OAH ISSUES STATEMENT on EXECUTIVE ORDER “ENDING RADICAL INDOCTRINATION in K–12 SCHOOLING”

[NoleATL]

Since someone has quoted OAH.org in our vaccine debate I figured I'd check out the site and its content. Sorry for the caps in title, I didn't want to re-type.

@MichaelKeller99, thanks for bringing this website to my attention.

"The presidential executive order “Ending Radical Indoctrination in K–12 Schooling,” signed on January 29, 2025, grossly mischaracterizes history education across the United States, alleging educational malpractice—teachers supposedly “mprinting anti-American, subversive, harmful, and false ideologies on our Nation’s children.” The order uses this caricature to justify sweeping and unprecedented federal interventions in public education."

https://www.oah.org/2025/02/05/oah-issues-statement-on-executive-order-ending-radical-indoctrination-in-k-12-schooling/

 

[thewop]

I agree, the language used is highly political and well overstates the issue.

Mind you I don't contend that this goes on in some classrooms, I know my 7th grader has seen heavily politicized teaching used in his classroom (because fortunately he asked us about it), but the extreme language used by Team Trump puts ALL educators in a negative light, where really it's likely a small minority.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Since someone has quoted OAH.org in our vaccine debate I figured I'd check out the site and its content. Sorry for the caps in title, I didn't want to re-type.

@MichaelKeller99, thanks for bringing this website to my attention.

"The presidential executive order “Ending Radical Indoctrination in K–12 Schooling,” signed on January 29, 2025, grossly mischaracterizes history education across the United States, alleging educational malpractice—teachers supposedly “mprinting anti-American, subversive, harmful, and false ideologies on our Nation’s children.” The order uses this caricature to justify sweeping and unprecedented federal interventions in public education."

https://www.oah.org/2025/02/05/oah-issues-statement-on-executive-order-ending-radical-indoctrination-in-k-12-schooling/

No problem!

 

[LunchBox50]

I agree, the language used is highly political and well overstates the issue.

Mind you I don't contend that this goes on in some classrooms, I know my 7th grader has seen heavily politicized teaching used in his classroom (because fortunately he asked us about it), but the extreme language used by Team Trump puts ALL educators in a negative light, where really it's likely a small minority.

Please share examples of this “heavily politicized teaching.”

 

[Flie]

They will defeat the strawman one day.

 

[jneffer]

Please share examples of this “heavily politicized teaching.”

they make white kids stand up and apologize to the entire school everyday for the sins of their race

its happening all over the country

 

[thewop]

Please share examples of this “heavily politicized teaching.”

A few examples of things my son's civics teacher told their class this year:

"Republicans believe Democrats have a weather machine in the Gulf that sends hurricanes to red states."

When teaching about the electoral college: "the electoral college is antiquated and gives too much power to the middle of the country, we should do away with it." (His job is to teach how the electoral college works, not tell them how it should be. I wouldn't have a problem if he said "some people like the electoral college because..., others don't like it because..." If he could do it objectively, but he cant.

"Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Agent."

None of that belongs in 7th grade civics, not when stated as fact.

Fortunately my son is smarter than most on this board and sees right through that stuff. He doesn't speak up though because he doesn't want his grades to go down, which I understand. These are 3 examples he shared with me, I'm sure there are more.

 

[jneffer]

A few examples of things my son's civics teacher told their class this year:

"Republicans believe Democrats have a weather machine in the Gulf that sends hurricanes to red states."

When teaching about the electoral college: "the electoral college is antiquated and gives too much power to the middle of the country, we should do away with it." (His job is to teach how the electoral college works, not tell them how it should be. I wouldn't have a problem if he said "some people like the electoral college because..., others don't like it because..." If he could do it objectively, but he cant.

"Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Agent."

None of that belongs in 7th grade civics, not when stated as fact.

Fortunately my son is smarter than most on this board and sees right through that stuff. He doesn't speak up though because he doesn't want his grades to go down, which I understand. These are 3 examples he shared with me, I'm sure there are more.

these are your examples of "racial indoctrination" from school curriculum?

 

[thewop]

these are your examples of "racial indoctrination" from school curriculum?

Nope these are examples of politicized language I referenced above.

 

[jneffer]

Nope these are examples of politicized language I referenced above.

ok...can you share some examples of things that illustrate the need for the executive order referenced above?

 

[thewop]

ok...can you share some examples of things that illustrate the need for the executive order referenced above?

Not interested Jennifer. I also didn't argue it was "needed." I certainly don't oppose it, I merely said the language in it was overly politicized and painted all educators in a bad light while the problem is a small subset. I then provided 3 examples from my own life that give an example of that small subset.

You can continue to try to redirect the discussion to make me stumble, but I'll simply remain on the side of common sense.

Join us.

 

[BioHawk]

they make white kids stand up and apologize to the entire school everyday for the sins of their race

its happening all over the country

I thought that was called "The Pledge of Allegiance", at least where they make kids stand up and recite something they don't believe in, respect, or understand.

 

[jneffer]

I thought that was called "The Pledge of Allegiance"

are children allowed to say the pledge anymore?

i thought kamala made that illegal

 

[Tom Paris]

A few examples of things my son's civics teacher told their class this year:

"Republicans believe Democrats have a weather machine in the Gulf that sends hurricanes to red states."

When teaching about the electoral college: "the electoral college is antiquated and gives too much power to the middle of the country, we should do away with it." (His job is to teach how the electoral college works, not tell them how it should be. I wouldn't have a problem if he said "some people like the electoral college because..., others don't like it because..." If he could do it objectively, but he cant.

"Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Agent."

None of that belongs in 7th grade civics, not when stated as fact.

Fortunately my son is smarter than most on this board and sees right through that stuff. He doesn't speak up though because he doesn't want his grades to go down, which I understand. These are 3 examples he shared with me, I'm sure there are more.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Nope these are examples of politicized language I referenced above.

when leaders in the republican party spout conspiracy theories in front of every microphone they can find. Pointing out their stupidity is ok.
He could have said some people believe. But it's not enough to get your panties in a bunch.
You saying "my kid is smarter than that" just tells me you have overly political talks with your son at home and given your posts on this board: are just as likely brainwashing your child.

 

[jneffer]

Not interested Jennifer. I also didn't argue it was "needed." I certainly don't oppose it, I merely said the language in it was overly politicized and painted all educators in a bad light while the problem is a small subset. I then provided 3 examples from my own life that give an example of that small subset.

You can continue to try to redirect the discussion to make me stumble, but I'll simply remain on the side of common sense.

Join us.

understood.

i would agree that a 7th grade teacher talking about weather machines and tulsi being a russian agent is inappropriate. i also have a very hard time believing that actually happened...although if you (or your 12 year old son) say so

 

[thewop]

when leaders in the republican party spout conspiracy theories in front of every microphone they can find. Pointing out their stupidity is ok.
He could have said some people believe. But it's not enough to get your panties in a bunch.
You saying "my kid is smarter than that" just tells me you have overly political talks with your son at home and given your posts on this board: are just as likely brainwashing your child.

Thank you fir providing yourself as a shining example. I present both arguments and my kids choose... usually they choose common sense. I encourage them to ask questions.

You were easily indoctrinated. Your perspective on this situation provides a lot of evidence of that. I'm not going to break it down for you.

I do not deny that a few Republicans spouted conspiracy theories about weather machines, nonetheless the way it was presented to the class made the statement "mostly false."

The fact you can't (or don't want to) see the difference a few words makes between mostly false and completely true tells me all I need to know.

Enjoy continuing to blindly vote for who you were indoctrinated to vote for

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Not interested Jennifer. I also didn't argue it was "needed." I certainly don't oppose it, I merely said the language in it was overly politicized and painted all educators in a bad light while the problem is a small subset. I then provided 3 examples from my own life that give an example of that small subset.

You can continue to try to redirect the discussion to make me stumble, but I'll simply remain on the side of common sense.

Join us.

Common sense? People with common sense wouldn't vote for a lifelong criminal and support a government leach accessing all the personal information the country has on it's citizenry. But it sounds like you did a good job brainwashing your child.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

There have been several examples cited on this board over the years where politics has entered the classroom.

 

[jneffer]

this EO is specific to "racial indoctrination" incorporated in the actual curriculum

your son or daughter having a teacher make an off-hand comment that you perceived as politically biased (while inappropriate) is not really the topic here

 

[Tom Paris]

Thank you fir providing yourself as a shining example. I present both arguments and my kids choose... usually they choose common sense. I encourage them to ask questions.

You were easily indoctrinated. Your perspective on this situation provides a lot of evidence of that. I'm not going to break it down for you.

I do not deny that a few Republicans spouted conspiracy theories about weather machines, nonetheless the way it was presented to the class made the statement "mostly false."

The fact you can't (or don't want to) see the difference a few words makes between mostly false and completely true tells me all I need to know.

Enjoy continuing to blindly vote for who you were indoctrinated to vote for

"a few Republicans"...you mean THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Every week you go further to the right.

 

[youflog1hawk]

when leaders in the republican party spout conspiracy theories in front of every microphone they can find. Pointing out their stupidity is ok.
He could have said some people believe. But it's not enough to get your panties in a bunch.
You saying "my kid is smarter than that" just tells me you have overly political talks with your son at home and given your posts on this board: are just as likely brainwashing your child.

Oh I see how it works.😎 Parents are bad because they don’t care about their kids. They’re bad if they do and especially if they’re don’t believe like you. 😵‍💫

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

these are your examples of "racial indoctrination" from school curriculum?

Why are you okay with this happening?

You would be livid if it were happening in the inverse.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

“Has uncomfortable and inappropriate discussions with other people’s kids” …. “doesn’t believe a parent.”

On brand.

You have no business being an educator.

 

[Flie]

A few examples of things my son's civics teacher told their class this year:

"Republicans believe Democrats have a weather machine in the Gulf that sends hurricanes to red states."

When teaching about the electoral college: "the electoral college is antiquated and gives too much power to the middle of the country, we should do away with it." (His job is to teach how the electoral college works, not tell them how it should be. I wouldn't have a problem if he said "some people like the electoral college because..., others don't like it because..." If he could do it objectively, but he cant.

"Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Agent."

None of that belongs in 7th grade civics, not when stated as fact.

Fortunately my son is smarter than most on this board and sees right through that stuff. He doesn't speak up though because he doesn't want his grades to go down, which I understand. These are 3 examples he shared with me, I'm sure there are more.

My daughter was taught that marriage is between a man and a woman. She's in first grade.