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Marble, White, Uthoff have had sniffs at the NBA, either playing, or at least being drafted. Jok may get a chance, too. Four years ago, they were all on the same team, although Jok and Uthoff had yet to contribute at a high level. A return to the NCAA tourney and a loss in Dayton resulted.

The Hawkeye team with the most NBA players had 7: Armstrong, Marble (Sr.), Lohaus, Gamble, Jones, Horton, and Jepsen. They made the Elite 8 in 87.

The current team is deep with lots of competition for playing time.. How many could at least sniff the NBA?

Possibilities: Moss, Cook? Anyone else?
 
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Marble, White, Uthoff have had sniffs at the NBA, either playing, or at least being drafted. Jok may get a chance, too. Four years ago, they were all on the same team, although Jok and Uthoff had yet to contribute at a high level. A return to the NCAA tourney and a loss in Dayton resulted.

The Hawkeye team with the most NBA players had 7: Armstrong, Marble (Sr.), Lohaus, Gamble, Jones, Horton, and Jepsen. They made the Elite 8 in 87.

The current team is deep with lots of competition for playing time.. How many could at least sniff the NBA?

Possibilities: Moss, Cook? Anyone else?
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Making a roster in the NBA is extremely, exceedingly difficult. You can be a really outstanding player and not make it in the NBA (see Aaron White as an example).

I would say it's more likely than not that any current Hawkeye plays in the NBA. In no particular order, I'd give Cook and Nunge a shot. Nunge because 6-10 to 6-11 guys who can dribble, shoot and pass have a chance. Cook has a shot if he can show he can play away from the basket, rebound and defend. No knock on any current player if they don't make it, the NBA is by far the hardest league to break into from college.
 
HawkAttackDial911 said:
Just Nunge. Cook is a tweener who can't defend or shoot particularly well.
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Of course we have very little to go on at this point, but I wouldn't rule out Garza either. I mean Woody's been hanging around the D league for a couple of years as a short armed defender with limited offensive skills. If Garza can hold his own on defense, he seems capable of scoring from inside or out, and he's just a few weeks out of high school. May still be growing as well. Seven footers with length who can score are in demand. Sounds like he has the bloodline as well to be a high level player. He and Nunge would be my highest picks right now. We'll see how their games translate once we get into the meat of the BIG schedule.
 
Without any obvious NBA caliber players, is it realistic to hope for a run at a Conference Championship, or deep NCAA run?

Is the quality of the team as a whole more important than its parts, or is having at least one NBA lock almost a necessity for contending for championships?
 
As far as conference championships, there was only 3 1st rounders taken this year from the b10, and 1 of them was DJ Wilson who didnt even make 3rd team all conference.

You might need a couple nba guys to make the final 4 most years but the big ten championship is attainable with out it.

Iowa may not have any obvious guys right now but we have a bunch of guys who could end up close. And when you have a bunch of guys like that together you can win allot of games.

We'll have a much better idea at the end of next season.

I would say at this point you atleast cannot write off Moss, Cook, Nunge, Garza and even Kriener if he develops into a really good 3pt shooter.
 
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87alum87 said:
Without any obvious NBA caliber players, is it realistic to hope for a run at a Conference Championship, or deep NCAA run?

Is the quality of the team as a whole more important than its parts, or is having at least one NBA lock almost a necessity for contending for championships?
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I don't follow NBA but I don't think Nova had much for big time NBA prospects outside of Josh Hart. Their formula, like Wisconsin, is loading up on 4 year, 4 star guys. Those that may not be NBA players but are still really good and will stay and develop.
 
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If you look at any NBA roster you typically will see only one first year player. Players are playing longer so if players don't retire, there are not a lot of job openings.

There are only 30 teams, and only 1st round draft picks get guaranteed money. Heck, Tyus Jones, a national champion PG from Duke, was a 1st round pick for the TImberwolves and he has struggled in getting any playing time. Over the last 2 seasons, he has appeared in only 97 of the 162 possible games. Nevertheless, per ESPN, his 2017 salary was $1,339,680 and he has 3 years remaining.

Kris Dunn was the MN Timberwolves only first year player last season (#5 overall pick!!!) and he was recently traded to Chicago! Per ESPN, his 2017 salary was $3,872,520 and he has 4 years remaining.

If you get picked in the 2nd round, your chances of making a squad (and sticking with a squad) are slim. Dramond Green of the Warriors is one of the exceptions.
 
Franisdaman said:
If you look at any NBA roster you typically will see only one first year player. Players are playing longer so if players don't retire, there are not a lot of job openings.

There are only 30 teams, and only 1st round draft picks get guaranteed money. Heck, Tyus Jones, a national champion PG from Duke, was a 1st round pick for the TImberwolves and he has struggled in getting any playing time. Over the last 2 seasons, he has appeared in only 97 of the 162 possible games. Nevertheless, per ESPN, his 2017 salary was $1,339,680 and he has 3 years remaining.

Kris Dunn was the MN Timberwolves only first year player last season (#5 overall pick!!!) and he was recently traded to Chicago! Per ESPN, his 2017 salary was $3,872,520 and he has 4 years remaining.

If you get picked in the 2nd round, your chances of making a squad (and sticking with a squad) are slim. Dramond Green of the Warriors is one of the exceptions.
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Brogdon of the Bucks was rookie of the year and a second round choice.
 
I think Nunge is the only one that has a chance to fit in the NBA. Cook would have to develop a consistent jumper to get much notice from the NBA. Someone else would really have to blossom to have much of a chance, IMO.

But, this doesn't mean that the Hawks can't be an outstanding BB team.
 
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Strength of the team is the quality of the depth. Everyone on the team can contribute. Next year, we will have a much better read on whether some of the guys have NBA potential.
 
Hawk_4shur said:
I think Nunge is the only one that has a chance to fit in the NBA. Cook would have to develop a consistent jumper to get much notice from the NBA. Someone else would really have to blossom to have much of a chance, IMO.

But, this doesn't mean that the Hawks can't be an outstanding BB team.
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Just as a question, why would you discount Garza's chances at this point, given he hasn't played a single game in college?
 
I think Kriener could be NBA worthy. I thought our defense inside was much better when he was in the game. Also, he can shoot from outside. Isn't that what NBA forwards do now?
 
part of the reason the NBA is so tough to crack for NCAA players is the large volume of foreign players in the league. There are 82 games in a season. Last season, only 29 rookies played more than 820 total minutes (10 per game) in the NBA. 8 of them were foreign players and several were older former NCAA players just now cracking the league with rookie eligibility. So that's like 15 or 20 NCAA players that got drafted last year that actually played reasonable minutes.

And that's out of 351 (or whatever number) D1 teams including like 60+ from major conferences. You basically need to be an All American level talent to even sniff PT in the NBA. Now some of those kids getting PT weren't All Americans in college, but they tend to be either late bloomers with sky high potential or kids with skill sets that fit better in the NBA than college.
 
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Marble, White, Uthoff have had sniffs at the NBA, either playing, or at least being drafted. Jok may get a chance, too. Four years ago, they were all on the same team, although Jok and Uthoff had yet to contribute at a high level. A return to the NCAA tourney and a loss in Dayton resulted.

The Hawkeye team with the most NBA players had 7: Armstrong, Marble (Sr.), Lohaus, Gamble, Jones, Horton, and Jepsen. They made the Elite 8 in 87.

The current team is deep with lots of competition for playing time.. How many could at least sniff the NBA?

Possibilities: Moss, Cook? Anyone else?
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Jeff Moe was drafted by Utah and I believe Gerry Wright was also drafted
 
HawkAttackDial911 said:
Just Nunge. Cook is a tweener who can't defend or shoot particularly well.
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I'll agree on Cook's D needs work but I wouldn't be surprised to see shoot more outside of the lane next year. His shot isn't that bad but people forget he broke a finger on his shooting hand and couldn't shoot for weeks during the season. Look at Seton Hall game before he hurt it and pre season tourney taking lot more shots outside than later in the year. I just hope he improves FTs and D as you stated.
 
Hawk_4shur said:
I think Nunge is the only one that has a chance to fit in the NBA. Cook would have to develop a consistent jumper to get much notice from the NBA. Someone else would really have to blossom to have much of a chance, IMO.

But, this doesn't mean that the Hawks can't be an outstanding BB team.
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If Cook wants to make it he needs to become Reggie Evans on the boards and on defense. He has some offensive capability and will be fine there but effort is what's going to get him paid
 
With the NBA D league most kids are evaluated between the ages of 23-25. That's when they are fully mature. Only the select are drafted in the first round. For everyone else it's a much longer process and evaluation to make the league.
 
blockm2 said:
part of the reason the NBA is so tough to crack for NCAA players is the large volume of foreign players in the league. There are 82 games in a season. Last season, only 29 rookies played more than 820 total minutes (10 per game) in the NBA. 8 of them were foreign players and several were older former NCAA players just now cracking the league with rookie eligibility. So that's like 15 or 20 NCAA players that got drafted last year that actually played reasonable minutes.

And that's out of 351 (or whatever number) D1 teams including like 60+ from major conferences. You basically need to be an All American level talent to even sniff PT in the NBA. Now some of those kids getting PT weren't All Americans in college, but they tend to be either late bloomers with sky high potential or kids with skill sets that fit better in the NBA than college.
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Thanks for the context. Making it in the NBA is exceedingly difficult. More so than the other sports.
 
Iowamavs14 said:
With the NBA D league most kids are evaluated between the ages of 23-25. That's when they are fully mature. Only the select are drafted in the first round. For everyone else it's a much longer process and evaluation to make the league.
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Very few guys from the D league have prolonged NBA careers. Its a long shot trying to hang onto their dream. There's just so little turnover in the league, that even the guys drafted after the first half of round one aren't shoe ins to even make a team, let alone D league guys.
 
terrehawk said:
If Cook wants to make it he needs to become Reggie Evans on the boards and on defense. He has some offensive capability and will be fine there but effort is what's going to get him paid
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Hes never going to rebound like Reggie Evans. Thats like saying someone who needs to improve their shot needs to become Steph Curry.

Yes his defense and rebounding need to improve dramatically but his offensive game needs to expand considerably as well.
 
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Hes never going to rebound like Reggie Evans. Thats like saying someone who needs to improve their shot needs to become Steph Curry.

Yes his defense and rebounding need to improve dramatically but his offensive game needs to expand considerably as well.
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Guys like Reggie or Dennis Rodman don't come around very often. Or Steph Curry for that matter!
 
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blockm2 hit the nail on the head. This is a much different NBA than the late 1980s. There wasn't a strong influx of foreign players getting drafted and coming into the League back then like there has been over the last 10-15 years. Plus, there wasn't a long list of one-and-done type players back then, either. Look at the Draft class of 1989 when BJ, Marble, and Horton were drafted. There was one foreign player taken in the 1st Round (Vlade Divac) and only one in the 2nd, the rest were American kids who were upperclassmen in college, most of whom were seniors.

So, I think it's fair to say the issue isn't that guys like Roy Marble Jr., Aaron White, Jarrod Uthoff, and Peter Jok are that much less talented than past Hawkeyes from the early Tom Davis years (although BJ Armstrong had a nice NBA career and made the All Star team in 1994), they are just playing in a much different era where the window of opportunity is much narrower than it was in 1989.

I think there are a lot of good players on Iowa's current roster (and some who are coming in to the program in the next couple years) who are very talented and will be very good college basketball players. The likelihood, though, of any of them getting drafted and making an actual roster is very slim. Still, for fun, I will offer my odds of which current Hawkeye players could get drafted and land in the NBA. My Scale is: Good chance, Possible, Slim,

Jack Nunge: Good Chance. Will be a little taller than Uthoff and seems to have unlimited potential as a scorer. Assuming he develops as expected, with his length and scoring ability, he has the best chance of any current Hawkeye on the roster.

Tyler Cook: Possible. He's athletic and can jump out of the gym. If he develops a respectable mid-range game and focuses on being a lock down defender he has a shot. The key for him will be how committed he is to defense. If he is content to be a mediocre defender, he has no shot. As others have pointed out, he's too much of a tweener.

Luka Garza: Possible. Good size, good footwork, and seems very fundamentally sound. I think he's a little more athletic than people give him credit for (from highlights I've seen at least). If he shows an ability to consistently hit an outside shot I could see a team giving him a chance to make a roster.

Isaiah Moss: Slim. Would have to develop Pete Jok-like shooting from 3. Otherwise he has no shot. I like the flashes he showed during the season of being able to drive and finish at the rim.

The best thing about all of this is Iowa has a lot of talented basketball players on their roster who should all be around for their senior years.
 
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The draft at that time had 6 or 7 rounds. In the 2-round draft of today, not that many members of that team would have been drafted.
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Jeff Moe was drafted in 1988 by Utah in the 2nd Round with the 42nd pick.

The draft was reduced to 3 rounds that year.
 
RocknRollface said:
Hes never going to rebound like Reggie Evans. Thats like saying someone who needs to improve their shot needs to become Steph Curry.

Yes his defense and rebounding need to improve dramatically but his offensive game needs to expand considerably as well.
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Uh, you don't think Cook is as athletic as Reggie Evans?

Rebounding, assuming similar size and athleticism, is mostly effort. Period.

Comparing Steph Curry shooting 2 rebounding is asinine. That might be one of the dumbest things I've seen on here for a while
 
terrehawk said:
Rebounding, assuming similar size and athleticism, is mostly effort. Period.
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This is exactly right.

If Cook wants a legitimate shot at the League, he has to understand this and make a concerted effort to being the best defender/rebounder in the B1G. It's a choice he will make one way or the other.
 
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Guys like Reggie or Dennis Rodman don't come around very often. Or Steph Curry for that matter!
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Exactly. If Cook could rebound like an average big ten starting 4 it would be a big step up, I dont think its realistic to bring up one of the best rebounders per minute to ever play.
 
terrehawk said:
Uh, you don't think Cook is as athletic as Reggie Evans?

Rebounding, assuming similar size and athleticism, is mostly effort. Period.

Comparing Steph Curry shooting 2 rebounding is asinine. That might be one of the dumbest things I've seen on here for a while
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Rebounding at that level, Reggie, or Rodman, takes a single minded resolve that every missed shot will be corralled by them, almost at the exclusion of any other part of their game. As I said, guys like that don't come along very often. Cook may end up being a great player, and certainly has the physical attributes. We'll see what he's got over the next couple of years. Would love for him to play at the level Reggie did as a senior.
 
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Uh, you don't think Cook is as athletic as Reggie Evans?

Rebounding, assuming similar size and athleticism, is mostly effort. Period.

Comparing Steph Curry shooting 2 rebounding is asinine. That might be one of the dumbest things I've seen on here for a while
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Your pitiful grasp of the english language and how to interpert its meanings is the worst thing ive had the displeasure of being subjected to on here in a while.

The point was when you're not good at something you dont then expect to be the best in the world at it next season.

Rebounding is not at all just effeort. If it was just effort way more people would be able to put up similar stats. If it could be taught, it would be taught.

Dont you think guys in Europe or the D leauge would just try really hard so they could make the nba and become a millionaire?

There's technique, strength, timing, and by far the biggest is instinct....as well as effort.

No matter how hard Tyler Cook or 99% of other players try they will never approach Evans as a rebounder let alone Rodman.

The proof is the fact that despite decades worth of players it just doesnt happen.
 
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Terra

I do apologize if youre only like 8 years old, then its understandable that you have a grade school reading comprehension level.
 
RocknRollface said:
Your pitiful grasp of the english language and how to interpert its meanings is the worst thing ive had the displeasure of being subjected to on here in a while.

The point was when you're not good at something you dont then expect to be the best in the world at it next season.

Rebounding is not at all just effeort. If it was just effort way more people would be able to put up similar stats. If it could be taught, it would be taught.

Dont you think guys in Europe or the D leauge would just try really hard so they could make the nba and become a millionaire?

There's technique, strength and by far the biggest is instinct....as well as effort.

No matter how hard Tyler Cook or 99% of other players try they will never approach Evans as a rebounder let alone Rodman.

The proof is the fact that despite decades worth of players it just doesnt happen.
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LOL. Better try again with the English language, sport. JFC.
 
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rebounding is obviously a good part effort, but for the elite ones it's a skill that you can't really teach IMHO. They simply recognize where the ball is going to come off the rim before everyone else and fight for that specific position. Obviously they aren't right all the time, but they are right more than the other players on the court.

It's not enough to see a ball leave a guys hand and see it will come up short, you gotta figure out if it's so short it will come back off the front of the rim towards the shooter or if it will land flat on the rim and carom to the weak side. The great ones get those little adjustments right more often and I kinda doubt you can teach what they do.
 
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Hawk_4shur said:
I think Nunge is the only one that has a chance to fit in the NBA. Cook would have to develop a consistent jumper to get much notice from the NBA. Someone else would really have to blossom to have much of a chance, IMO.

But, this doesn't mean that the Hawks can't be an outstanding BB team.
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Are you basing this off of summer league games?
 
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