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Nebraska offer list over 400

He asked how I could say at this point that Frost is recruiting well. So I gave examples. Given that it's early and barely any of the four year players he has recruited have had time to get on the field, there are other means of evaluating how well he is doing with talent infusion. This discussion clearly went over your head.

Even though you say it out loud, I know you know getting Ws vs Nebraska is only getting more and not less difficult for the foreseeable future. You win a few in a row and you act like Iowa owns Nebraska. Texas owned Nebraska. Iowa is just a consistent program that has taken advantage of Nebraska's struggles like a bunch of other conference schools have over the last few years.

And you secretly believe that Scotty will return Nebraska to the 1990s. Those days are gone boy and they ain't coming back.
 
When you resort to things like this, you know you've taken the L. Like one of your other brethren, best thing you can do is take your L and move on. Perhaps stay out of conversations you know nothing about.
You still here Dumbass? I would think you would be gone licking your wounds. Are you banned from the Husker board?
 
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If this were on a chart, the low tide is when Iowa kicks Nebraska's ass then they pop back up with their post Christmas enthusiasm and yearning for Christmas's past and then they grow and grow until the season starts and we recycle it. Maybe there is hope for future generations of Nebraskans.
 
No it hasn’t. I will give you the NFL draft picks. Winning one division title in 8 years does not impress much and to me...if Ferentz is this great developmental coach you say he is...he could use some more talent at his disposal to get over the hump. That’s where the recruiting highly ranked kids vs beating out MAC teams comes in to play.
For clarity - Nebraska has recruited, on average, the 27-28th best class in the country. Not excellent by any means. They have 32 players in the NFL. Iowa, and all of its amazing development, has 38 guys on NFL rosters. Pretty neat. There are tons of schools that have 20+ guys in the NFL. Hell, Duke has 14 or 15. I think Delaware has around 13.
 
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For clarity - Nebraska has recruited, on average, the 27-28th best class in the country. Not excellent by any means. They have 32 players in the NFL. Iowa, and all of its amazing development, has 38 guys on NFL rosters. Pretty neat. There are tons of schools that have 20+ guys in the NFL. Hell, Duke has 14 or 15. I think Delaware has around 13.
Dumbass you seem to like research. Why don’t you research how many offers the other programs you consider blue bloods have made. Get back to us with the numbers and we may change our mind about how Frost recruits. If not quit talking about this complicated recruiting process that Nebraska implements. Oh...and while you’re researching find out how many Nebraska players are starters in the NFL compared to Iowa players. This should keep you occupied for awhile.
 
Dumbass you seem to like research. Why don’t you research how many offers the other programs you consider blue bloods have made. Get back to us with the numbers and we may change our mind about how Frost recruits. If not quit talking about this complicated recruiting process that Nebraska implements. Oh...and while you’re researching find out how many Nebraska players are starters in the NFL compared to Iowa players. This should keep you occupied for awhile.
Oh, we are back to the offers thing again? So lazy. And it looks like you've more than run out of new material. It's obvious I should have put this lame blind dog (you) down a while ago, but it was fun to see how deep your stupid ran. Turns out, it's REALLY deep. But now that you're recycling arguments for the 4th and 5th times, I'm bored of you. So I guess I'll just block you.
 
Dumbass you seem to like research. Why don’t you research how many offers the other programs you consider blue bloods have made. Get back to us with the numbers and we may change our mind about how Frost recruits. If not quit talking about this complicated recruiting process that Nebraska implements. Oh...and while you’re researching find out how many Nebraska players are starters in the NFL compared to Iowa players. This should keep you occupied for awhile.
What an idiotic post. I answered that question about 25 mins before you posted this. 38 Iowa players. 32 Nebraska players on NFL rosters. Not much difference.
 
Oh, we are back to the offers thing again? So lazy. And it looks like you've more than run out of new material. It's obvious I should have put this lame blind dog (you) down a while ago, but it was fun to see how deep your stupid ran. Turns out, it's REALLY deep. But now that you're recycling arguments for the 4th and 5th times, I'm bored of you. So I guess I'll just block you.
Well Dumbass this thread does have “offer” in its title. You have just gone off so many different directions that you forgot where you were. I would be disappointed if you blocked me since we have become so close with nicknames and all. I guess we better not expect anymore research from you anytime soon.
 
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Oh, we are back to the offers thing again? So lazy. And it looks like you've more than run out of new material. It's obvious I should have put this lame blind dog (you) down a while ago, but it was fun to see how deep your stupid ran. Turns out, it's REALLY deep. But now that you're recycling arguments for the 4th and 5th times, I'm bored of you. So I guess I'll just block you.
Oh look, wimpy just blocks people he disagrees with :)
 
There was an article posted last week about how we're staying "hot on the recruiting trail" and in the article it talked about how the majority of our recruits have P5 offers, and that's what makes this class impressive. Here's my question. If offers are thrown out so flippantly, how come the majority of our recruits don't have more offers from the big boys or better P5 programs?

Deuce Hogan and Elijah Yelverton have offer lists that show how highly they're coveted and their expected upside.

Gavin Williams (Michigan/Nebraska), Tyler Elsbury (WVU/Mizzou), Josh Volk (ISU/Nebraska), and Logan Jones (Minnesota/Nebraska) are all borderline with a couple of bigger P5 offers.

The rest? The rest of our class boasts one or two P5 offers from bottom feeders of the P5. They don't have offer lists that show big recruiting victories for us. So are we just that fine with Captain Kirk carrying on recruiting completely middle of the road classes and developing a few of them into NFL players while Iowa goes 7-5 or 8-4 or 6-6 for eternity?

I like the class, I just think it's funny how we talk crap when we recruit middle of the road classes over and over and over. I appreciate the development of them, but good grief. Aim higher and when we recruit top 25 classes, then maybe we can talk.

But Iowa’s staff obviously isn’t using 247 or Rivals star ratings to make their offers. They are doing it based on their own evaluations.

The big difference between this year and 5+ years ago is that Iowa is offering - and accepting - commits from guys they have focused on and offered early on the cycle and that get have fully vetted. Regardless of stars, the staff must really like the use guys from their evaluations. Five years ago or so, they were often filling out these classes with later offers to obvious back-up players at the last minute and on signing day. To me, that’s a big difference and and obvious reason for Iowa fans to be excited.
 
I'll explain. It's because you really never win and probably never will again win anything of significance. Yes, you can claim beating a bad Mike Riley led Husker team, and then a first year coach trying to pick up the pieces, but probably won't happen that often going forward. We all know that conference and national titles won't either. Your welcome.

That’s IoWWWWa to you buddy boy.

I’m laughing at these Nebraska fans coming on and yelling about all of their highly recruited guys Frost brought on in his first couple of years. How many of these 4 star guys are coming in and playing immediately? Almost none.

Meanwhile Iowa guys are often playing at a high level as true freshmen/first year players. Our 3 star blows away your 4 or 5 star overranked player any day of the week. The reason is simple. When Iowa recruits players, they carefully cultivate relationships with recruits and their offers are all committable until spots are filled. Iowa generally only has a handful of offers out at a time. You have to visit campus unofficially generally speaking to get an offer as well. Iowa also does not use high pressure tactics either.

Often this trust between player and coach results in players that end their recruitment early and the services that rank these players aren’t getting the access to them to evaluate and raise their profile. The services sometimes don’t often evaluate well late bloomers or players that don’t make it to major camps for whatever reason. Sometimes these players do get offered by the big boys - but often it is so late in the cycle that they go unreported.

Iowa plays a certain moneyball aspect of this too. They’re better at evaluating than the services by far. Iowa is better at developing developmental players than just about anyone. They also understand the circumstances of a player that is likely to succeed. Often that means taking a lower-ranked player that is close to home rather than a higher ranked player in Texas for example.

Nebraska is starting to learn all of that under Frost. I expect he’ll be trying harder to fight for more recruits in Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, and Missouri as time goes on. I would also bet that the 400 plus scholly thing ends up going away sooner rather than later if he sticks around. That’s something that may kill Matt Campbell’s career too if he doesn’t stop that stupid crap.
 
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Your Mike Riley Utopia is over. You always tell NU fans not to live in the past... Well. That is the past. Scott Frost is now the coach. I'm interested to see how his recruits pan out.

^See how Husker fans never acknowledge that we stomped a mud hole in a 9 win Bo Pelini coached team’s ass in 2013 in Memorial Stadium? They also don’t mention that one of the Mike Reilly coached teams we beat by more than 4 TD’s was ranked #16 in the country and won 9 games.

Not only do they live in the past, but they live in a fantasy land where KF has only beaten bad Reilly coached teams.

But if they can blame Mo Washington’s victim for the kiddie porn he distributes, excuse his and Dedrick Mills’ drug use, and their head coach’s cowardice during their star runningback’s battering of Kate McEwen all the other BS they spout is a piece of cake.
 
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That’s IoWWWWa to you buddy boy.

I’m laughing at these Nebraska fans coming on and yelling about all of their highly recruited guys Frost brought on in his first couple of years. How many of these 4 star guys are coming in and playing immediately? Almost none.

Meanwhile Iowa guys are often playing at a high level as true freshmen/first year players. Our 3 star blows away your 4 or 5 star overranked player any day of the week. The reason is simple. When Iowa recruits players, they carefully cultivate relationships with recruits and their offers are all committable until spots are filled. Iowa generally only has a handful of offers out at a time. You have to visit campus unofficially generally speaking to get an offer as well. Iowa also does not use high pressure tactics either.

Often this trust between player and coach results in players that end their recruitment early and the services that rank these players aren’t getting the access to them to evaluate and raise their profile. The services sometimes don’t often evaluate well late bloomers or players that don’t make it to major camps for whatever reason. Sometimes these players do get offered by the big boys - but often it is so late in the cycle that they go unreported.

Iowa plays a certain moneyball aspect of this too. They’re better at evaluating than the services by far. Iowa is better at developing developmental players than just about anyone. They also understand the circumstances of a player that is likely to succeed. Often that means taking a lower-ranked player that is close to home rather than a higher ranked player in Texas for example.

Nebraska is starting to learn all of that under Frost. I expect he’ll be trying harder to fight for more recruits in Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, and Missouri as time goes on. I would also bet that the 400 plus scholly thing ends up going away sooner rather than later if he sticks around. That’s something that may kill Matt Campbell’s career too if he doesn’t stop that stupid crap.

Frost has had one class eligible to see the field under him and he had all of two months to put it together. And during those two months he received commitments from more four stars than Ferentz has in years. Of course, we all know Ferentz is too lazy and old to hit the recruiting trail with the big dogs.

And that class included Adrian Martinez.

Of course, again...Frost has signed/received commits from more 4 star recruits in 1.5 years than Ferentz has in a decade yet Iowa fans believe its Frost that is doing it wrong. Not the guy that has won one division title in 8 years but supposedly is a wizard on the recruiting trail.
 
That’s IoWWWWa to you buddy boy.

I’m laughing at these Nebraska fans coming on and yelling about all of their highly recruited guys Frost brought on in his first couple of years. How many of these 4 star guys are coming in and playing immediately? Almost none.

Meanwhile Iowa guys are often playing at a high level as true freshmen/first year players. Our 3 star blows away your 4 or 5 star overranked player any day of the week. The reason is simple. When Iowa recruits players, they carefully cultivate relationships with recruits and their offers are all committable until spots are filled. Iowa generally only has a handful of offers out at a time. You have to visit campus unofficially generally speaking to get an offer as well. Iowa also does not use high pressure tactics either.

Often this trust between player and coach results in players that end their recruitment early and the services that rank these players aren’t getting the access to them to evaluate and raise their profile. The services sometimes don’t often evaluate well late bloomers or players that don’t make it to major camps for whatever reason. Sometimes these players do get offered by the big boys - but often it is so late in the cycle that they go unreported.

Iowa plays a certain moneyball aspect of this too. They’re better at evaluating than the services by far. Iowa is better at developing developmental players than just about anyone. They also understand the circumstances of a player that is likely to succeed. Often that means taking a lower-ranked player that is close to home rather than a higher ranked player in Texas for example.

Nebraska is starting to learn all of that under Frost. I expect he’ll be trying harder to fight for more recruits in Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, and Missouri as time goes on. I would also bet that the 400 plus scholly thing ends up going away sooner rather than later if he sticks around. That’s something that may kill Matt Campbell’s career too if he doesn’t stop that stupid crap.


No Nebraska fan is downplaying development. Development has been the biggest issue at Nebraska. They had issues under Pelini and major issues under Riley. If Kirk is such a great developer then why dont Iowa fans want Kirk to develop 4 stars? OL and TE, no one should doubt his offers there. But RB, WR, etc, Iowa has had a lot of trouble there, why wouldnt you want a higher caliber of athlete? RB in paticular. With the offense Iowa runs, they should be getting a 4 star back every year.

I doubt they offer as many guys goping forward if they start winning, but at the same time I dont really care. Bama offers alot of guys. You might as well offer the #1 player in the country, I dont see why it matters. Maybe you peak some interest. Nebraska got Wandale Robinson a top 75 player out of Kentucky. Kentucky isnt Nebraska recruiting grounds. Nebraska offered Darian Chase a 4 star WR in Washington last year. He was interested, visited and committed like a month later. If Nebraska wasnt scouting Kentucky and Washington they woudlnt have gotten these 2 4 star players. If you watch film and a guy fits your system, why not offer?
 
Frost has had one class eligible to see the field under him and he had all of two months to put it together. And during those two months he received commitments from more four stars than Ferentz has in years. Of course, we all know Ferentz is too lazy and old to hit the recruiting trail with the big dogs.

And that class included Adrian Martinez.

Of course, again...Frost has signed/received commits from more 4 star recruits in 1.5 years than Ferentz has in a decade yet Iowa fans believe its Frost that is doing it wrong. Not the guy that has won one division title in 8 years but supposedly is a wizard on the recruiting trail.

Kirk looks for program fit. Scotty looks for stars. We got it.
 
No Nebraska fan is downplaying development. Development has been the biggest issue at Nebraska. They had issues under Pelini and major issues under Riley. If Kirk is such a great developer then why dont Iowa fans want Kirk to develop 4 stars? OL and TE, no one should doubt his offers there. But RB, WR, etc, Iowa has had a lot of trouble there, why wouldnt you want a higher caliber of athlete? RB in paticular. With the offense Iowa runs, they should be getting a 4 star back every year.

I doubt they offer as many guys goping forward if they start winning, but at the same time I dont really care. Bama offers alot of guys. You might as well offer the #1 player in the country, I dont see why it matters. Maybe you peak some interest. Nebraska got Wandale Robinson a top 75 player out of Kentucky. Kentucky isnt Nebraska recruiting grounds. Nebraska offered Darian Chase a 4 star WR in Washington last year. He was interested, visited and committed like a month later. If Nebraska wasnt scouting Kentucky and Washington they woudlnt have gotten these 2 4 star players. If you watch film and a guy fits your system, why not offer?

I got an offer in the mail but I tossed it in the trash. Like the junk mail that comes every week.
 
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Just look at the offer list, Nebraska is offering everyone with stars. Come on get real over 400 offers, no way the recruiting staff has had personal time with each of them. As far as the high school recruiting coordinator how does he know Nebraska hasn’t lied to him if his kids are going to Texas. I’m going to tell you what your fans tell Iowa fans on the Husker board. Go to your own board, no one here cares what you think. Oh...and Nebraska sucks!
I never said Neb has personally met each kid they offer. They watch film, like everyone, and offer kids they are interested in. If there is mutual interest then communication continues and relationships are built. It's not hard to understand.

Neb is in the middle of the country...not a recruiting hot bed where talented kids can just swing by for an unofficial. They offer kids they like on film to see if there is interest by the kid in Neb. If there is interest they'll start to build a relationship and if that goes well bring them in for an official visit (which are limited). Not all Neb offers are committable right away...Neb is not taking commits from kids they haven't built a relationship with. I could be wrong, but I don't think Frost has had a single decommit during his time in Lincoln. That points to strong relations being built during the recruiting process. It's why Neb has success recruitings top kids from states like GA, AZ, KY, TN, NJ, etc in Frost's first full recruiting cycle.

So yes, an organized recruiting staff can evaluate film on a ton of kids, offer one's they like on film, initiate contact to see if there is interest, and if there is build that relationship that may lead to a solid commitment from a kid that has built a good relationship with the staff and has visited Lincoln.

"Kids" was a typo...meant kid. His own kid, Kenyatta Watson picked UT. Grayson HS in GA is a powerhouse program and puts out double digit D1 talent every year. Mo Barry went to HS there. I can't link the article as it's from TOS, but if you don't believe me search "Kenyatta Watson Sr Nebraska" and you can find it.

BTW I'm not on the free Neb board, but I think you're free to post where ever you like. Just try posting about things you can speak intelligently on...clearly Neb recruiting is not one of those topics.
 
Jealousy at its finest and I love seeing Hawk tears LMAO. They wish so bad they could get playmakers and they can't! Have fun with all them slow white midwestern kids. NO ONE CARES ABOUT WINNING 8 GAMES YOU IDIOTS. Frost will be GREAT, something Iowa doesn't know how to be. He took over a bag of d*cks roster. You point fingers after one year when the great KF won 1 game his first year. You guys are the delusional ones
 
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Kirk looks for program fit. Scotty looks for stars. We got it.
Wrong.

Small sample size since Frost has only had one full recruiting cycle, but W. Robinson, Benhart, R. Johnson, Nance, Henrich, and 2020 QB Smothers were all 3 stars or not ranked in Smothers case when Neb either offered or got a commit. Some got bumped to 4 stars after they committed to Neb.

Your analysis, if we can call it that, is skin deep at best.
 
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Of course, we all know Ferentz is too lazy and old to hit the recruiting trail with the big dogs.

What takes more time and effort? Seeing guys in camp and getting to know them on a campus visit before offering or looking at who has 4 stars on rivals and texting them an offer? I could “recruit” 400+ guys before lunch today using one of these two methods.
 
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What takes more time and effort? Seeing guys in camp and getting to know them on a campus visit before offering or looking at who has 4 stars on rivals and texting them an offer? I could “recruit” 400+ guys before lunch today using one of these two methods.

Iowa would like to finish higher in the recruiting ranks correct? So why do Iowa fans care how it's done? You would be lying if you say no. The TOP teams all recruit well. Nebraska, like Iowa, doesn't have any talent around us. We have to go out and get it. Travel non-stop. Sorry that you are okay with having 3 star Midwest kids when we aren't.
 
What takes more time and effort? Seeing guys in camp and getting to know them on a campus visit before offering or looking at who has 4 stars on rivals and texting them an offer? I could “recruit” 400+ guys before lunch today using one of these two methods.

Offering and landing 4 stars are two different things. But apparently you believe that Nebraska still has some major pull considering you assume Nebraska just offers a 4 star and he accepts right away.

Yes, recruiting 4 stars and going against other high major programs takes more time than battling South Dakota St and the MAC conference.
 
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Iowa does not offer until a recruit has been on campus.
Maybe you can explain why Iowa does that.

If you like a kids film, have communicated with him and there's mutual interest, why not offer?

Don't you think a kid that, let's say has 15 P5 offers and legit interest in 8, would be more likely to use an OV on a school that has already offered than one that requires you to visit before getting an offer?
 
Jealousy at its finest and I love seeing Hawk tears LMAO. They wish so bad they could get playmakers and they can't! Have fun with all them slow white midwestern kids. NO ONE CARES ABOUT WINNING 8 GAMES YOU IDIOTS. Frost will be GREAT, something Iowa doesn't know how to be. He took over a bag of d*cks roster. You point fingers after one year when the great KF won 1 game his first year. You guys are the delusional ones

Again Iowa State-ish. Nice.
 
Maybe you can explain why Iowa does that.

If you like a kids film, have communicated with him and there's mutual interest, why not offer?

Don't you think a kid that, let's say has 15 P5 offers and legit interest in 8, would be more likely to use an OV on a school that has already offered than one that requires you to visit before getting an offer?

How do you know what their character is? Or you just throwing shit at the wall?
 
Iowa would like to finish higher in the recruiting ranks correct? So why do Iowa fans care how it's done? You would be lying if you say no. The TOP teams all recruit well. Nebraska, like Iowa, doesn't have any talent around us. We have to go out and get it. Travel non-stop. Sorry that you are okay with having 3 star Midwest kids when we aren't.

We will gladly take your Drew Otts, Noah Fants and Nathan Bazata's. We love them here. Your cast offs. The 3 stars as you will.
 
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Offering and landing 4 stars are two different things. But apparently you believe that Nebraska still has some major pull considering you assume Nebraska just offers a 4 star and he accepts right away.

Yes, recruiting 4 stars and going against other high major programs takes more time than battling South Dakota St and the MAC conference.
This...

It takes a lot more effort to win recruiting battles against OU, UG, OSU, UM, UT, etc than it does Indiana, Illinois, Ball St, and Cincinnati. Either that or like you said...Neb carries so much clout they can land double digit 4 star kids without putting in the work.
 
How do you know what their character is? Or you just throwing shit at the wall?
You get to know character by talking to their coaches, teachers, parents, and the kids themselves. That doesn't require face to face. Then if you like what you hear and there's mutual interest you bring them in for an official visits, or unofficial if they're close.

Frost isn't accepting commits from kids without them visiting first. All of Neb's 2019 class that signed visited before committing. Same with all the 2020 kids so far.

The notion that Neb just offers 4 star kids and accepts offers without them visiting or doing extensive research on them is just false.
 
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