NCAA and NIL

Did the NCAA punt on NIL and cause the current issues?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 60.6%
  • No

    Votes: 7 9.9%
  • NCAA is corrupt.

    Votes: 21 29.6%

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BrunoMars420

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How is this greedy? The players can still make NIL money. I think the larger schools with donors with deep pockets will balk, but this would be beneficial for most schools in that it may reduce some of the tampering we are seeing now. It may not help, but was just an idea.
Because you are making a young adult sign a contract and taking away their freedom of choice to make more money elsewhere. Sounds like the university wants to keep this money maker for themselves
 

SoDakHawk

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Colleges don't need to play this game anymore. The entire purpose of school is to educate students. Simply enforce admissions and eligibility requirements. Those that transfer all over the place can't be progressing very well towards a degree. A normal student can't transfer that many times without losing credits or not meeting the graduation requirements of the school. Simply enforce the education side of the equation. "hey, you can transfer but you won't be eligible to play." Don't like it, welcome to the D-League or the USFL.
 

BrunoMars420

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Colleges don't need to play this game anymore. The entire purpose of school is to educate students. Simply enforce admissions and eligibility requirements. Those that transfer all over the place can't be progressing very well towards a degree. A normal student can't transfer that many times without losing credits or not meeting the graduation requirements of the school. Simply enforce the education side of the equation. "hey, you can transfer but you won't be eligible to play." Don't like it, welcome to the D-League or the USFL.
But the colleges need these athletes if they want that $$$$ with these media deals.
 

SoDakHawk

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But the colleges need these athletes if they want that $$$$ with these media deals.
No, they don't. Most college fans root for the school, not the player. If the NCAA laid down some academic rules nationwide with strict enforcement, yes, the quality of play would drop, however, the competitive nature of the competitions would stay the same. I could argue the playing field would be more even. Fans would still follow their college teams in droves.
 

Frosty7130

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No, they don't. Most college fans root for the school, not the player. If the NCAA laid down some academic rules nationwide with strict enforcement, yes, the quality of play would drop, however, the competitive nature of the competitions would stay the same. I could argue the playing field would be more even. Fans would still follow their college teams in droves.
This is something not a lot of people seem to understand.

What makes more money? The name on the front of the jersey, or the back? The very nature of college athletics, with the name on the back changing every 4 years (or less), proves that it's the latter.
 

mikesright

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University of Illinois was looking at adding a men's ice hockey program but had to scrap the idea because they are running a $300 million deficit in their athletic department. Contrary to what people believe these ADs don't have as much money as you think.

The NCAA requires D1 schools to offer 7 sports for men and 7 for women or 6 men/8 women. At most schools, only the football and men's basketball programs make any money (baseball, hockey, and wrestling do at some as well), so there are 12 other sports that lose money that the AD has to pay for. Not only that, Title 9 says that the school has to offer those revenue losing women's sports equitable support, meaning coaches, facilities, etc. It costs a ton of money to pay for these sports, their scholarships, coaches, facilities, travel, etc.

You think the football and basketball players aren't getting their fair share, point your ire at Title 9.
Illinois doesn't have a $300 million deficit - they are (over) $300 million in debt and its largely because they decided to do a bunch of fancy facilities upgrades while no revenue was coming in from fans watching the games. On top of doing stupid stuff like firing a bunch of football and men's basketball coaches. They finally got into financial trouble after covid hit and took some TV money away.

They're the worst managed athletic department in the B1G by a lot and they're still rich. The real reason they don't do hockey is that it isn't a revenue producing sport for the schools that play it, and its not a good idea to divert resources to create that sport if you are as dogshit as they are at their real meal ticket - football.

Also, these schools can make themselves look as poor or as rich as they want, but the incentives are all on the side of looking like they spend all of the revenue. For the past few decades, they've poured cash into facilities and coaches to make themselves look poor. They give massive subsidies back to the school in the form of direct cash and scholarships paid back to the university at full MSRP. They give massive contracts to coaches in non-revenue sports...all in an effort to look poor.

If you want an example of a poor AD - look at UNI. They make less than $20 million, and a large portion of that comes from that school's general fund and athletic fees charged to students. They still manage a pretty healthy D1 department with nice facilities.

In 2023 Iowa is set to get a conference distribution in excess of $100 million dollars alone. Iowa will be alright figuring out a way to divert revenue to pay players in the revenue sports, even if it costs them every single dollar in donations and ticket revenue.
 

mooresville hawk

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Because you are making a young adult sign a contract and taking away their freedom of choice to make more money elsewhere. Sounds like the university wants to keep this money maker for themselves

Again, how is this different than what they will have to do if they make the NFL or NBA? They would have to sign contracts with agents if they were actors or musicians. Also, no one is forcing them to sign a particular contract. They can choose the best school and deal for them.
 

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Illinois doesn't have a $300 million deficit - they are (over) $300 million in debt and its largely because they decided to do a bunch of fancy facilities upgrades while no revenue was coming in from fans watching the games. On top of doing stupid stuff like firing a bunch of football and men's basketball coaches. They finally got into financial trouble after covid hit and took some TV money away.

They're the worst managed athletic department in the B1G by a lot and they're still rich. The real reason they don't do hockey is that it isn't a revenue producing sport for the schools that play it, and its not a good idea to divert resources to create that sport if you are as dogshit as they are at their real meal ticket - football.

Also, these schools can make themselves look as poor or as rich as they want, but the incentives are all on the side of looking like they spend all of the revenue. For the past few decades, they've poured cash into facilities and coaches to make themselves look poor. They give massive subsidies back to the school in the form of direct cash and scholarships paid back to the university at full MSRP. They give massive contracts to coaches in non-revenue sports...all in an effort to look poor.

If you want an example of a poor AD - look at UNI. They make less than $20 million, and a large portion of that comes from that school's general fund and athletic fees charged to students. They still manage a pretty healthy D1 department with nice facilities.

In 2023 Iowa is set to get a conference distribution in excess of $100 million dollars alone. Iowa will be alright figuring out a way to divert revenue to pay players in the revenue sports, even if it costs them every single dollar in donations and ticket revenue.
If they pay 'em, they'll be employees. Then an argument can be made that title IX no longer applies to football players....bye bye women's sports.
 

obfuscating

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Since the players are getting paid which they deserve. They need to implement salary caps to keep the Yankees from buying championships. No manipulation of it either. You get $5 million per class and pay it out accordingly. So a class of 25 would be average of $200k per player. There has to to be some rules to this chaos.
Do you deduct the scholarship and all the perks that come along with it? What if said player quits, or transfers? Do they then have to be "bought" out by the accepting team or will the student have to pay the money back? Contract has to state something about a "non-compete" clause or such. Again, this will end up being the semi-pro and everyone else divisions. No more "student" in equation for your top 15 NIL teams.
 
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Do you deduct the scholarship and all the perks that come along with it? What if said player quits, or transfers? Do they then have to be "bought" out by the accepting team or will the student have to pay the money back? Contract has to state something about a "non-compete" clause or such. Again, this will end up being the semi-pro and everyone else divisions. No more "student" in equation for your top 15 NIL teams.
Let's make it top 16, 24, or 32 NIL Teams. It makes for an easier end-of-the-season bracket.
 
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obfuscating

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University of Illinois was looking at adding a men's ice hockey program but had to scrap the idea because they are running a $300 million deficit in their athletic department. Contrary to what people believe these ADs don't have as much money as you think.

The NCAA requires D1 schools to offer 7 sports for men and 7 for women or 6 men/8 women. At most schools, only the football and men's basketball programs make any money (baseball, hockey, and wrestling do at some as well), so there are 12 other sports that lose money that the AD has to pay for. Not only that, Title 9 says that the school has to offer those revenue losing women's sports equitable support, meaning coaches, facilities, etc. It costs a ton of money to pay for these sports, their scholarships, coaches, facilities, travel, etc.

You think the football and basketball players aren't getting their fair share, point your ire at Title 9.
Ah but men are women now.
 

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My question is will NIL money become a distraction for players? Lots of money, alcohol, girls, and other distractions. What might be the impact? What about those players not making a ton of money?
 

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My question is will NIL money become a distraction for players? Lots of money, alcohol, girls, and other distractions. What might be the impact? What about those players not making a ton of money?
It’ll lead to locker room issues at some schools.
 
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My question is will NIL money become a distraction for players? Lots of money, alcohol, girls, and other distractions. What might be the impact? What about those players not making a ton of money?
It IS a distraction. Again, the NCAA has enabled this and is behind the 8 ball now. If NIL stays, you will have 20 teams that just reap from it and those teams should no longer be a part of the system. Separate them out, they can play each other for whatever title they want to play for. The remaining 110 teams can play for a NC like D1AA does (the proper way) and may even need to form their own board (with no ties to the NCAA).
 

BrunoMars420

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It IS a distraction. Again, the NCAA has enabled this and is behind the 8 ball now. If NIL stays, you will have 20 teams that just reap from it and those teams should no longer be a part of the system. Separate them out, they can play each other for whatever title they want to play for. The remaining 110 teams can play for a NC like D1AA does (the proper way) and may even need to form their own board (with no ties to the NCAA).
Sounds like a horrible idea. You are obviously not taking into account the massive TV contracts that these universities get due to people like us watching these athletes. Big ten is about to get a billion dollars on their next deal. A billlllllion dollars and you are worried about athletes getting thousands and sometimes a million or so?

 

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Sounds like a horrible idea. You are obviously not taking into account the massive TV contracts that these universities get due to people like us watching these athletes. Big ten is about to get a billion dollars on their next deal. A billlllllion dollars and you are worried about athletes getting thousands and sometimes a million or so?


Grumpy old man is still angry that someone gonna be making more money than he is!
 
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Sounds like a horrible idea. You are obviously not taking into account the massive TV contracts that these universities get due to people like us watching these athletes. Big ten is about to get a billion dollars on their next deal. A billlllllion dollars and you are worried about athletes getting thousands and sometimes a million or so?

Can still have the TV deals (as you stated, it is a BIG10 deal, not a NCAA deal), just will be a more level playing field.
 
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You said they should split off the top 20 teams. You think networks would want a big ten contract without a OSU or Michigan or shit any conference without the top teams? Lol
Then what do you propose, you seem to have retorts but no solutions. Please, enlighten us.
 

BrunoMars420

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Then what do you propose, you seem to have retorts but no solutions. Please, enlighten us.
The court ruling in favor of the athletes was the solution. I #stand with Justice Kavanaugh

My solution for you old farts is to embrace the change and stop whining about it. Anything the NCAA or universities try to do will just get shut down in court. Time to accept it and stop being little pansies
 

Frosty7130

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Sounds like a horrible idea. You are obviously not taking into account the massive TV contracts that these universities get due to people like us watching these athletes. Big ten is about to get a billion dollars on their next deal. A billlllllion dollars and you are worried about athletes getting thousands and sometimes a million or so?

Grumpy old man is still angry that someone gonna be making more money than he is!
This completely misses the point that these schools are turning that money around and investing it directly into athletics. As these numbers show, few schools are actually making a net gain off of athletics, and those that do are making peanuts, proportionally speaking.

They're not pocketing it or making profit hand over fist like you insinuate.
 
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BrunoMars420

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This completely misses the point that these schools are turning that money around and investing it directly into athletics. As these numbers show, few schools are actually making a net gain off of athletics, and those that do are making peanuts, proportionally speaking.

They're not pocketing it or making profit hand over fist like you insinuate.
I could care less about the NCAA as a whole. They are a shit organization and hopefully the NIL is the death of them. The P5 conferences should just jump ship and tell the ncaa to kick rocks

For the big ten, what amount do we get now from the TV contacts and what is the estimated new TV contract? Will that shore up any shortfalls within the big ten in terms of athletics?
 

Frosty7130

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I could care less about the NCAA as a whole. They are a shit organization and hopefully the NIL is the death of them. The P5 conferences should just jump ship and tell the ncaa to kick rocks

For the big ten, what amount do we get now from the TV contacts and what is the estimated new TV contract? Will that shore up any shortfalls within the big ten in terms of athletics?
No, it won't, because if you read the information on that link, it's not talking about the NCAA as a whole, it's talking about how each school uses their money.

TV contracts have existed for decades now, and still schools operate in the red. The most recent contract will be no different.
 
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BrunoMars420

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No, it won't, because if you read the information on that link, it's not talking about the NCAA as a whole, it's talking about how each school uses their money.

TV contracts have existed for decades now, and still schools operate in the red. The most recent contract will be no different.
So shouldn’t these schools learn to live within their means?
 

BrunoMars420

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Possibly, but that's not what we were talking about. As usual, you're more concerned with snappy remarks than the actual conversation.

These schools "living within their means" would mean the student athletes being stripped of the many benefits they currently get.
How is stating the obvious a snappy remark? These universities as a whole need to live within their means and not just athletically.