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Obama and Iran are new BFFs

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YEAH!! It's a FOREVER agreement. Like, they can visit each other, and like, have roast lamb and smoke hookas together, and like, fer sure, they are SO FOREVER friends.




The Obama administration mounted a new argument Monday for why skeptical lawmakers and U.S. allies should back the preliminary nuclear agreement with Iran, calling it a "forever agreement" that would block all pathways to a nuclear weapon and set up tough international inspections with no end date.
Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, in a rare appearance at the White House press briefing, used that term in defending the deal he helped strike in Switzerland.
"I want to say this is not an agreement for 10 years or 15 years or 20 years. It is a long-term agreement with a whole set of phases," he said. "And if Iran earns over this time period trust and confidence in their peaceful objectives, well then over time the constraints will, in phases, ease up, but never get lower than the additional protocol and all of the access that it provides.
"So that's the way we're thinking about it. It's not a fixed-year agreement. It's a forever agreement in a certain sense, with different stages."
Yet, as Moniz acknowledged, the fact-sheet circulated by the White House last week includes a series of expiration dates for key components of the deal.

This includes: A commitment by Iran to reduce its centrifuges by two-thirds and enrich uranium with only 5,060 of them for 10 years. A commitment by Iran not to enrich uranium at the Fordo facility for at least 15 years. A commitment by Iran not to build any new facilities to enrich uranium for 15 years.
Asked Monday how this could be considered "forever," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said they were referring to how Iran would have to submit to a new set of intrusive nuclear inspections, as part of provisions that have "no end date."
Moniz likewise pointed to these comprehensive inspections - part of what he called "unprecedented" access and transparency -- in calling this a "forever agreement." (Some of those inspection requirements still have end-dates on them, though much further out than 10 or 15 years.)
Moniz, a nuclear physicist, spoke at the White House as the Obama administration ramped up its campaign for a framework deal with Iran that has drawn criticism from congressional Republicans, the Israeli government and skeptical Arab allies of the U.S.
Under the agreement, Moniz said, all plutonium created as a byproduct of Iran's nuclear power production would be sent out of the country so it couldn't be used to make weapons. And international inspectors would watch over all stages to ensure Tehran sticks to the agreement. "This is not built upon trust, this is built upon hard-nosed requirements," Moniz said.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been among the most vocal critics in airing concerns about how certain terms of the deal last for just 10 years.
For the near term, though, the Obama administration is perhaps most concerned about selling this deal to Congress, where lawmakers are set to soon consider bipartisan legislation giving Congress a say on any Iran deal.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., on Monday reiterated some of his concerns with the deal, citing the timeline spelled out in the framework unveiled last week.
"The parameters of the interim deal, in essence, establish an internationally recognized, 10-year nuclear research and development program. Until we know more about Iran's previous research, no nation can be sure of what Iran may have developed covertly already," he said in a statement. McConnell vowed that the Senate would "respond legislatively" with the congressional review bill, which is set for a committee vote next week.
House Speaker John Boehner, meanwhile, linked from his Twitter page to a first-hand account of his call last week with Obama on the agreement.
"It would be naïve to suggest the Iranian regime will not continue to use its nuclear program, and any economic relief, to further destabilize the region," Boehner said. "In the weeks ahead, Republicans and Democrats in Congress will continue to press this administration on the details of these parameters and the tough questions that remain unanswered. We will stand strong on behalf of the American people and everyone in the Middle East who values freedom, security, and peace."
Obama continues to staunchly defend the framework agreement worked out with other world powers as a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity" to prevent an Iranian bomb and bring longer-term stability to the Middle East. He insists the U.S. would stand by Israel if it were to come under attack, but acknowledged that his pursuit of diplomacy with Tehran has caused strain with the close ally.
"It's been a hard period," Obama said in an interview with New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. He added that it is "personally difficult" for him to hear his administration accused of not looking out for Israel's interests.
The framework reached with Iran last week clears the way for negotiators to hammer out technical details ahead of a June 30 deadline for a final deal.
He reiterated his opposition to the legislation that would give the U.S. Congress final say in approving or rejecting a deal, but said he hoped to find a path to allow Congress to "express itself."
Earnest on Monday urged Congress to at least wait until June to pass judgment on the plan, while still opposing any up-or-down vote in Congress.

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Well, I don't see our boys and girls being deployed to Iran in order to 'protect' Israel. So what exactly is the problem with this?
 
Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Well, I don't see our boys and girls being deployed to Iran in order to 'protect' Israel. So what exactly is the problem with this?
It's called a "forever agreement." Are they in high school?
 
The end result is predictable. The inspections from the UN are not random inspections. They are determined dates coordinated with Iran. That is just dumb for the world.

The sanctions will be dropped and Iran will get caught within 3 months of doing something against the agreement. The sanctions will be almost impossible to get enforced again.
 
Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Well, I don't see our boys and girls being deployed to Iran in order to 'protect' Israel. So what exactly is the problem with this?
It's called a "forever agreement." Are they in high school?
The US Post Office is releasing the Maya Angelou forever stamp tomorrow.
 
Originally posted by montross:
The end result is predictable. The inspections from the UN are not random inspections. They are determined dates coordinated with Iran. That is just dumb for the world.

The sanctions will be dropped and Iran will get caught within 3 months of doing something against the agreement. The sanctions will be almost impossible to get enforced again.
Israel gets away with it too.
 
Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Well, I don't see our boys and girls being deployed to Iran in order to 'protect' Israel. So what exactly is the problem with this?

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Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by montross:
The end result is predictable. The inspections from the UN are not random inspections. They are determined dates coordinated with Iran. That is just dumb for the world.

The sanctions will be dropped and Iran will get caught within 3 months of doing something against the agreement. The sanctions will be almost impossible to get enforced again.
Israel gets away with it too.
Israel never threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth either. There is a difference.
 
Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Well, I don't see our boys and girls being deployed to Iran in order to 'protect' Israel. So what exactly is the problem with this?
The OP's problem is this agreement wasn't put together by a Republican POTUS. If it had been, he wouldn't have started the thread.
 
Originally posted by Tom Paris:
Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Well, I don't see our boys and girls being deployed to Iran in order to 'protect' Israel. So what exactly is the problem with this?
The OP's problem is this agreement wasn't put together by a Republican POTUS. If it had been, he wouldn't have started the thread.
Bullcrap. This deal is HORRIBLE. If a Republican would have made it, it would still be a horrible agreement. The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Republicans hold their own to the fire. Dems not so much.

Jeb Bush would have done this same thing. I DESPISE Jeb Bush and, if you have forgotten, he's a "Republican".
 
Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by montross:
The end result is predictable. The inspections from the UN are not random inspections. They are determined dates coordinated with Iran. That is just dumb for the world.

The sanctions will be dropped and Iran will get caught within 3 months of doing something against the agreement. The sanctions will be almost impossible to get enforced again.
Israel gets away with it too.
Israel never threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth either. There is a difference.
Instead they've just shot missiles over there way. Whilst using us as cover. Iran has reasons not to be happy with Israel. Doesn't mean we have to continue your Empire building over there because of it. Which of course is what we will do anyways, despite any agreements.
 
I think it would bug the bejezzus out of neo-cons if Iran and the USA became allies! Because, really, when you get right down to it, choosing allies is a crap-shoot. Nazi Germany or Communist Soviet Union? Israel, Iran, Iraq... the US Govt gets in and out of bed with all of them over the last 30-40 years.
 
Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by montross:
The end result is predictable. The inspections from the UN are not random inspections. They are determined dates coordinated with Iran. That is just dumb for the world.

The sanctions will be dropped and Iran will get caught within 3 months of doing something against the agreement. The sanctions will be almost impossible to get enforced again.
Israel gets away with it too.
Israel never threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth either. There is a difference.
Instead they've just shot missiles over there way. Whilst using us as cover. Iran has reasons not to be happy with Israel. Doesn't mean we have to continue your Empire building over there because of it. Which of course is what we will do anyways, despite any agreements.
Wait…..whut????!!!
 
Originally posted by strummingram:
I think it would bug the bejezzus out of neo-cons if Iran and the USA became allies! Because, really, when you get right down to it, choosing allies is a crap-shoot. Nazi Germany or Communist Soviet Union? Israel, Iran, Iraq... the US Govt gets in and out of bed with all of them over the last 30-40 years.
You'd think they'd realize that we are now allies with Vietnam, Japan, Germany, Italy, etc. It seems that if you learn to get along, good things can happen. I mean, I know, I know, we hardly have any history with these countries listed,...but I think it makes a point.
What's awesome is that Iran hasn't attacked us or killedd our soldiers like the other countries listed have. So we may be able to stop this before it gets to that point.
 
Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by strummingram:
I think it would bug the bejezzus out of neo-cons if Iran and the USA became allies! Because, really, when you get right down to it, choosing allies is a crap-shoot. Nazi Germany or Communist Soviet Union? Israel, Iran, Iraq... the US Govt gets in and out of bed with all of them over the last 30-40 years.
You'd think they'd realize that we are now allies with Vietnam, Japan, Germany, Italy, etc. It seems that if you learn to get along, good things can happen. I mean, I know, I know, we hardly have any history with these countries listed,...but I think it makes a point.
What's awesome is that Iran hasn't attacked us or killedd our soldiers like the other countries listed have. So we may be able to stop this before it gets to that point.
Yeah, but their neo-con mouthpieces like Hannity, Prager, O'Reilly, Gallagher... they perpetually preach how Iran is Stalin/Hitler/Rasputin all rolled into one.
 
problem is OP has no idea how dumb he is. Biggest problem in politics. People who have no idea what they are talking about continue to advocate. Forgive me if I don't give a lot of credence to the intelligence of a prison guard.

I wonder what the agenda is though? Is he trying to convince us? To what end? We should all become Republican like him? What would that world look like in the mind of OP?
 
Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by montross:
The end result is predictable. The inspections from the UN are not random inspections. They are determined dates coordinated with Iran. That is just dumb for the world.

The sanctions will be dropped and Iran will get caught within 3 months of doing something against the agreement. The sanctions will be almost impossible to get enforced again.
Israel gets away with it too.
Israel never threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth either. There is a difference.
Instead they've just shot missiles over there way. Whilst using us as cover. Iran has reasons not to be happy with Israel. Doesn't mean we have to continue your Empire building over there because of it. Which of course is what we will do anyways, despite any agreements.
Wait…..whut????!!!
My bad, i mean to say they would just shoot missiles over there way, whilst using us as cover. Not to mention that Israel was threatening to strike, until we reportedly told them no. I mean, as much as Israel keeps playing victim here, they sure seem to be awfully aggressive.
 
Originally posted by BrentJDiekman:
problem is OP has no idea how dumb he is. Biggest problem in politics. People who have no idea what they are talking about continue to advocate. Forgive me if I don't give a lot of credence to the intelligence of a prison guard.

I wonder what the agenda is though? Is he trying to convince us? To what end? We should all become Republican like him? What would that world look like in the mind of OP?
I don't agree with IMCC (like ever) and don't agree with his post this time either, but your post was dumb. Anyone that uses someone's job as an indicator of intelligence is, well, not very smart.
 
Originally posted by BrentJDiekman:
problem is OP has no idea how dumb he is. Biggest problem in politics. People who have no idea what they are talking about continue to advocate. Forgive me if I don't give a lot of credence to the intelligence of a prison guard.

I wonder what the agenda is though? Is he trying to convince us? To what end? We should all become Republican like him? What would that world look like in the mind of OP?
Do you really want us to rehash your resume Diek?
 
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