Need advice from HR, Legal, Managers

[RNHawk]

So my co-worker texted me yesterday. She had referred a friend to come and work at our hospital. They graduated nursing school together, so same amount of experience. Her friend has about 6 months of OR experience and she has been in the OR for over a year and is a great nurse. Our hospital offered her friend 5 dollars more an hour plus a signing bonus to come and work for them My coworker is pissed. Like I said I don't want to lose her so how should she navigate this from an HR/legal/managerial perspective given all the nuances that comes with this problem. Another tidbit is that my co-worker asked for a raise in March and hasn't gotten anything

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

So my co-worker texted me yesterday. She had referred a friend to come and work at our hospital. They graduated nursing school together, so same amount of experience. Her friend has about 6 months of OR experience and she has been in the OR for over a year and is a great nurse. Our hospital offered her friend 5 dollars more an hour plus a signing bonus to come and work for them My coworker is pissed. Like I said I don't want to lose her so how should she navigate this from an HR/legal/managerial perspective given all the nuances that comes with this problem. Another tidbit is that my co-worker asked for a raise in March and hasn't gotten anything

Ouch. It actually happens fairly often as wage increases have outpaced C.P.I. so it's become more expensive to bring on new people. (That's why it's soooooo important to retain staff.) The bitter pill for your co-worker is that her salary has no bearing on the salaries of others.

Are the nurses unionized? She might be able to work with her rep to get a bump considering they just brought on someone new for more money. I mean, it is $10K year difference, and if she doesn't get the bump, she'll most likely walk.

 

[HawkMachine]

This is going on in every single hospital in America.

It's great for the new EE's and sucks for the old.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

Have sex with them both. Problem solved.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Demand a raise, leave for a better hourly rate at a different hospital, or stick it out and be bitter. And maybe wonder about a union.

I don't see the HR/legal angle here, yet.

 

[Fan In Black]

my financial advisor said the biggest mistake I made was not changing jobs / companies more often. He tells his younger clients that if they want to build the most wealth they should do this more often. They will earn more money in the long run.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

my financial advisor said the biggest mistake I made was not changing jobs / companies more often. He tells his younger clients that if they want to build the most wealth they should do this more often. They will earn more money in the long run.

Correct. 3-5 percent annual increases don't cut it. If you're not getting promoted into a 10-15 percent higher paying position every couple of years, you need to job hunt and give yourself a promotion.

 

[Brian_Fantana]

Demand a raise, leave for a better hourly rate at a different hospital, or stick it out and be bitter. And maybe wonder about a union.

I don't see the HR/legal angle here, yet.

This - I also don't see any sort of legal/hr angle. Happens in every industry, and why companies have always fought to not have to disclose pay. When a company is desperate for new hires, they tend to have to offer more than their current employees are making. Not sure how your friend found out; but if it is a posted job, i would forward that to whoever she reports to and ask for a raise. If they don't give it to her, every hospital is hiring right now she would have zero issues finding a job, unless of course she is in an area where there is only one legitimate employer.

 

[millah_22]

Demand a raise, leave for a better hourly rate at a different hospital, or stick it out and be bitter. And maybe wonder about a union.

I don't see the HR/legal angle here, yet.

This - I also don't see any sort of legal/hr angle. Happens in every industry, and why companies have always fought to not have to disclose pay. When a company is desperate for new hires, they tend to have to offer more than their current employees are making. Not sure how your friend found out; but if it is a posted job, i would forward that to whoever she reports to and ask for a raise. If they don't give it to her, every hospital is hiring right now she would have zero issues finding a job, unless of course she is in an area where there is only one legitimate employer.

My guess is the HR angle is how to approach them for equal pay for her experience.

As for your co-worker, if they ignored her 6 months ago, her best bet is prob finding another job that pays her $5 more per hour.

 

[tumorboy]

Have sex with them both. Problem solved. Plus film and post it here.

FIFY

 

[RNHawk]

Ouch. It actually happens fairly often as wage increases have outpaced C.P.I. so it's become more expensive to bring on new people. (That's why it's soooooo important to retain staff.) The bitter pill for your co-worker is that her salary has no bearing on the salaries of others.

Are the nurses unionized? She might be able to work with her rep to get a bump considering they just brought on someone new for more money. I mean, it is $10K year difference, and if she doesn't get the bump, she'll most likely walk.

Well we are already short staffed and using registry to fill the spots at a premium, I would think that they would be willing to listen, but I have been in healthcare long enough to know that will never happen

 

[jasonrann]

Have her look for a competitive position at another hospital. If she gets an offer, she can use it as leverage to get a raise where she is. I have had that happen a couple times where I currently work. That at least sped up the conversation about compensation adjustments. Another offer gives her ammo so she won't look like a bitter whiner. Some places (not saying yours does) simply have the opinion that anyone is replaceable and won't move until they have to. I don't share that sentiment, but then I don't own the business either.

 

[JMNSHO]

This is just one of many reasons I left healthcare: the most recent hire was always the best payed. One woman quit and was rehired 3x over 10 years and if she had never quit she would have been making 30% less at the end of her tenure.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Start looking for a new job, and either leave or use the new offer as documented leverage.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

This is just one of many reasons I left healthcare: the most recent hire was always the best payed. One woman quit and was rehired 3x over 10 years and if she had never quit she would have been making 30% less at the end of her tenure.

That's the same strategy i used to use with mediacom.

 

[Aardvark86]

So my co-worker texted me yesterday. She had referred a friend to come and work at our hospital. They graduated nursing school together, so same amount of experience. Her friend has about 6 months of OR experience and she has been in the OR for over a year and is a great nurse. Our hospital offered her friend 5 dollars more an hour plus a signing bonus to come and work for them My coworker is pissed. Like I said I don't want to lose her so how should she navigate this from an HR/legal/managerial perspective given all the nuances that comes with this problem. Another tidbit is that my co-worker asked for a raise in March and hasn't gotten anything

pay a referral bonus to the existing employee.

 

[RNHawk]

Have her look for a competitive position at another hospital. If she gets an offer, she can use it as leverage to get a raise where she is. I have had that happen a couple times where I currently work. That at least sped up the conversation about compensation adjustments. Another offer gives her ammo so she won't look like a bitter whiner. Some places (not saying yours does) simply have the opinion that anyone is replaceable and won't move until they have to. I don't share that sentiment, but then I don't own the business either.

She has had a better offer and presented it to management, and nothing

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

HR can't do anything without management signing off on it.

 

[jasonrann]

She has had a better offer and presented it to management, and nothing

It would be very difficult for me to stay in a situation like that. I have done it twice, never again.

 

[Rifler]

She has had a better offer and presented it to management, and nothing

Obviously this ploy only works if you're willing to leave,.. Appears management plays a better game of poker than your friend.

 

[dgordo]

She has had a better offer and presented it to management, and nothing

Sounds like she should leave.

 

[Rifler]

This story brings up another valuable point, that used to be commonly accepted by most people,.. Don't discuss salaries with your co-workers, because someone is guaranteed to be disappointed and it might be you.

 

[Bonerfarts]

Ouch. It actually happens fairly often as wage increases have outpaced C.P.I. so it's become more expensive to bring on new people. (That's why it's soooooo important to retain staff.) The bitter pill for your co-worker is that her salary has no bearing on the salaries of others.

Are the nurses unionized? She might be able to work with her rep to get a bump considering they just brought on someone new for more money. I mean, it is $10K year difference, and if she doesn't get the bump, she'll most likely walk.

Exactly this. Drivers are hard to find and wages for new drivers go up. Nothing says we have to pay the older drivers more. We give long term drives priorities on good jobs and better benefits to retain them. These drivers are all staunchly anti-union, but its clear to me if they were, they could easily negotiate higher wages for all of them.

 

[Underscore2]

my financial advisor said the biggest mistake I made was not changing jobs / companies more often. He tells his younger clients that if they want to build the most wealth they should do this more often. They will earn more money in the long run.

Well. ..Shit.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

By chance did any of this story take place in a hotel in New Orleans??

Doodle's asking for a friend.