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Now that QB recruit SJ3 has committed to BC, any chance Iowa looks at Jacob Clark

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Only know the Rivals and 247 recruiting profiles on the young man and not sure if Iowa is looking around much at QB presently. Clark seems to fit the type of guy Iowa wants as QB recruit. Pro-set experience, play action, 6'4"+ height. Kid is in the Dallas region.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jacob-Clark-113075/RecruitInterests


P.S. He moved with his family to Texas from Kansas. Another reason why Kansas and Kansas State have shown interest.
 
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As of the time stamp on the bottom of this post "Iowa" has offered 6 quarterbacks a scholorship to join the 2019 class. 5 out of the 6 have verbally committed to play somewhere else. I think we will see several more offers to QB's shortly.
 
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Just mentions a QB from Ohio named Mark Waid who visited approx. a month ago or so. He's a solid prospect who brings a legit running threat along with his passing ability. We will likely see him offered here.
 
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With the Qb talent on the roster why not wait a year and fill other positions?
 
Of late, Ken O’Keefe seems to prefer sitting back and watching the landscape develop before making a move late based on senior film and in-season developments. That’s how he got Beathard and Petras, his last two commitments.
 
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I thought Beathard was after KOK left for the NFL.
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
I have never bought into the qb in every class thing. If they take a Qb it's likely one transfers out, if they dont it's likely he stays. I wish they would skip a class every now and then to give them a gap to sell to a stud.
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It all depends on how guys are developing ... and how the eligibility is staggered. Given the current scenario ... the Hawks may have a slight buffer because Stanley doesn't go "off-line" until after the 2019 season. Thus, it's likely that the race between Mansell and Petras will remain ambiguous until that point (assuming neither receives much playing time between now and then). It isn't until one guys has clearly separated himself from the other that we'll see a guy transfer.

Of course, suppose we observe the odd case where Petras passes Mansell for the #2 spot during fall camp. If this is the case ... it would only arise if there is clear an obvious separation between the play of the two. If this were to happen - then it is possible that Mansell could transfer early ... and that leaves the Hawks in the highly uncomfortable position of only having 2 scholarship QBs.

Thus, the key stipulation is that you don't add a QB just to fill a spot. To be fair to the kid, you chose the young man because you definitely envision how he could lead your team in the future - and you're excited about the prospect of coaching him in the future (you want him to have all the tangibles and intangibles you're looking for). I frankly think that O'Keefe has a really fine eye here ... and if O'Keefe finds some guys he really likes ... we'll pursue them fully.
 
You need at least 4 scholarship QBs on the roster at all times. The transfer rate at QB is higher than any other position. Nothing grinds an offense to a halt more than being short-handed at QB. Plus, more QBs means the higher probability of finding a great one.
 
In today's world of juco's, grad transfers, and immediate eligibility for transfers due to coaching changes I just dont think QB is a place you have to take someone every year. Especially in a year such as this where we have an incumbent for likely 2 years. Set your line at say 10. Find your top ten around the country and if you dont get one of them bring in someone for another position group. Then next year QB is priority 1,2, and 3 even if it means a juco. Just the way I would do it, many ways to skin a cat.
 
Its a hard sell this year to get a QB , but Iowa will . Like death and taxes Iowa will get a QB in every class and its important to do so.
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
I have never bought into the qb in every class thing. If they take a Qb it's likely one transfers out, if they dont it's likely he stays. I wish they would skip a class every now and then to give them a gap to sell to a stud.
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We've talked about this before, and while it appears like a sound idea, here's the catch. Lets suppose that we don't offer a QB in the next class as you suggest. Stanley starts this year and next. Petras steps up in 18 bowl prep and secures the backup spot Mansel decides its time to move on. Stanley starts 19, but sustains a season ending injury. Petras is the man now. Unfortunately with Mansel gone you don't have a scholorship QB to back him up. Would it really be wise for KF to have put himself in this predicament? Your always just one injury away from your 3RD stringer being the next man in, at this most important position. I still think you recruit the BEST QB you can each year, but not two guys, unless your for sure going to move one, (and he has bought in to that). Top level guys aren't afraid of the competition. Let the cream rise to the top, even if someone transfers out every couple of years, so be it.
 
hawkfeever said:
We will swoop in and raid the MAC commits.
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And thats hardly as relevant as it once was. There's some pretty damn good QB's on some of those teams and quite a number end up in the league. In case your not paying attention, the staff has done a pretty solid job identifying QB talent for some time, so I think I'll be fine with whomever they offer.
 
kceasthawk said:
We've talked about this before, and while it appears like a sound idea, here's the catch. Lets suppose that we don't offer a QB in the next class as you suggest. Stanley starts this year and next. Petras steps up in 18 bowl prep and secures the backup spot Mansel decides its time to move on. Stanley starts 19, but sustains a season ending injury. Petras is the man now. Unfortunately with Mansel gone you don't have a scholorship QB to back him up. Would it really be wise for KF to have put himself in this predicament? Your always just one injury away from your 3RD stringer being the next man in, at this most important position. I still think you recruit the BEST QB you can each year, but not two guys, unless your for sure going to move one, (and he has bought in to that). Top level guys aren't afraid of the competition. Let the cream rise to the top, even if someone transfers out every couple of years, so be it.
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In your scenario there would be a recruitting cycle to fill in behind petras even if mansell transferred out. For all purposes you created a dooms day scenario and we still have a cycle to find a plug and another "non scholly" qb on the roster. I get that my strat would involve more risk but ideally that scholly that could be used to bring in a non QB also has some reward to counter act that.
 
I think one factor is many kids nowadays expect to play right away. If you are a QB looking at Iowa, you see a junior who has the spot locked down for the next two years ... You see a red-shirt freshman, and you see a very talented true freshman. I think Petras is going to be the real deal for Iowa ... This kid has an arm and a lot of head smarts and talent to go with it. My point being, if I'm a QB and don't think I can beat out the current crop on the roster ... I may go somewhere else.
 
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Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
In today's world of juco's, grad transfers, and immediate eligibility for transfers due to coaching changes I just dont think QB is a place you have to take someone every year. Especially in a year such as this where we have an incumbent for likely 2 years. Set your line at say 10. Find your top ten around the country and if you dont get one of them bring in someone for another position group. Then next year QB is priority 1,2, and 3 even if it means a juco. Just the way I would do it, many ways to skin a cat.
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At programs like Iowa that implement a pro-style O that places a lot of responsibility on the shoulders of the QB, there is necessarily a time-lag between when a guy hits campus and when he's game-ready. It is POSSIBLE to have the guy be capable of being a game-manager sooner rather than later. However, for having a greater grasp of the O and being able to make the requisite in-game adjustments ... that simply takes time.

For example, at Michigan, they brought in the guy from Mississippi in order to heighten the level of competition. This was done because they don't yet necessarily have an outright "winner" chosen at QB.
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
In your scenario there would be a recruitting cycle to fill in behind petras even if mansell transferred out. For all purposes you created a dooms day scenario and we still have a cycle to find a plug and another "non scholly" qb on the roster. I get that my strat would involve more risk but ideally that scholly that could be used to bring in a non QB also has some reward to counter act that.
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Maybe I'm confused. Petras is our commit for 2018 class. He's with the team now, because he enrolled early but he's still a frosh in the 2018-2019 season. If you don't bring in a QB in the 2019 class, then you have no frosh QB in the 2019-2020 season. The earliest a new QB could join the team without a 2019 commit would be January of 2020 for an early commit and he would be a true frosh in the 2020-2021. Is this not correct? It may indeed be a worse case scenario, but its also very possible given todays landscape. Would hate to see the team get caught with theirs pants down in such a case.
 
I like Petras, but no recruit worth knowing about is going to be scared away by him. Good programs bring in talented QBs almost every year
 
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Rustys Dad said:
I think one factor is many kids nowadays expect to play right away. If you are a QB looking at Iowa, you see a junior who has the spot locked down for the next two years ... You see a red-shirt freshman, and you see a very talented true freshman. I think Petras is going to be the real deal for Iowa ... This kid has an arm and a lot of head smarts and talent to go with it. My point being, if I'm a QB and don't think I can beat out the current crop on the roster ... I may go somewhere else.
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Right now, the Hawks are in a situation where they're most likely to recruit a guy who they really like ... but also a guy who they think is a developmental talent. This is kind of how I saw things when we recruited Ricky Stanzi and Arvell Nelson. Both Ricky and Arvell were pretty high potential QBs ... but both were relative RAW talents too. I think that we could potentially add Marvin McNutt to that same list too ... although he can a year later.

Anyhow, I think that the coaches originally anticipated that Jake Christensen was going to be their "franchise" QB. However, between injuries among our pass catcher, crappiness on the OL, and issues with Jake himself .... the 2007 season kind of wrecked Christensen's development. Consequently, we had to rely upon Stanzi to step up in '08 (or we really would have been screwed).

Given the situation that we see ahead of ourselves, if we skip taking a QB in '19 ... then we'd most likely be stuck with a TR FR on the squad in '20. If a guy transfers out ... that could potentially force us to have a TR FR as our lead back-up. Even if we decided to tap a JUCO or graduate transfer at QB ... we'd be still caught in a non-ideal situation.
 
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ghostOfHomer777 said:
Right now, the Hawks are in a situation where they're most likely to recruit a guy who they really like ... but also a guy who they think is a developmental talent. This is kind of how I saw things when we recruited Ricky Stanzi and Arvell Nelson. Both Ricky and Arvell were pretty high potential QBs ... but both were relative RAW talents too. I think that we could potentially add Marvin McNutt to that same list too ... although he can a year later.

Anyhow, I think that the coaches originally anticipated that Jake Christensen was going to be their "franchise" QB. However, between injuries among our pass catcher, crappiness on the OL, and issues with Jake himself .... the 2007 season kind of wrecked Christensen's development. Consequently, we had to rely upon Stanzi to step up in '08 (or we really would have been screwed).

Given the situation that we see ahead of ourselves, if we skip taking a QB in '19 ... then we'd most likely be stuck with a TR FR on the squad in '20. If a guy transfers out ... that could potentially force us to have a TR FR as our lead back-up. Even if we decided to tap a JUCO or graduate transfer at QB ... we'd be still caught in a non-ideal situation.
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Well thought-out post ... Will be interesting to see who we are able to bring in ... I will say I like the QB situation at Iowa for the immediate future! Go Hawks!
 
hawkfeever said:
We will swoop in and raid the MAC commits.
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A few damn good B10 quality MAC QBs in the last 15-20 years:
Charley Fry
Byron Leftwich
Ben Rothlisbrger
Bruce Gadkoswski
Chandler Harnish
Jordan Lynch
Josh Cribbs
Zach Dysert
Logan Woodside

For every player listed above, I could name at least 5 less talented QBs signed by B10 teams during the same time frame. The MAC doesn't get much respect but there is some very good talent there and they make their way to AA status and into the NFL. Iowa doesn't "swoop in" very often but when they do, its usually because they have done their homework on an under-recruited prospect.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Ball State commit Desmond King IIRC and he went on to be named the top DB in college football.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Bowling Green commit Kevonte Martin Manley in 2012 and he ended-up setting an Iowa all-time career reception record.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Northern Illinois commit Ben Niemann in 2013 and he went on to start 40 games for the Hawkeyes.

So yes, by all means, I'm in favor of Iowa "swooping in" and taking MAC players that they like.

For the record, Iowa "swooped in" to sign South Dakota State (Missouri Valley Conference) commit Seth Benson this Spring and I predict he will start for Iowa before he reaches his junior year.
 
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nu2u said:
A few damn good B10 quality MAC QBs in the last 15-20 years:
Charley Fry
Byron Leftwich
Ben Rothlisbrger
Bruce Gadkoswski
Chandler Harnish
Jordan Lynch
Josh Cribbs
Zach Dysert
Logan Woodside

For every player listed above, I could name at least 5 less talented QBs signed by B10 teams during the same time frame. The MAC doesn't get much respect but there is some very good talent there and they make their way to AA status and into the NFL. Iowa doesn't "swoop in" very often but when they do, its usually because they have done their homework on an under-recruited prospect.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Ball State commit Desmond King IIRC and he went on to be named the top DB in college football.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Bowling Green commit Kevonte Martin Manley in 2012 and he ended-up setting an Iowa all-time career reception record.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Northern Illinois commit Ben Niemann in 2013 and he went on to start 40 games for the Hawkeyes.

So yes, by all means, I'm in favor of Iowa "swooping in" and taking MAC players that they like.

For the record, Iowa "swooped in" to sign South Dakota State (Missouri Valley Conference) commit Seth Benson this Spring and I predict he will start for Iowa before he reaches his junior year.
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Well said nu2u. Obviously these teams don't have the talent throughout the roster to win regularly at the power 5 level, but most of these teams are able to find players who have slipped through the cracks, much the way Iowa builds a portion of their roster. The Hawks are able to add enough 3 and 4 star players to compete with the big boys most of the time.
 
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Harbinger273 said:
I'm sure he does. BC has countless starters returning and a top 5 rb. Program is trending up and actually has a history of playing African American QB's.
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I realize as fans we have 0 impact on anything but it's amazing how many reasons we can come up with why someone would go to another program and how we are able to come up with so many disadvantages "we" have.
 
ghostOfHomer777 said:
At programs like Iowa that implement a pro-style O that places a lot of responsibility on the shoulders of the QB, there is necessarily a time-lag between when a guy hits campus and when he's game-ready. It is POSSIBLE to have the guy be capable of being a game-manager sooner rather than later. However, for having a greater grasp of the O and being able to make the requisite in-game adjustments ... that simply takes time.

For example, at Michigan, they brought in the guy from Mississippi in order to heighten the level of competition. This was done because they don't yet necessarily have an outright "winner" chosen at QB.
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Yet another example of our "pro style" (can we even say that anymore I see alot of pro teams running very college style systems) handcuffing us. How many times did we see some really athletic guys not touch the field because they could grasp the system. We say "pro style" but if it takes years to master maybe it usnt the best system for a job that has 100%turn over every 4 years.
 
Harbinger273 said:
I'm sure he does. BC has countless starters returning and a top 5 rb. Program is trending up and actually has a history of playing African American QB's.
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Haha I was just joking. I wouldn’t expect a player to choose between schools based on a head to head matchup
 
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nu2u said:
A few damn good B10 quality MAC QBs in the last 15-20 years:
Charley Fry
Byron Leftwich
Ben Rothlisbrger
Bruce Gadkoswski
Chandler Harnish
Jordan Lynch
Josh Cribbs
Zach Dysert
Logan Woodside

For every player listed above, I could name at least 5 less talented QBs signed by B10 teams during the same time frame. The MAC doesn't get much respect but there is some very good talent there and they make their way to AA status and into the NFL. Iowa doesn't "swoop in" very often but when they do, its usually because they have done their homework on an under-recruited prospect.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Ball State commit Desmond King IIRC and he went on to be named the top DB in college football.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Bowling Green commit Kevonte Martin Manley in 2012 and he ended-up setting an Iowa all-time career reception record.

Iowa "swooped in" to sign Northern Illinois commit Ben Niemann in 2013 and he went on to start 40 games for the Hawkeyes.

So yes, by all means, I'm in favor of Iowa "swooping in" and taking MAC players that they like.

For the record, Iowa "swooped in" to sign South Dakota State (Missouri Valley Conference) commit Seth Benson this Spring and I predict he will start for Iowa before he reaches his junior year.
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Plus from the last class everyone is all excited about the future and potential of Daviyon Nixon a one time NIU commit and Geno Stone who was a Kent St commit.
 
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