O'connor

[ILhawk41]

(hour and 23 minutes in) Is there a reason Iowa didn't recruit Austin o'connor very hard? I was watching the ccl conference championship and when he was interviewed he said he was looking to be a hawk but wasn't really recruited very much. He said that Ramos choosing unc was a big part of the decesion.

 

[Chopper25]

My guess is Kemmerer and Marinelli. Maybe thought Berge was ours? Maybe Murin and and a potential Sasso played a role.

 

[lookleft goright]

My guess is Kemmerer and Marinelli. Maybe thought Berge was ours? Maybe Murin and and a potential Sasso played a role.

I am guessing if he says the Hawks were not interested, he meant it.

 

[Stanley75]

What weight?

 

[Azchief32]

What weight?

149 or 157. I like O'Connor and he would have been a great recruit in the old paradigm but he's not athletic enough.

 

[RunRunShortPass]

I am guessing if he says the Hawks were not interested, he meant it.

Ok?

 

[DayHawk18]

149 or 157. I like O'Connor and he would have been a great recruit in the old paradigm but he's not athletic enough.

100% agree. He will struggle to get to legs at the next level. I'd rather have Nelson, definitely a better athlete.

 

[Azchief32]

100% agree. He will struggle to get to legs at the next level. I'd rather have Nelson, definitely a better athlete.

Nelson is improving in leaps and bounds but I wonder where he and a Sasso would fit in. LAX...make sense of this for me.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Nelson is improving in leaps and bounds but I wonder where he and a Sasso would fit in. LAX...make sense of this for me.

Sasso is 149 starting in either 2018-2019 after Sorensen graduates as a true FR (not likely) or 2019-2020. Nelson would be 157, and fill in for Kemerer after he graduates following the 2020 season. Making Sasso a 4 year at 149
And Nelson 3 years at 157. Unless a different scenario happens where Kemerer grows to 165 and Marinelli goes to 157 which has been speculated. But i think both see significant time in the lineup. On the bottom end I see Murin and Happel battling for 141, and possibly Turk if he can continue to make the weight and stay healthy.

But thats just how i see things right now, could change based on the growth or non-growth of all of these guys.

 

[anon_hc7hkvtk15hp5]

Sasso is 149 starting in either 2018-2019 after Sorensen graduates as a true FR (not likely) or 2019-2020. Nelson would be 157, and fill in for Kemerer after he graduates following the 2020 season. Making Sasso a 4 year at 149
And Nelson 3 years at 157. Unless a different scenario happens where Kemerer grows to 165 and Marinelli goes to 157 which has been speculated. But i think both see significant time in the lineup. On the bottom end I see Murin and Happel battling for 141, and possibly Turk if he can continue to make the weight and stay healthy.

But thats just how i see things right now, could change based on the growth or non-growth of all of these guys.

Are you assuming Teasdale stays down at 33? I thought I saw in here that he may grow some more yet?

 

[Omahahawk86]

O'Conner is a tougher than heck but I think he struggles at the next level. If you watch him against top level competition he struggles to find the legs.

Marinelli-never 57. He is plenty big for 65

Kem-never 65. He's still very small for 57. I think we'll see a beefed up Kem at 57 next year.

 

[nextmanin]

O'Conner is a tougher than heck but I think he struggles at the next level. If you watch him against top level competition he struggles to find the legs.

Marinelli-never 57. He is plenty big for 65

Kem-never 65. He's still very small for 57. I think we'll see a beefed up Kem at 57 next year.

I keep reading that Kemmerer is a small 157 pounder, but I just don't see it. To me he looks every bit as big as his opponents. I certainly couldn't see him at 149.

 

[Omahahawk86]

I keep reading that Kemmerer is a small 157 pounder, but I just don't see it. To me he looks every bit as big as his opponents. I certainly couldn't see him at 149.

All 157 pounders have to step on the scale and it needs to read 157.0 or lower. They wrestle an hour later. They should still be close in size by the time their match rolls around. Kem would make 149 with little to no trouble.

 

[nextmanin]

I understand how weigh-ins work. I have participated in many myself.

 

[championhawk]

O'Conner is a tougher than heck but I think he struggles at the next level. If you watch him against top level competition he struggles to find the legs.

Marinelli-never 57. He is plenty big for 65

Kem-never 65. He's still very small for 57. I think we'll see a beefed up Kem at 57 next year.

The Bull could easily make 57 so I am not sure what you are talking about. And Kemdawg is getting to be a good sized 57. He is not close to being a "very small" 57. The Bull can make 57 easier than the current Kemdawg could make 49.

 

[hawknut]

Remember, we didn't recruit Gilman much either. In fact, we gave him the cold shoulder. I think Tom and Terry can develop wrestlers. They just assumed that every kid was willing to share 1/5th of a scholarship like they were.

 

[Omahahawk86]

The Bull could easily make 57 so I am not sure what you are talking about. And Kemdawg is getting to be a good sized 57. He is not close to being a "very small" 57. The Bull can make 57 easier than the current Kemdawg could make 49.

From what I've been told that is no where near true. I'm not gonna argue about it but I trust who told me.

 

[HawkTalk3]

The Bull could easily make 57 so I am not sure what you are talking about. And Kemdawg is getting to be a good sized 57. He is not close to being a "very small" 57. The Bull can make 57 easier than the current Kemdawg could make 49.

I feel like I remember asking Alex during Iowa's first media day of the season why he was listed at 157 on the Iowa roster and his response was to the effect of: I can make 157, but it would be a bit of a cut.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Alex can make 157 "easily". Someone can correct me if I am misremembering facts.

 

[championhawk]

I feel like I remember asking Alex during Iowa's first media day of the season why he was listed at 157 on the Iowa roster and his response was to the effect of: I can make 157, but it would be a bit of a cut.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Alex can make 157 "easily". Someone can correct me if I am misremembering facts.

Some of you hang on what coaches/athletes say in interviews way too much. People can choose to believe what they want.

 

[Gobblin]

2 well informed posters contradicting each other. Interesting... I've heard both sides of this debate from folks I trust also. I wouldn't use "no way" in describing this situation either way.

However it plays out, we are going to be in great shape at '57 and '65 next year.

 

[HawkTalk3]

Honestly what do some of you expect him to say when everyone knew he needed to be 165(including himself)? Do you also buy the comment that Cash would struggle making 184? It wouldn't be an "easy" cut either. No cut is, but we all can see 184 is his ideal weight for this season. The Bull was walking mid 160's going into the school year. My post about him making 157 easier than the Dawg currently making 49 is accurate. Some of you hang on what coaches/athletes say in interviews way too much. That's all I have to say about it.

I don't think I ever actually disputed your fact of Alex making 157 easier than Kemerer can make 149. You said Alex could make 157 easily, and I shared my opinion on that.

 

[Sandor45]

I hope Champion Hawk is right.
Marinelli at 57 next year is the only guy who can stop Nolf.

 

[championhawk]

2 well informed posters contradicting each other. Interesting... I've heard both sides of this debate from folks I trust also. I wouldn't use "no way" in describing this situation either way.

However it plays out, we are going to be in great shape at '57 and '65 next year.

I will be the first to say I don't know what weight the Bull goes for next year. All I know is 157 was not a big cut when he started the season. He was walking mid 160's. His size was the biggest reason I put his RS chances at 99% or higher going back to September. I think he will go 165 next year. I think we can all agree that if Sorensen wasn't here, Kemdawg would have been 149 this year with the Bull being 157. Those were their ideal weights. I don't know how next year shakes out but Kemdawg is still filling out and growing. That is why I think he will be even better by March. I couldn't disagree more with Omaha saying he is a small 157 at this point.

 

[championhawk]

I don't think I ever actually disputed your fact of Alex making 157 easier than Kemerer can make 149. You said Alex could make 157 easily, and I shared my opinion on that.

That's fair and when I say easily it is relative to what others are cutting if that makes sense? Do you think Kemdawg is a small 157?

 

[Gobblin]

I hope Champion Hawk is right.
Marinelli at 57 next year is the only guy who can stop Nolf.

Easy there... Let's not sell Kemmerer short. The young man is improving rapidly. Not saying he's the only answer to Nolf, but Marinelli isn't either.

Or... Either one might be!

 

[championhawk]

I hope Champion Hawk is right.
Marinelli at 57 next year is the only guy who can stop Nolf.

If I was a betting man I would say we see Kemdawg at 57 and Bull at 65. Kemdawg will continue to gain on Nolf. He could take him out this year. Next year he will match his size if he stays at 57 and will become the hunted. It is a very exciting problem to have knowing we can throw out Sorensen, Kemdawg, and the Bull back to back to back. It's been awhile since we have been that solid in the middle. I hope Young started bulking last week and is ready to go at 74.

 

[edquinn06]

I think Kemerer is an average size 57 (meaning not small or big) He has big legs and a huge back. I think People consider him small because he doesn't have big arms and chest. Carton is all arms with tiny legs. I would rather have a wrestler with big strong legs. Next year we will see a full size 57 from kemmerer( Big legs and arms)

 

[Sandor45]

No doubt Kemerer will improve and find a way to get to his attacks.
I think the next time around with Kemerer vs Nolf, it will be more competitive.
The bull has the frame for a solid 57 pounder. Alex's strength and motor would more than hold up against Nolf's attacks. Plus, the bull can get a single leg on just about anyone. At 57, the percentage rate for him finishing those attacks go way up imo.
Plus, the word was that Alex was owning Kemerer in the practice room.
If Alex goes 65, there's more than enough time to fully adjust to the weight. Just have to start now or very shortly after March.
Can't wait til sort weights out til October. That's what's been hurting us.

 

[Sandor45]

I think Kemerer is an average size 57 (meaning not small or big) He has big legs and a huge back. I think People consider him small because he doesn't have big arms and chest. Carton is all arms with tiny legs. I would rather have a wrestler with big strong legs. Next year we will see a full size 57 from kemmerer( Big legs and arms)

That's some good points.
Which part of the body is most advantageous to be strong in (outside of the mind)?
I might go with grip strength first than core followed by legs.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

While I cant quit prove either one of these opinions, I do however feel like I can call them "alternative facts"

1. Having a couple of buddies who went bald way too early in college, I am of the belief anyone going bald that early is likely done growing because I have never seen it be wrong.

2. Kem looks plenty 157 to me. Also remembering many conversations with PSU posters while we were recruiting Kem, many thought Kem was a kid who had a lot of growing left to do. IMO I see it in his frame so im going with it. Sometimes the shoulders and the paws give it away.

Only exception was Cody Brewer. If you ever met him Ive never seen that broad of shoulders with that small of feet.

 

[edquinn06]

That's some good points.
Which part of the body is most advantageous to be strong in (outside of the mind)?
I might go with grip strength first than core followed by legs.

Legs which are the largest muscles in the body. Back is important, Kemmerer's back is so strong, that's why he can dive in at legs and be belly down and able to pull it in all the way to his feet. Rope climbing is great for grip/back strength.

 

[Mattski]

O'Conner is a tougher than heck but I think he struggles at the next level. If you watch him against top level competition he struggles to find the legs.

Marinelli-never 57. He is plenty big for 65

Kem-never 65. He's still very small for 57. I think we'll see a beefed up Kem at 57 next year.

While I'm not suggesting either will happen, most would disagree on bull being plenty big for 65 and kem small for 57. Kem is a good sized 57 and if you look at his build, he's not only a good sized 57 but looks like he could pack on the pounds if needed. He's a well put together kid with a great frame. Reminds me of young David Taylor build.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

That's some good points.
Which part of the body is most advantageous to be strong in (outside of the mind)?
I might go with grip strength first than core followed by legs.

I agree with the grip strength. Ive heard Clark is P4P the strongest in the room. Back in the day Mark Perry's was pretty legendary. I believe that Stieber, Ruth and Dake were also freaks in that regard as well. But dont let biceps or pecs full you. Look at the shoulders and paws. David Taylor didnt have Hulk Hogan Pythons either but what a wingspan. I like my wrestlers long and strong build versus say a popeye. if all thing were equal in talent Id recruit the taller kid about every time.

How nice was it for Taylor and Ruth to be tied up and just reach down and have your foot.

Big legs are nice but often due to lack of height. I loved how Phil Keddy could get out from bottom but Id take Bo Nickal.

IMO the long lengthy guy is overlooked so many times as not as strong and its proven to be wrong time and time again. How many thought Q. Wright just couldn't compete physically with kilgore. Likely the same that thought Lewnes was just to stocky for Jaybo. Jaybo would still be riding him if it wasnt for the ref feeling sorry.

Long story short, Id go with Paws/grip, then Length/ shoulders/frame to grow. I believe quickness translates up not down. I think thats where Cael has been beating everyone. guys who grew like a Ruth, Taylor, jaybo or Miklus carred it up from lighter weights whereas I feel I can make a case Evans or Grothus cut down to a quicker mans world.

Combine a special talent that can still grow in size and he has Casey Cunningham to teach him how to score in odd positions, That whats going on in Happy Valley from 149 to 184 anymore.

Meanwhile I Iowa City its all on our feet hand fighting. Id say only 20-30% of our lineup year in and year out can really ride out a whole period in need or even have a tilt in their arsenal. Id also say that it seems many of our elite hammers on top actaully have gotten less dominate during their careers. Evans, Clark for example. How vicious was that young Mike Evans versus the foot grabbing work his way up, later spiral rider.

I think its getting pretty obvious anymore when I watch Iowa wrestle. We are all just 80% takedown, release, spiral riders who need to catch you to get back points.

 

[wasdt21]

hope kem can make weight for fost meet.

 

[Stanley75]

I understand how weigh-ins work. I have participated in many myself.

Some don't know so spreading the knowledge is good. As much as we all know, there are some things we don't know. learning is good.