Uh, yes, this is not the best breakfast I've ever had and I'd like my money back.I worked a fast food job in highschool. People were assholes 20 years ago too. It's not a new phenomenon.
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Uh, yes, this is not the best breakfast I've ever had and I'd like my money back.I worked a fast food job in highschool. People were assholes 20 years ago too. It's not a new phenomenon.
From my observations and experience there's a certain segment that "doesn't want to work".
Young enough to still live with Mommy and Daddy.
I deal with contractors constantly....HVAC/Electricians ect....they simply can't get their apprenticeship positions filled. They'll get a kid and they'll last a week and quit...
Too hot, work too hard ect ect....
Just hear the same thing constantly from the companies I deal with....
You are so far off the mark it's kinda funny. They've beaten every bush, job fairs open houses running ads doing everything possible to get people to relocate. $2,000 hiring bonus, $2,000 referral bonus. Dropped the High School/ GED requirement.
We have turned down millions of dollars in new business, dropped lower margin product lines, cut labor intensive products. At one point we were more that $10 million backlogged. We've cut that down to $5 million.
Now I'm not saying they have been perfect. There have been some missteps. But the fact still remains, we've been here doing this for here for 50 years, I've been a part of it for 43. The job is much easier that when I started, the bosses are great compared to days past. It's just much different mindset with the work force to day.
You would if you didn't have any other options. Which was the economy before a couple milllion people retired simultaneously. If you're a millennial, you've probably never experienced a better job market unless you're committed in some odd profession that hasn't kept up with wages. Shoe is on the other foot for once. Oh noooooo my 401k that won't matter for 30 years is down a little. Oh but now I'm getting a match on a higher wage. This is the best recession ever.Like Gimmered, I think you’re still looking at this backwards.
You see young people quitting and see them as not wanting to work hard. That’s only part of the equation…the truth is they don’t want to work hard in those conditions in that culture/management for that amount of pay.
You show me any job and I guarantee you that they could find people to do it… if the worker is properly incentivized.
If I expected you to do crap work with no benefits in a toxic environment for not even enough per month to afford rent… would you do it?
I disagree on that first sentence, and I think we are seeing that play out.You would if you didn't have any other options. Which was the economy before a couple milllion people retired simultaneously. If you're a millennial, you've probably never experienced a better job market unless you're committed in some odd profession that hasn't kept up with wages. Shoe is on the other foot for once. Oh noooooo my 401k that won't matter for 30 years is down a little. Oh but now I'm getting a match on a higher wage. This is the best recession ever.
Uh, yes, this is not the best breakfast I've ever had and I'd like my money back.
Are you kidding?Ever heard of ”OnlyFans”?
They're getting medical/dental for those positions....start at $18.00 an hr....not bad for High School grads...If I expected you to do crap work with no benefits in a toxic environment for not even enough per month to afford rent… would you do it?
They're getting medical/dental for those positions....start at $18.00 an hr....not bad for High School grads...
That's good pay for a kid coming out of High School. Not sure what job they'd qualify for that'd pay better.That’s not good pay. After taxes, etc… that’s like $2300-$2400/month.
Where in Florida are you? What’s average rent there? $2000/month?
Bro…That's good pay for a kid coming out of High School. Not sure what job they'd qualify for that'd pay better.
You take the apprenticeship...still live with Mommy and Daddy and move out when you're fully qualified and getting paid better.
Bro...which job has a better opportunity for advancement?
The estimated total pay for a Store Manager at McDonald's is $70,537 per year. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users. The estimated base pay is $50,922 per year. The estimated additional pay is $19,614 per year. Additional pay could include cash bonus, commission, tips, and profit sharing. The "Most Likely Range" represents values that exist within the 25th and 75th percentile of all pay data available for this role.Bro...which job has a better opportunity for advancement?
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Do your time...advance.
The proportion of Journeyman Electricians in the Electrician career field is much higher than Store Managers in the McDonalds work force. The Pedean guys I know also make bank doing side gigs for private residences in their spare time.The estimated total pay for a Store Manager at McDonald's is $70,537 per year. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users. The estimated base pay is $50,922 per year. The estimated additional pay is $19,614 per year. Additional pay could include cash bonus, commission, tips, and profit sharing. The "Most Likely Range" represents values that exist within the 25th and 75th percentile of all pay data available for this role.
There are about 14000 stores in the US. And experience there translates to many other fast food businesses as well as others. There are lots of opportunities everywhere. Someone who has an affinity for dangerous, hard work would do well as an electrician, no doubt. That doesn't mean other paths can't be equally successful.The proportion of Journeyman Electricians in the Electrician career field is much higher than Store Managers in the McDonalds work force. The Pedean guys I know also make bank doing side gigs for private residences in their spare time.
I know what career field I'd choose...
Do your time...advance.
You sound like someone who feels entitled to cheap labor.Who has time for that anymore? Working your way up and proving yourself comes from a time of evil robber barons! This is progressive America. Kids today deserve to go straight into high pay and management without ever breaking a sweat.
The proportion of Journeyman Electricians in the Electrician career field is much higher than Store Managers in the McDonalds work force. The Pedean guys I know also make bank doing side gigs for private residences in their spare time.
I know what career field I'd choose...
You sound like someone who feels entitled to cheap labor.
I’d subscribe 😘Are you kidding?
They won’t leave me alone. I know I’m leaving money on the table but a woman gotta make choices...😈
I absolutely would. Making $75-80K per year managing a store vs. playing around with electricity, having to climb poles, cold/heat, etc - are you kidding? I would much rather work with people and business strategy than having to do that kind of work.If I had to pick someone from the forum who’d choose managing a McDonalds over being an electrician, it would be Riley. 😂
So why aren't other people entitled to what they earn? Or are you saying you want to determine what other people are worth?I’m entitled to what I earned. Just like anyone else…well, I guess not so much.
I can see math isn't your strong suit, but you can't pay 40 people $200,000, you have to pay the other 250 people the same amount. We area global supplier, and are competing in a global market. Pricing our product out of the market is going to cost the company a hell of a lot more than the 6 million in sales they turned away. That $6 million doesn't even amount to 2 weeks of our total sales. Yes you hate to lose the sales, but it is just a drop in the bucket of what we do there.And I think your company is messed up. They're losing millions in new business. They could pay their employees millions more and still make additional profit. Yet they don’t… instead they complain nobody wants to work.
I guarantee if they advertise those 40 jobs at $200k/year they’d be filled real quick.
The Mantra is "No one wants to work anymore!"Like Gimmered, I think you’re still looking at this backwards.
You see young people quitting and see them as not wanting to work hard. That’s only part of the equation…the truth is they don’t want to work hard in those conditions in that culture/management for that amount of pay.
You show me any job and I guarantee you that they could find people to do it… if the worker is properly incentivized.
If I expected you to do crap work with no benefits in a toxic environment for not even enough per month to afford rent… would you do it?
The other half of the story is that around late 80's corps figured out that is is cheaper to pay new college grads for a coupleof years than keep around long time employees. Those grads stick around for 2 or 3 years and then take a different job. Then the corps higher a new batch of college grads. Then as the mid nineties early 2000s it was a rearranging of chairs on the Titanic as a generation of people were never able to learn about "loyalty" and "stability". Now 20 years later the kids of that generation are hitting the workforce with absolutely no frame of reference to how it used to work.Who has time for that anymore? Working your way up and proving yourself comes from a time of evil robber barons! This is progressive America. Kids today deserve to go straight into high pay and management without ever breaking a sweat.
The other half of the story is that around late 80's corps figured out that is is cheaper to pay new college grads for a coupleof years than keep around long time employees. Those grads stick around for 2 or 3 years and then take a different job. Then the corps higher a new batch of college grads. Then as the mid nineties early 2000s it was a rearranging of chairs on the Titanic as a generation of people were never able to learn about "loyalty" and "stability". Now 20 years later the kids of that generation are hitting the workforce with absolutely no frame of reference to how it used to work.
Well, my 24-year-old niece thinks she should be building her dream home now. She's not sure why she needs to wait. She breads dogs and her husband works nights at UPS. I say, GO FOR IT!Who has time for that anymore? Working your way up and proving yourself comes from a time of evil robber barons! This is progressive America. Kids today deserve to go straight into high pay and management without ever breaking a sweat.
I don't see a lot of pride in work either. I was raised if you're getting paid, you do the job you're paid to do to the best of your ability. I started bagging groceries on my 16th B-day at Publix. Within 6 weeks I was stocking shelves. Within 6-months I was night-shift coordinator. I didn't quit until I joined the Air Force and I liked the company and manager I worked for. I didn't actually "quit" until after my 2nd enlistment, I took military leave keeping the option to return after service.The other half of the story is that around late 80's corps figured out that is is cheaper to pay new college grads for a coupleof years than keep around long time employees. Those grads stick around for 2 or 3 years and then take a different job. Then the corps higher a new batch of college grads. Then as the mid nineties early 2000s it was a rearranging of chairs on the Titanic as a generation of people were never able to learn about "loyalty" and "stability". Now 20 years later the kids of that generation are hitting the workforce with absolutely no frame of reference to how it used to work.
I think a lot of people who make things or build things or fix things still work with a lot of pride. I think corporations have gotten so bloated with middle management, assessors, assessors for the assessors, paper movers, etc., that there actually ARE a lot of jobs that just feel like doing most of nothing - and then when that job becomes 7-9 hours per day back-to-back on Teams calls only to have to dig through an overfull inbox in the evening or early in the morning, it’s easy to stop, look around and think, WITAF am I even doing here.I don't see a lot of pride in work either. I was raised if you're getting paid, you do the job you're paid to do to the best of your ability. I started bagging groceries on my 16th B-day at Publix. Within 6 weeks I was stocking shelves. Within 6-months I was night-shift coordinator. I didn't quit until I joined the Air Force and I liked the company and manager I worked for. I didn't actually "quit" until after my 2nd enlistment, I took military leave keeping the option to return after service open.
My no pics wife pics on me even at 48 for relieving my glory years every time I get the chance to bag my own groceries.
I think you were thinking way too deeply about this.
Human beings will typically do what’s in their best interest. And the fact of the matter is that corporations got extremely lazy. The majority of workplaces in this country will only give employees a standard 2-3% raise each year (in line with what you were saying). Why would people continue to take that in a market like this when they can jump jobs and get a 20 or 30% raise?
You can easily double your salary in 10 years if you switch jobs three or so times. If you stick in the same place, you hardly get any increase at all. Employees are doing exactly what the employers are incentivizing them to do.
I think you were thinking way too deeply about this.
Human beings will typically do what’s in their best interest. And the fact of the matter is that corporations got extremely lazy. The majority of workplaces in this country will only give employees a standard 2-3% raise each year (in line with what you were saying). Why would people continue to take that in a market like this when they can jump jobs and get a 20 or 30% raise?
You can easily double your salary in 10 years if you switch jobs three or so times. If you stick in the same place, you hardly get any increase at all. Employees are doing exactly what the employers are incentivizing them to do.
LOL - I'm sure you are. That's roughly 5% per year. LOLMy salary has doubled over the past 14 years working for the same company. I'm pretty happy with that.
My new job said I would be working half days for 6 days a week. I didn't realize half days was 12 hours to them.Mine did, it's 60 hours now.
what? most parents want little to do with parenting.4x 8 or
3x10
should be the norm. Gets parents back to their kids.