i know - just havin fun. tOSU has been awful at at putting the best out there in the past. glad that they threw ncaa champ fat boy out there at 184 last night - kinda surprised (musta been that he was lower ranked)
No Clark Tonight?
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Clark got a little banged up against Penn State. He isn't as bad as he was in December. He was sitting last night regardless of the opponent. Honestly it does take a shit for brains to think otherwise.
I generally enjoy your posts, but this one is extremely weak, especially assuming you understand the history of Clark's injury -- not to mention the fact that we were wrestling tOSU, whose coach has a rich history (acknowledged and criticized by his own fans) of holding his guys out to duck top opponents and protect their seeds.
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Wouldn't it be nice if someone gave a shit what you think?
He qualified it by saying they are keeping his long term interests in mind. Clearly he is injured and my belief is Brands learned from the McD senior year and is protecting Clark from himself and his competitive fire to be out there.
The Insider Who Knows Nothing speaks! I don't know what I will do without your Internet approval. Then again, given your accuracy rate on your knowledge, I'm probably in pretty good position here...
I get that. But we criticize other people, notably Ryan, for doing it. There should be a consistency.
Said Tanning Salon guys do it all the time. It's a trend. Love all of the false equivalencies being thrown around. Plus, Kyle Snyder wasn't going to be there so I'm guessing that played into Tom's decision to give Cory some rest.
It's not a false equivalency. I didn't say that Brands is doing it at the same level Ryan does. It's just that either it's ok to sit guys who can go or it's not. I've criticized Ryan every time he does that, it's hypocritical to let it slide because I root for Iowa and Brands.
What would have everyones' reaction have been if Cory had wrestled and further injured his shoulder making him unable to compete the rest of the year or having to compete at 60-70%? One thing to sit someone just to rest him and another when he has an injury that could be made worse by wrestling.
Does Tom or Cory have a history of ducking? Has Cory already faced good competition, one of which was an away meet that he lost which affected his seed? If Cory did go out and get hurt worse, would you be calling Tom a mind-numbingly dumb bastard? Don't bother, they are rhetorical (at least I hope).
If Cory could go last week, could have went this week per Tom, and is going next week, your argument holds no water unless we're just going to hold Cory out until B1Gs. Because those same concerns would exist in every match, so why wrestle any matches at all that don't involve the NCAA tournament or making the NCAA tournament?
And I said nothing about Cory, this appears to have been Brands decision.
So then why is he wrestling at all before B1Gs? That's where the logic falls apart.
What don't you get? Brands is picking his battles for one of his wrestlers with an injury. Ryan would not catch a bunch of crap if he sat 1 of his wrestlers every couple years when that wrestlers is managing an injury and that match was only going to help his seed.
Uh the fact that you and others are comfortable saying it's ok for my guy to do it but not for others. Think I've been very clear on this.
The first time I can remember Ryan doing it was Herbert-Pucillo, and he caught crap from everyone back then, and rightfully so.
If Clark was projected to be seeded ahead of Tomaselo this situation is totally different. I don't remember that situation but if people were fired up I am guessing it was the opposite of this one.
::sigh:: Do you not remember McD? Matt McD and Cory are competitors. Ask them if they feel good enough to go, they'll say yes. McD wrestled most of the B1G season. By the time he got to the post season, his shoulder was shredded.
It's like a pitch count: Say you are putting your previously injured starter out there for 4 to 5 innings to keep him playable but would you let him keep pitching to 9 innings if he had a 1-0 shut out going and looked great in a regular August game? The pitcher would be like, "I feel great Skip" but this is where common sense and experience come in for the coach. Would you do this to a pitcher who is a previously known post season stud or save his innings...the last of his career for the postseason?
I don't need to know if Clark is capable of beating Nato...I know he is. The same with every other guy at 133. This is what Brands means after duals when he says some questions got answered, especially after OSU.
Brands wants to win duals. I am betting that Snyder being out made his decision because Brands bet on us being able to beat them without Cory....and we did. You might have a point if we had lost this match.
How about if hypothetically speaking he won't be 100% at any point this season. I figured a court jester like yourself could figure that out. Maybe you ate paint chips as a kid?
He wouldn't though... Cory suffered a set back, simple as that. I can all but guarantee that Cory wasn't going regardless of circumstances. Won't shock me a bit if he's held back for Wisconsin Friday either... In fact, I expect it.
So he's good enough to go against Kaid Brock, good enough to go last week, good enough to go this week (but doesn't), and will be back in the lineup next week.
It's fantastic when people try to level personal attacks based of a logically consistent opinion. Based on that, one of us ate paint chips, and it probably isn't the one of us with a juris doctor.
He wrestled because he needs the compition and because he's a senior and he wants to. Could have sat out the oky state meet if he were ducking. Bottom line is; he wrestled, he tweaked his shoulder again and then he needed to rest it. End of story.
He is wrestling with an injury. He aggravated that injury and it was decided he should sit out. He might sit out next week too. Not even that same as the numerous no shows Ryan has done over the years with guys not even having an injury. Go to The Mat and be an a-hole.
Bingo. Most people who watched the PSU match saw it. Vak is blinded by her desire to question the coaches.
In my mind it would look bad if Clark didn't obviously have a serious injury. The comparison to Tom Ryan isn't even close to being true. We need to remember back to all the fOSU starters not going and look at the reasons they sat out. Hell we have an fOSU guy on here saying he no longer attends duals b/c Ryan has a knack for sitting guys in big match ups.
Clark has a serious injury, I'd say anyone wrestling NATO needs to be as close to 100% as physically possible...it's not really that hard of a concept to figure out. Does it look good, of course not but the kid is hurt and set to wrestle the #1 contender. To me it's pretty simple logic when you look at the big picture.
And I'd guess most of us aren't puppets of Brands, if he sat people like Ryan he'd hear it from the fans. You're an idiot if you think it'd be different.
Clark has a serious injury, I'd say anyone wrestling NATO needs to be as close to 100% as physically possible...it's not really that hard of a concept to figure out. Does it look good, of course not but the kid is hurt and set to wrestle the #1 contender. To me it's pretty simple logic when you look at the big picture.
And I'd guess most of us aren't puppets of Brands, if he sat people like Ryan he'd hear it from the fans. You're an idiot if you think it'd be different.
Oooh, female pronouns used as an attempted insult. Truly the height of discourse.
I question the coaches, as I do in any sport, when I see it necessary. I literally posted last week lauding the coaches for how they've adjusted their recruiting strategy. But please, keep up the ridiculous assertions.
I can think of three major questions I've brought up that would be seen as "negative":
1. Holding Clark out.
2. The recruiting (and they've adjusted, so I've praised them for it)
3. The Metcalf situation which, btw, there has been zero evidence of any interaction between Metcalf and the program's administration since then.
As per usual, if you don't immediately defend EVERY decision, people will try to come at you with sophomoric insults. It's borderline hilarious.
You'll probably love this one then.... I'll bet you fart in jars and drive a Prius.
we complain about ducking to preserve a seed, cory wrestled okst when he would have been protecting a seed, he did not wrestle fohst when he could have improved his seed by wrestling. if you weren't such a cocky a$$ you could understand the difference of what it is that most of us dislike.
BigTen seeding is based strictly off conference records so this could be a factor. Lets say they are both undefeated and then Brands argues that Clark should be #1 based on winning 133 last year. He may not win that argument but it's a lot better then a head-to-head loss where there is no debate.
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Vak....... the possibility of Clark "tweaking" his shoulder or some other similar sort of issue in the past week or so of practices is the thing you seem to be discounting or ignoring.
Yes, it looks bad, but people are going to whine and complain and accuse Brands of crap whether true or not.
If you doubt Brands acted honestly and properly and was actually ducking Tomato....so be it.
I choose to have a bit more faith in his character and understand he made his decision with much more info than we will ever know about. Without knowing all the facts used to make the decision then all of us are just arguing our "facts" and perceptions under false pretenses. Our positions might as well be out and out lies. I'd make a lawyer joke here........but you've already heard them all I'm guessing..........
Drops mic. Tries to walk off stage. Trips over mic on the floor, falls, and chips a tooth. Sues venue management for $127,789.
Oh I don't know. Have met a few that one would think paint chips was the least of it. Bet you are a good one though...can argue a point with passion and conviction while being totally wrong.
This thread has been a good result for you. Go tell your homies on The Mat about how you are one of the truly honest Hawk fans who doesn't carry Brands water...willing to call him out.
Vak, evidently these Iowa fans don't even believe their own coach. Paraphrasing Brand's interview: "Was he ready to go? Yes. Did he want to go? Yes. He'll wrestle next week against Wisconsin". If Clark was banged up then Brands could have phrased his answers better.
Coach speak...He could have gone tonight
Translation...He would have wrestled if it was the NCAA tourney, but he's freaking injured
I just solved the problem for all the rocket scientist.
Translation...He would have wrestled if it was the NCAA tourney, but he's freaking injured
I just solved the problem for all the rocket scientist.
This. Anyone who thinks any different is either an idiot, a troll, or hasn't been paying any attention whatsoever to the Iowa program under Coach Brands watch... However, it's not a hard line... Vak is the perfect example of the blending of all three.
1. We all know Clark is dealing with an injury prior. We can tell that given the fact Clark now where's a sleeve that he didn't need a few weeks earlier. Tom Ryan is the master of us not wrestling someone out of the blue without any sign of prior injuries.
2. Lets say Clark really is trying to protect seeds. Wouldn't the smart move have been to duck Brock since a loss to him would be something Cory couldn't avenge until NCAA's. Thus meaning it will be about impossible for Cory to jump him again? Meanwhile a loss to Toma means nothing other than BIG seeding which if Cory would avenge then it would be washed and the last meeting would weigh more for national seeding. Im not sure what anyones point would be for BIG seeding because they are on a collision course anyway. The true smart duck would have been in Stillwater geniuses!
2. Lets say Clark really is trying to protect seeds. Wouldn't the smart move have been to duck Brock since a loss to him would be something Cory couldn't avenge until NCAA's. Thus meaning it will be about impossible for Cory to jump him again? Meanwhile a loss to Toma means nothing other than BIG seeding which if Cory would avenge then it would be washed and the last meeting would weigh more for national seeding. Im not sure what anyones point would be for BIG seeding because they are on a collision course anyway. The true smart duck would have been in Stillwater geniuses!
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