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NCAA considering allowing 5 years of eligibility for players in all sports

Seems like it would make it a harder to be a college athlete if the team has people spread over 5 years, not 4. (Not all sports use redshirts liberally.)

And the record books will all be re-written.
 
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Seems like it would make it a harder to be a college athlete if the team has people spread over 5 years, not 4. (Not all sports use redshirts liberally.)

And the record books will all be re-written.
Record books will certainly be rewritten, but they already are in other sports as they change, too. Anything on medical redshirts? I think they are beneficial, but that turns 5 into possibly 6 years. Add in a ORS year and that's 7 years and we all know how we feel about guys in college for 7 years.....

I think I would be fine saying you've got 5 years to put your time in, no matter what happens.
 
Record books will certainly be rewritten, but they already are in other sports as they change, too. Anything on medical redshirts? I think they are beneficial, but that turns 5 into possibly 6 years. Add in a ORS year and that's 7 years and we all know how we feel about guys in college for 7 years.....

I think I would be fine saying you've got 5 years to put your time in, no matter what happens.
I agree, get rid of ORS, RS, and medical RS. You have 5 years of eligibility. Use them however you please, but 5 years is it. Want to skip a year for the Olympics, you still have 4 years left. Get hurt and miss a year, you still have 4 years left. No more unattached/attached dates, just always wrestle attached in opens. Seems way too simple for the NCAA to ever implement though. The current system is much easier and less complicated :rolleyes:
 
the POS ncaa is a complete joke!!! Why have ANY rules, basically where we are right now anyway. Why 5 years??? Why not 6, 7 , 8 etc...... With redshirt, late enrollment, gray shirt, Med shirt, O- shirt , a College kid could easily be closer to 30 then 20 by the time they are done!!!

The NCAA finally took the movie "Van Wilder" to heart.
 
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27 years old wrestle
28 years old wrestle
29 years old Olympic red shirt
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Ranked preference for me:

4 to play 4 - will suck for guys who get injured, but its not mean to be a career)
5 to play 4 - gives the athlete a mulligan for any reason - traditional redshirt for kids who aren't ready, medical for those who miss out on championship season, or Olympics
5 to play 5 - this is dumb. no reason kids need 5 years of eligibility, and they should retroactively eliminate the ability to be a 5 time AA.

Anything more is even dumber, including the s#!tshow we have now.
 
On the ORS, it gets a little uneven for the rare best that could conceivably be in the race to represent in two cycles (Year 1 & Year 5).
 
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20 years old juco
21 years old juco
22 years old red shirt
23 years old wrestle
24 years old Olympic red shirt
25 years old torn acl medical red shirt
26 years old wrestle
27 years old wrestle
28 years old wrestle
29 years old Olympic red shirt
30 years old wrestle
Throw in a 2 year Mormon mission also!
 
And the record books will all be re-written.

It used to only be 3 years. The world didn’t end when it went to 4. Nor will it when it goes to 5.


On the ORS, it gets a little uneven for the rare best that could conceivably be in the race to represent in two cycles (Year 1 & Year 5).

Life is about choices. It is hardly required that one take a year off from college to prepare. Plus how many true freshman have a realistic shot at the Olympics?
 
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Hopefully this doesn’t happen. Would rather see a wrestler I enjoy watching and lost the year due to injury compete the next year than go off and be an insurance salesman. Covid year was just terribly executed and made a lot of the examples you see worse
 
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Hopefully this doesn’t happen. Would rather see a wrestler I enjoy watching and lost the year due to injury compete the next year than go off and be an insurance salesman. Covid year was just terribly executed and made a lot of the examples you see worse

But he’d already have competed 4 years under this rule.

This would make penn state absolutely unstoppable every year

As opposed to now? 😂
 
It used to only be 3 years. The world didn’t end when it went to 4. Nor will it when it goes to 5.




Life is about choices. It is hardly required that one take a year off from college to prepare. Plus how many true freshman have a realistic shot at the Olympics?
I don’t agree with your premise on not taking a year off from college to prepare for the Olympics. If in fact, this is what you meant by “hardly required.”
We have heard many wrestlers say going to school and wrestling is a grind and once the schooling is over, it’s a relief and allows you to focus on just wrestling.
 
I don’t agree with your premise on not taking a year off from college to prepare for the Olympics. If in fact, this is what you meant by “hardly required.”
We have heard many wrestlers say going to school and wrestling is a grind and once the schooling is over, it’s a relief and allows you to focus on just wrestling.

No disagreement here. The point was just that it can be done without an ORS.

Here’s a question: who was the last guy to make Team USA after being on an Olympic redshirt?
 
the POS ncaa is a complete joke!!! Why have ANY rules, basically where we are right now anyway. Why 5 years??? Why not 6, 7 , 8 etc...... With redshirt, late enrollment, gray shirt, Med shirt, O- shirt , a College kid could easily be closer to 30 then 20 by the time they are done!!!
Maybe because most kids take five years to get a degree these days. 40+ years ago my friends and myself all graduated with four years. Now it seems it's kind of uncommon.

As for the NCAA? They're pretty much powerless these days.
 
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This would make penn state absolutely unstoppable every year
I don't think so, I think it's due to Sanderson and a coaching staff he has put together along with the recent success.

But five years of eligibility? On one hand I can see it allowing people to stock pile wrestlers, on the other hand maybe people want to go to a school where they're going to get more time on the mat ?
 
Record books will certainly be rewritten, but they already are in other sports as they change, too. Anything on medical redshirts? I think they are beneficial, but that turns 5 into possibly 6 years. Add in a ORS year and that's 7 years and we all know how we feel about guys in college for 7 years.....

I think I would be fine saying you've got 5 years to put your time in, no matter what happens.
Anyone who follows the history of the sport understands how records have changed over the years. People who don't understand history, well it won't matter for them anyway.

How many young people now even know that freshman were ineligible at some point in recent history?
 
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No disagreement here. The point was just that it can be done without an ORS.

Here’s a question: who was the last guy to make Team USA after being on an Olympic redshirt?
I kind of agree with you again here Spooner. Who says that everyone has to have everything? The kids have a chance to go to school and get an education, wrestle in college and/or try to make an olympic team. Make a choice as to which is most important and follow through on it.

Who says that a kid needs to have everything they want. Life is about choices. We have long ago forgotten the purpose of athletics and the importance of a college education.

Maybe they should make the ORS contingent upon making the team. The wrestling Olympic team is officially 3 guys at a weight. If the kid makes the top 3 spots he gets his ORS. If not, he loses the year. That would at least keep people honest.
 
I think most are in agreement that having 5 years to compete 4 is ok. It is everything else on top of the 1 red shirt year that is getting crazy!!! It was my understanding that the red shirt was used for injuries back when I went to school. I felt almost everyone who I knew, only used it for that purpose.

I get the idea of having a freshman redshirt because 95% or so could most likely benefit from it both sports wise and getting use to college. I believe with the exceptions of Military and possible Mormon missions( can they go after college?) it would be best to have the FIVE years to compete FOUR with a medical hardship year possible for major injuries.

There is just SOOOO many loopholes that would have to be overcome. deferred enrollment for example, the new JUCO rules etc.... So whilst my first post stating, "have NO rules" might sound like a joke!??!?!? It really isn't!!!!

You get 4 years(or maybe FIVE now????) to compete. use a year, skip a year, take a multi-year HIATUS to go on a "walkabout" WHATEVER!!!! AND- YES, Spencer Lee and EVERYONE else can also come back, why in hell not!?!?!? The POS ncaa is totally lost and it is now, from everything I see, a "semi-pro, pro, minor league" or how ever you want to define it????

If kids can make all this $$$ and basically make a career out of it, which seems like most are OK with??? Then why are many kids cut off or cut out of having the same ability to benefit?

How about Gable Stevenson for example? He went, Pro wrestlin, pro-football, now back. So why couldn't a Football player who say has a great year and he decides to enter the nfl draft. He signs but does not do too well, why can't he also come back and play football in the ncaa????

Point is, you created a shEEEt-show, might as well make it an ALL-OUT complete F-in mess!!! At least the young kids can have a chance to reap the rewards, and us dumb ass fans can sit back, scratch our heads and/or asses, take a sip of brew, and either enjoy it or BITCH about it!?!?!? It is the wild WILD west of college sports!!!
 
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I think most are in agreement that having 5 years to compete 4 is ok. It is everything else on top of the 1 red shirt year that is getting crazy!!! It was my understanding that the red shirt was used for injuries back when I went to school. I felt almost everyone who I knew, only used it for that purpose.

I get the idea of having a freshman redshirt because 95% or so could most likely benefit from it both sports wise and getting use to college. I believe with the exceptions of Military and possible Mormon missions( can they go after college?) it would be best to have the FIVE years to compete FOUR with a medical hardship year possible for major injuries.

There is just SOOOO many loopholes that would have to be overcome. deferred enrollment for example, the new JUCO rules etc.... So whilst my first post stating, "have NO rules" might sound like a joke!??!?!? It really isn't!!!!

You get 4 years(or maybe FIVE now????) to compete. use a year, skip a year, take a multi-year HIATUS to go on a "walkabout" WHATEVER!!!! AND- YES, Spencer Lee and EVERYONE else can also come back, why in hell not!?!?!? The POS ncaa is totally lost and it is now, from everything I see, a "semi-pro, pro, minor league" or how ever you want to define it????

If kids can make all this $$$ and basically make a career out of it, which seems like most are OK with??? Then why are many kids cut off or cut out of having the same ability to benefit?

How about Gable Stevenson for example? He went, Pro wrestlin, pro-football, now back. So why couldn't a Football player who say has a great year and he decides to enter the nfl draft. He signs but does not do too well, why can't he also come back and play football in the ncaa????

Point is, you created a shEEEt-show, might as well make it an ALL-OUT complete F-in mess!!! At least the young kids can have a chance to reap the rewards, and us dumb ass fans can sit back, scratch our heads and/or asses, take a sip of brew, and either enjoy it or BITCH about it!?!?!? It is the wild WILD west of college sports!!!
It's not what you and I grew up with. My kid graduated from Lehigh in five years with a masters and engineering, he only competed one year as a varsity athlete, and that was rowing. It took up too much time so he focused on academics.

He had 25 credits of math and science from AP testing so he was done in five. My daughter was done with her degree in finance in four years, but many kids don't get it done in four years these days. What we think doesn't really matter anymore.
 
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