NCAA DI Wrestling

[ih8iast8]

Some have been arguing that the "Iowa Style" is dead, & I think there is a lot of merit to that argument. But I think one point is being ignored, & is rearing it's ugly head this year at NCAA with all the unpredictability we are seeing.

In 1987 there were 121 DI schools supporting Wrestling, & 3500 athletes participating.

In 2000 there were 90 DI schools with Wrestling teams, 2754 athletes participating.

In 2013 there were only 77 schools supporting Wrestling & only 2500 athletes participating.

That means that teams other than Iowa have gotten deeper, & wrestling talent has become more spread out. That is not an excuse for our inactivity but I think it is a reasonable explanation why we can't just blow through NCAA's like we did 20 years ago, regardless of how we wrestle.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/PR2014.pdf

 

[LutherAce]

there are 76 schools in 2015.

 

[ISUChip]

Originally posted by LutherAce:
there are 76 schools in 2015.

Of those 76...

69 schools qualified wrestlers
32 schools have at least 1 AA
16 schools have at least 1 finalist

It seems like those AA and finalist numbers are higher than usual, but I don't have the hard data handy to prove/disprove my assumption.

 

[HawkTitan]

2014: 38 schools with AA, 14 with finalist
2013: 32 schools with AA, 13 with finalist
2012: 32 schools with AA, 10 with finalist

 

[bman546]

"That means that teams other than Iowa have gotten deeper, & wrestling talent has become more spread out."

I fail to see how the talent is "spread out" when going from 121 D1 schools down to 76 D1 schools. The decline in participating schools actually means talent may be more concentrated, therefore providing the added depth of talent to the fewer schools.
The Iowa style also has nothing to do with the numbers of schools competing. The end of dominant dynasties, perhaps, but the parity did not change the style or the effectiveness of it. The Iowa style is based on a mindset. Do you think Evans would score more if there were more schools with D1 wrestling? His style (it ain't the Iowa style) is his style (I also refer to Duane Goldman from 1983-1986). Even if parity is a factor, and so many more schools and wrestlers have upped their work ethic to Gable-esque levels, I still see, far too often, two wrestlers coasting to the end of a period, which even includes the 1 minute sv overtime. To clarify that last comment, I am referring to two wrestlers standing forehead to forehead holding each other's wrist as the last :10 of a period expires with neither wrestler attempting to set up angles or scoring. Too many wrestlers have become defensive, holding position, not taking risks etc.
We don't see the mindset in action anymore. It's that simple.
The Iowa style is best summed up by George Patton in his famous speech to the Third Army:

"I don't want any messages saying 'I'm holding my position. We're not holding a goddamned thing. We're advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding anything except the enemy's ba*ls. We're going to hold him by his ba*ls and we're going to kick him in the a**; twist his ba*ls and kick the living s**t out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We're going to go through the enemy like s**t through a tinhorn.

 

[86_90]

Originally posted by bman546:
"That means that teams other than Iowa have gotten deeper, & wrestling talent has become more spread out."

I fail to see how the talent is "spread out" when going from 121 D1 schools down to 76 D1 schools. The decline in participating schools actually means talent may be more concentrated, therefore providing the added depth of talent to the fewer schools.
The Iowa style also has nothing to do with the numbers of schools competing. The end of dominant dynasties, perhaps, but the parity did not change the style or the effectiveness of it. The Iowa style is based on a mindset. Do you think Evans would score more if there were more schools with D1 wrestling? His style (it ain't the Iowa style) is his style (I also refer to Duane Goldman from 1983-1986). Even if parity is a factor, and so many more schools and wrestlers have upped their work ethic to Gable-esque levels, I still see, far too often, two wrestlers coasting to the end of a period, which even includes the 1 minute sv overtime. To clarify that last comment, I am referring to two wrestlers standing forehead to forehead holding each other's wrist as the last :10 of a period expires with neither wrestler attempting to set up angles or scoring. Too many wrestlers have become defensive, holding position, not taking risks etc.
We don't see the mindset in action anymore. It's that simple.
The Iowa style is best summed up by George Patton in his famous speech to the Third Army:

"I don't want any messages saying 'I'm holding my position. We're not holding a goddamned thing. We're advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding anything except the enemy's ba*ls. We're going to hold him by his ba*ls and we're going to kick him in the a**; twist his ba*ls and kick the living s**t out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We're going to go through the enemy like s**t through a tinhorn.

I see this as a major issue, both with the wrestlers and the coaching staff. Risk aversion is a recipe for mediocrity.

 

[Gobblin]

Originally posted by 86_90:

Originally posted by bman546:
"That means that teams other than Iowa have gotten deeper, & wrestling talent has become more spread out."

I fail to see how the talent is "spread out" when going from 121 D1 schools down to 76 D1 schools. The decline in participating schools actually means talent may be more concentrated, therefore providing the added depth of talent to the fewer schools.
The Iowa style also has nothing to do with the numbers of schools competing. The end of dominant dynasties, perhaps, but the parity did not change the style or the effectiveness of it.  The Iowa style is based on a mindset.  Do you think Evans would score more if there were more schools with D1 wrestling?  His style (it ain't the Iowa style) is his style (I also refer to Duane Goldman from 1983-1986). Even if parity is a factor, and so many more schools and wrestlers have upped their work ethic to Gable-esque levels, I still see, far too often, two wrestlers coasting to the end of a period, which even includes the 1 minute sv overtime.  To clarify that last comment, I am referring to two wrestlers standing forehead to forehead holding each other's wrist as the last :10 of a period expires with neither wrestler attempting to set up angles or scoring.  Too many wrestlers have become defensive, holding position, not taking risks etc.     
We don't see the mindset in action anymore.  It's that simple.
The Iowa style is best summed up by George Patton in his famous speech to the Third Army:

" I don't want any messages saying 'I'm holding my position.  We're not holding a goddamned thing. We're advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding anything except the enemy's ba*ls. We're going to hold him by his ba*ls and we're going to kick him in the a**; twist his ba*ls and kick the living s**t out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We're going to go through the enemy like s**t through a tinhorn.

I see this as a major issue, both with the wrestlers and the coaching staff.  Risk aversion is a recipe for mediocrity.

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