tonight. Of course our Nazi like politicians want to extend it. Rand Paul is going to try and do what he can do block it.
Thank god for our freedoms.
Thank god for our freedoms.
NSA spying provision in Patriot Act expires....
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We need to kill the Patriot Act, period........once that is accomplished we need to roll back the NDAA, and dissolve Homeland Security.
I don't believe for a minute that they'll let it expire.
Well maybe for some hours, but not really expire.
Well maybe for some hours, but not really expire.
I agree.
There are almost certainly plenty of provisions that make good sense. Pass them separately. And have them sunset in 2 years so we always have to have a serious debate on what we need at the moment.
Props to Rand, this is possibly the most unconstitutional law ever passed.
And thru bipartisan support. Easily passed because it played on the emotions of the American people who had just suffered a major disruption to their daily lives.
Whether is expires or not they will still do it. They were doing it before the original bill passed.
Good point. How soon we forget the warrantless wiretapping, and the lies about the warrantless wiretapping.
How do we get control of this?
How about we hire Snowden and Assange and some of the other whistle blowers that we have or want to put in jail to tell us?
If we want the US to return somewhat to the way most of us want it....these things have to happen.
1. Let the Patriot Act die.
2. Repeal the NDAA
3. Re-enact Glass-Steagal
4. Repeal "Citizens United"
5. Eliminate Homeland Security
6. Real reforms to Wall Street
7. Publicly funded elections
8. Term limits and mandatory retirements at all levels of Gov't. Eliminate lifetime appointments.
9. The Line Item veto
10. True transparency
11. Kill NAFTA and "free trade" agreements...enact FAIR trade agreements and punish companies who take jobs outside of the country thru extra taxes and tarrifs.
12. Make sure that the TPP and Fast Tracking NEVER NEVER NEVER happen.
13. Major tort reform. Start by forcing the plaintiffs of frivolous lawsuits to pay the legal fees of those they bring suits against, if they lose. Put caps on rewards.
14. Making the Health Care Act.............truly affordable.
15. Make it illegal for any former congressman to work for a lobbying firm or special interest group. When you leave office, your ability to influence law and the Gov't process stops there.
16. Make it a law punishable by mandatory prison time....for ANY person in an elected or appointed position to receive any money above and beyond the budget given to them, or any money not included in the pay they receive for their representation or appointed position.
17. Simplify and make more fair our tax codes. Close the loopholes and eliminate many write offs. lower the rates and broaden the base.
And last........Kill the Fed. And when I say this....I mean to stop paying a cartel of banks for printing our money. I know many will disagree on this....but it's simply my opinion.
1. Let the Patriot Act die.
2. Repeal the NDAA
3. Re-enact Glass-Steagal
4. Repeal "Citizens United"
5. Eliminate Homeland Security
6. Real reforms to Wall Street
7. Publicly funded elections
8. Term limits and mandatory retirements at all levels of Gov't. Eliminate lifetime appointments.
9. The Line Item veto
10. True transparency
11. Kill NAFTA and "free trade" agreements...enact FAIR trade agreements and punish companies who take jobs outside of the country thru extra taxes and tarrifs.
12. Make sure that the TPP and Fast Tracking NEVER NEVER NEVER happen.
13. Major tort reform. Start by forcing the plaintiffs of frivolous lawsuits to pay the legal fees of those they bring suits against, if they lose. Put caps on rewards.
14. Making the Health Care Act.............truly affordable.
15. Make it illegal for any former congressman to work for a lobbying firm or special interest group. When you leave office, your ability to influence law and the Gov't process stops there.
16. Make it a law punishable by mandatory prison time....for ANY person in an elected or appointed position to receive any money above and beyond the budget given to them, or any money not included in the pay they receive for their representation or appointed position.
17. Simplify and make more fair our tax codes. Close the loopholes and eliminate many write offs. lower the rates and broaden the base.
And last........Kill the Fed. And when I say this....I mean to stop paying a cartel of banks for printing our money. I know many will disagree on this....but it's simply my opinion.
There are a few of those I disagree with, but only a few. If you fast tracked that (up/down vote on the whole package), I'd vote for it.
What would replace the Fed?
We have had 4 central banks in this country. There have been periods w/o them. We can have competing currencies (true competition). If one is not resorting to sound money practices, the public can punish them and abort. The consumer wins.
U.S. Government Tracked Billions of American Phone Calls BEFORE 9/11
Posted on April 7, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog
Mass Surveillance Started Before 9/11
USA Today reports:
The U.S. government started keeping secret records of Americans’ international telephone calls nearly a decade before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, harvesting billions of calls in a program that provided a blueprint for the far broader National Security Agency surveillance that followed.
For more than two decades, the Justice Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed logs of virtually all telephone calls from the USA to as many as 116 countries linked to drug trafficking, current and former officials involved with the operation said.
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The similarities between the NSA program and the DEA operation established a decade earlier are striking – too much so to have been a coincidence, people familiar with the programs said. Former NSA general counsel Stewart Baker said, “It’s very hard to see (the DEA operation) as anything other than the precursor” to the NSA’s terrorist surveillance.
Both operations relied on an expansive interpretation of the word “relevant,” for example — one that allowed the government to collect vast amounts of information on the premise that some tiny fraction of it would be useful to investigators. Both used similar internal safeguards, requiring analysts to certify that they had “reasonable articulable suspicion” – a comparatively low legal threshold – that a phone number was linked to a drug or intelligence case before they could query the records.
“The foundation of the NSA program was a mirror image of what we were doing,” said a former Justice Department official who helped oversee the surveillance. That official said he and others briefed NSA lawyers several times on the particulars of their surveillance program. Two former DEA officials also said the NSA had been briefed on the operation. The NSA declined to comment.
This is not the only time that the Drug Enforcement Administration has been at the center of U.S. spying. Edward Snowden revealed that the DEA “launders” information gained through mass surveillance by the NSA … and then forwards it to other government agencies to use to prosecute Americans … all the while lying about the source of the information.
In fact, widespread spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here, here, here, here, here, hereand here).
And the government tapped the 9/11 hijackers’ phones, and heard the 9/11 hijackers’ plans from their own mouths. But that’s okay … spying on Americans never had anything to do with stopping terrorists.
Indeed, the entire “war on terror” started prior to 9/11. That doesn’t have much to do with stopping terrorists, either.
Note: Yes, they’re passing around your dick pics …
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/04/u-s-government-tracked-billions-phone-calls-decades.html
Posted on April 7, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog
Mass Surveillance Started Before 9/11
USA Today reports:
The U.S. government started keeping secret records of Americans’ international telephone calls nearly a decade before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, harvesting billions of calls in a program that provided a blueprint for the far broader National Security Agency surveillance that followed.
For more than two decades, the Justice Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed logs of virtually all telephone calls from the USA to as many as 116 countries linked to drug trafficking, current and former officials involved with the operation said.
***
The similarities between the NSA program and the DEA operation established a decade earlier are striking – too much so to have been a coincidence, people familiar with the programs said. Former NSA general counsel Stewart Baker said, “It’s very hard to see (the DEA operation) as anything other than the precursor” to the NSA’s terrorist surveillance.
Both operations relied on an expansive interpretation of the word “relevant,” for example — one that allowed the government to collect vast amounts of information on the premise that some tiny fraction of it would be useful to investigators. Both used similar internal safeguards, requiring analysts to certify that they had “reasonable articulable suspicion” – a comparatively low legal threshold – that a phone number was linked to a drug or intelligence case before they could query the records.
“The foundation of the NSA program was a mirror image of what we were doing,” said a former Justice Department official who helped oversee the surveillance. That official said he and others briefed NSA lawyers several times on the particulars of their surveillance program. Two former DEA officials also said the NSA had been briefed on the operation. The NSA declined to comment.
This is not the only time that the Drug Enforcement Administration has been at the center of U.S. spying. Edward Snowden revealed that the DEA “launders” information gained through mass surveillance by the NSA … and then forwards it to other government agencies to use to prosecute Americans … all the while lying about the source of the information.
In fact, widespread spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here, here, here, here, here, hereand here).
And the government tapped the 9/11 hijackers’ phones, and heard the 9/11 hijackers’ plans from their own mouths. But that’s okay … spying on Americans never had anything to do with stopping terrorists.
Indeed, the entire “war on terror” started prior to 9/11. That doesn’t have much to do with stopping terrorists, either.
Note: Yes, they’re passing around your dick pics …
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/04/u-s-government-tracked-billions-phone-calls-decades.html
The sneek and peek portion of the Patriot Act is used for domestic purposes 99% of the time. The NSA & CIA need to be abolished.
As I understand it, people can encrypt phone calls and emails. So only the dumbest of conspirators would be caught anyway. And of course the whole idea of tapping everyone's phone is illegal in the first place.
I agree this is a good thread and a true patriotic one too.
I agree this is a good thread and a true patriotic one too.
FBI admits no major cases cracked with Patriot Act snooping powers
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...iot-act-snooping-powers-didnt-crack/?page=all
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...iot-act-snooping-powers-didnt-crack/?page=all
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