Nimmers questions?
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And of coarse, everyone else on the team runs prefect sets, got it. Nimmers hasn't played a minute and already you're quoting another players opinion that may or may not be true.
We'll never know how good Amarion is or can be if he is never given the opportunity to to show what he can do in extended minutes against other teams and I'm hoping that this summer he's given that chance during the European trip. The kid is special and Iowa could use a player like that if Iowa is indeed looking to continue making the NCAA tournament.
Iowa is not going to play all 6 of their taller players extended minutes and someone is going to redshirt or lose a year which has happened all to often under Fran.
We'll never know how good Amarion is or can be if he is never given the opportunity to to show what he can do in extended minutes against other teams and I'm hoping that this summer he's given that chance during the European trip. The kid is special and Iowa could use a player like that if Iowa is indeed looking to continue making the NCAA tournament.
Iowa is not going to play all 6 of their taller players extended minutes and someone is going to redshirt or lose a year which has happened all to often under Fran.
were the comments by Connor before last season during summer work outs or were they made after this springs NCAAT? that can carry more weight, coming from Connor.
Lemme guess...Nimmers is from the QC?
Practice videos of of moves outside of a team competition really show very little. It will be interesting how Nimmers performs in the overseas trip. He clearly has talent and athleticism, but can he use that talent in actual team competition? I see Perkins and Dix as the most likely to get minutes at 2. Since Nimmers, Bowen and Harding all have talent, but haven't shown they can run an offense at this level of competition, minutes at PG are really hard to predict. Should be fun to follow the competition for minutes.
Minutes at 4/5 are also hard to predict, but we do have depth there also. Krikke will almost certainly be in the rotation, and Brauns looks like at least a solid back up. The true freshmen have plenty of talent, but it is hard to be a big contributor straight out of HS. Mulvey has athleticism and length, but has shown very little in his first two years. Great year for the preseason trip.
Minutes at 4/5 are also hard to predict, but we do have depth there also. Krikke will almost certainly be in the rotation, and Brauns looks like at least a solid back up. The true freshmen have plenty of talent, but it is hard to be a big contributor straight out of HS. Mulvey has athleticism and length, but has shown very little in his first two years. Great year for the preseason trip.
I live in the Quad Cities and have played D1 basketball, coached and officiated college basketball. I have seen Nimmers play. In my opinion, he has game. He has excellent athleticism and has the tools to be taught how to be successful at the next level. I think he will help the Hawks and has the skills to be an excellent player. I believe most people will be pleased to have him on our roster.
It'll be interesting to me whether Nimmers stays if he's not given a scholarship given the recent scholarships that have been handed out to other players.
Unless he's been told that a scholarship is not forthcoming this year and he's ok with that, I don't see him sticking with the Hawks past this year. He's just too good to not receive a scholarship and getting copious amounts of playing time.
Nimmers is a tough spot, mostly due to the covid year limbo that coaches have to play these days. I think most here would agree that the biggest "recruiting" win for the '24 class would be the Iowa staff convinces Perkins and Patrick to return for a 5th season. Experience is what is winning in college basketball right now which is why the transfer portal has become so pivotal. Teams just aren't winning with 18 or 19 year olds much unless they are the elite 5-stars--especially when rosters are filled with 23 and 24 year olds.
So if we go by that assumption that the coaches will want to convince players to utilize all of their remaining eligibility, then the only way they can continue to look at players in the '24 class is if that open scholarship remains open. Of course there's almost always going to be 1 or 2 exits each year in this new era--I just know Fran does not like "over-recruiting" so I'm not sure that's actually something Fran is willing to assume.
Too early to tell how anything is going to play out this year, but there could also be 1 or 2 guys exit via the portal, like this year. For example, if Mulvey doesn't earn a spot in the rotation, I doubt he would return. Ditto Bowen. I would be very surprised if Nimmers isn't on scholarship for '24 if he gets more than spot minutes this year.
Can you possibly lower the expectations for the kid? Special is Keegan or Kris Murray. Or Luka Garza. No offers from even Valley schools. I'm in the very hopeful camp that because of Covid he was overlooked. But he didn't even start for his AAU team. He looks like he has some athleticism we could always use at that position. If we end up giving him a scholly that's great.
I posted what follows in the 2024 recruiting thread and might as well post it here, too
For the 2024-2025 season, we have 3 scholarships open right now. That number could be reduced to 1 if PMac and Tony use their free covid year and return for 2024-2025.
As of now, here is where things stand:
2024-2025 Roster (10 on Scholarship; 3 scholarships available):
FRESHMEN: 1 player
6'7" PF Cooper Koch (****)
SOPHOMORES: 4 players
6"10" C Owen Freeman (***)
6'0" PG Brock Harding (***)
6'7" SF Pryce Sandfort (***)
6'8" PF Ladji Dembele (****)
JUNIORS: 2 players
6'3" PG Dasonte Bowen (***)
6'5" SG Josh Dix (***)
SENIORS: 3 players
6'7" F Payton Sandfort (***)
6'11" C Riley Mulvey (***)
6'9" F/C Even Brauns
He had one offer (Eastern Illinois).
Iowa, Belmont, Creighton, Drake, Illinois, Iowa State, Marquette, North Dakota State, UNI, South Dakota, Toledo, Princeton and Columbia showed interest but did not offer.
it appears there were 3 issues that hurt Amarion's recruitment:
* Schools looking at the transfer portal for players and not at high school players
* The free covid year took away potential available scholarships
* In spring & summer AAU ball following his junior year he came off the bench and played very little; the result was that he did not get much exposure to college coaches.
This March, 2022 article from the Chicago Sun Times mentions the AAU playing time issue. Not sure who was playing ahead of him on his AAU team.
The Rock Island guard was an afterthought after playing very little off the bench for the Illinois Wolves in the spring and summer on the AAU circuit.
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Here's a story from April 25, 2022 that further discussed his situation:
With the growth of the transfer portal and college players using an extra year due to Covid-19, there are certainly some outstanding high school players who are slipping though the recruiting cracks this year.
One of those players is 2022 guard Amarion Nimmers from Rock Island. The 6-foot-3 guard had an outstanding senior season for the Rocks, averaging 23.9 points per game, including scoring 45 in one game this past year.
But, the recruiting interest has been slow to come for the talented guard. That was until recently when business started to pick up. Nimmers has a scholarship offer from Eastern Illinois and recently he started hearing from Iowa and Illinois.
“It was good visit today,” Nimmers said. “Coach Eldridge had reached out to me on twitter and they asked if I wanted to come for a visit, so I went there.”
The visit included a tour of the campus and also watching the Iowa players doing a workout. Then he was able to play pickup with some of the Iowa players, which he really enjoyed.
“I got to tour the facilities and see what it was like there. I spent time with Coach Eldridge on the campus tour and then when we were at the basketball facility I was with Coach McCaffery and he talked to me quite a bit.”
NImmers said the Iowa players were very welcoming to him on the visit and they were helpful when they were playing pickup ball as well.
“The players were really nice. After we got done, Patrick McCaffery sat down and talked with me and (Ahron) Ulis and (Tony) Perkins were giving me pointers on the court.”
After spending time with the Iowa players and coaches, Nimmers came away impressed and said that the Hawkeyes will definitely be staying in touch as they continue this process.
On Monday evening, former Iowa assistant coach Billy Taylor, was set to meet with the guard at his high school in his new role as the head coach at Elon. Then on Tuesday, Nimmers is set to travel to Champaign for an unofficial visit to the University of Illinois.
Hawkeye Beacon - 2022 guard visits Iowa
Amarion Nimmers, a 2022 guard from Rock Island, discusses his visit to Iowa and future trips this week.
iowa.rivals.com
100% correct.
As I mentioned above, we could be down to just 1 scholarship for 2024-2025 if PMac and Tony return in 2024-2025 for their free covid year. But, if a player (or players) leave early, that gives Fran options. Rosters now are a continual jig saw puzzle with lots of moving (and sometimes missing) pieces.
On a side note: I can't wait until there is NEVER AGAIN an athlete on a free covid year!
My understanding of the guaranteed 4-year scholarship rule is that it only applies to players who sign NLIs, which would not include Nimmers. I believe that they could give him a one-year scholarship for 23-24 with the promise that they will let him know before the portal opens in '24 his scholarship status for 24-25.
It's not as good as a 4-year deal, but it is an improvement on what he has now. The athletic department is out one year's out of state tuition, but I doubt money is one of their bigger concerns.
It's not as good as a 4-year deal, but it is an improvement on what he has now. The athletic department is out one year's out of state tuition, but I doubt money is one of their bigger concerns.
what do you consider copious amount of playing time?
as for a position I feel he will be a 1 or 2. he will get minutes because of Injuries or foul trouble.
Seems right, but it might be harder to take him off scholarship, once he is on it without offending him, so I think it is more likely Fran leaves it open. Who knows? By now, I suspect the coaches have a pretty good idea where Nimmers is in their plans going forward. Baring injuries at guard, his main competition for minutes this year, as I see it, will be Bowen and Hunter. If he isn't playing meaningful minutes pretty early in the season, I doubt that he will be on scholarship in 24. Obviously, how recruiting goes for 24 could also impact Nimmer's future. He needs to make the most of his time early.
I agree, but that's a different argument than what some on here want which is to give him the scholarship now. If Nimmers comes out this year and cracks the rotation, then of course he needs to get on scholarship. I just think some here are putting the cart before the buggy when it doesn't need to be.
lets see what Fran decides to do shall we, remember poster were calling for Fran's head right after he offered the Murray Twins.
I will trust him with what he decides is best for his team.
I will trust him with what he decides is best for his team.
Looks like you lost Tyler right after you said you lived in the QC.
Thanks for the insight.
Totally agree. That is why I asked in one of these threads whether there was anything more than the noncompetitive practice video that has so many hyped up about Nimmers. Fran has seen him first hand for a year, so he has a pretty good idea what he has.
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