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Ok Cyclone fans, I have to admit

At least 5? So there could be what... 6, 7.... maybe 8 Iowa State defensive players drafted?

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Iowa State has had 6 defensive players drafted since 2005. So yes, it's highly likely that they have 5 defensive draft picks on this year's defense. Wow. FYI, Iowa has has 29 defensive players drafted in the same period.
 
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To be fair to you, this might be a year where you could actually mean that, given the B12 is such a crappy conference and you've got a good team within it. In years past, you could make this claim, but it never mattered at all given you weren't competing for a conference title or spot in the CCG anyway. I am still not sold on "ISU fan" in general wanting to win conference games over the Iowa game though.

I'll be perfectly honest and say I want to win the Iowa game more than any other game on ISU's schedule this year. The 4 game win streak has to be snapped, especially when the game is in Ames. It's the team that Campbell needs to beat in his 4th year, to get the monkey off his back. It's important for in state recruiting and for those of us fans that live in areas of Iowa where hawk fans make up the majority (over Clone fans), bragging rights are needed! I don't run into Oklahoma fan or Texas fan on a daily basis like I do Iowa fan. I'm not ashamed to say that the Iowa game is the most important game to me this year. I also think the Iowa game is about the 3rd or 4th toughest on ISU's schedule and I want to see ISU get to 9 or more wins this season. If we can't beat Iowa in Ames then I don't have much faith we are going to get to 9+ wins.
 
I'll be perfectly honest and say I want to win the Iowa game more than any other game on ISU's schedule this year. The 4 game win streak has to be snapped, especially when the game is in Ames. It's the team that Campbell needs to beat in his 4th year, to get the monkey off his back. It's important for in state recruiting and for those of us fans that live in areas of Iowa where hawk fans make up the majority (over Clone fans), bragging rights are needed! I don't run into Oklahoma fan or Texas fan on a daily basis like I do Iowa fan. I'm not ashamed to say that the Iowa game is the most important game to me this year. I also think the Iowa game is about the 3rd or 4th toughest on ISU's schedule and I want to see ISU get to 9 or more wins this season. If we can't beat Iowa in Ames then I don't have much faith we are going to get to 9+ wins.

Correction, for you and the team you root for, it’s a 4 game losing streak.
 
Unfortunately for you, the metrics folks just don’t agree with you at all. You can say it all you want but the metrics folks provide numerical backup for the B12 being stronger. I guess it helps you sleep at night to ignore the power ratings.

Now you're just being stupid. Comparing the Big 12 to the B1G West is one thing, but comparing them to the whole B1G? Exactly whose metrics rate the Big 12 ahead of the B1G? Please link one source. The two conferences are not even close this season.
 
Big 12 Expected Finish

Oklahoma
Texas

G Iowa St
A TCU
R Oklahoma St
B Aylor
A Texas Tech
G Kansas St
E West Virginia

Kansas

I think we’d be favored to win the league if we were in it FYI
 
Big 12 talking smack is hilarious. Didn't another preseason AA list come out today with 0 Big 12 players? I seriously think the Mountain West has more AA talent than the Big 12. If our guys got to play against that level of non-talent we'd be 12-0 again. Hilarious.
 
[Some Big 12 schools are prepping for their future in the Mountain West.

The future of their conference depends on if Texas and to a lesser extent Oklahoma catches a cold.
 
I'll be perfectly honest and say I want to win the Iowa game more than any other game on ISU's schedule this year. The 4 game win streak has to be snapped, especially when the game is in Ames. It's the team that Campbell needs to beat in his 4th year, to get the monkey off his back. It's important for in state recruiting and for those of us fans that live in areas of Iowa where hawk fans make up the majority (over Clone fans), bragging rights are needed! I don't run into Oklahoma fan or Texas fan on a daily basis like I do Iowa fan. I'm not ashamed to say that the Iowa game is the most important game to me this year. I also think the Iowa game is about the 3rd or 4th toughest on ISU's schedule and I want to see ISU get to 9 or more wins this season. If we can't beat Iowa in Ames then I don't have much faith we are going to get to 9+ wins.

Appreciate this perspective. I no longer live in Iowa and never interface with Cyclone fans outside of on the computer. I think my neighbor two-houses-down went there but she is more a fan of the university than a sports fan.

On paper, this is our best game since the last time we went to Ames and that was a hell of a game.

I would rather beat Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Nebraska, but I get it. Actually, either beating ISU or Purdue is probably a toss up for me because I can’t stomach having Brohm own us for three years.
 
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Iowa State has had 6 defensive players drafted since 2005. So yes, it's highly likely that they have 5 defensive draft picks on this year's defense. Wow. FYI, Iowa has has 29 defensive players drafted in the same period.
At least 5. Could be 8, 9, maybe 12?
 
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I'll be perfectly honest and say I want to win the Iowa game more than any other game on ISU's schedule this year. The 4 game win streak has to be snapped, especially when the game is in Ames. It's the team that Campbell needs to beat in his 4th year, to get the monkey off his back. It's important for in state recruiting and for those of us fans that live in areas of Iowa where hawk fans make up the majority (over Clone fans), bragging rights are needed! I don't run into Oklahoma fan or Texas fan on a daily basis like I do Iowa fan. I'm not ashamed to say that the Iowa game is the most important game to me this year. I also think the Iowa game is about the 3rd or 4th toughest on ISU's schedule and I want to see ISU get to 9 or more wins this season. If we can't beat Iowa in Ames then I don't have much faith we are going to get to 9+ wins.

3rd or 4th toughest? Good lord. I can see behind OU and Texas but who would you put ahead of Iowa in the remaining 10 games? Iowa plays defense, which most teams in the B12 don’t so I’d actually say it’s your hardest. Good luck scoring more than 3 points and gaining more than 200 yards against the Hawks.
 
Hmmm. Which conference won a natty more recently?
Which conference has a chance? If you aren’t making the playoff, you aren’t even in the conversation. But you know, some of the leagues are so tough and competitive that it really hurts the league trying to get a team in the CFP! LOL!!
 
The big thing that Iowa will do this year which will allow us to run the football is to have much more of our offense based out of spread/rpo stuff. Iowa State likes to send defenders, especially LB’ers, upfield at the snap against Iowa to get into run fits and/or blitz against our conventional scheme. This time if they do that they will give up lots of short completions to WRs and TE’s - Nate’s not going to be utilizing conventional play action very much if at all in this game or all year IMO
The hawks are going to run rpo with Stanley? You are funny! I get your sarcasm, but in all seriousness where is the offense going to come from?
I’m not sure I take more than two offensive players from isu over Iowa at their positions. Maybe take good-Jones and move him to guard. Jones at wr, maybe? Maybe a te? You’re irrational. Isus defense should be good, but again Iowa’s will be better. Purdy was awful the second half of last year.
 
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I’m not sure I take more than two offensive players from isu over Iowa at their positions. Maybe take good-Jones and move him to guard. Jones at wr, maybe? Maybe a te? You’re irrational. Isus defense should be good, but again Iowa’s will be better. Purdy was awful the second half of last year.
I get it that you really don’t know any better. Iowa has an elite DE but he plays just one position. How many Returning Iowa defenders were all B10 last year? I really do not know. Your comment that I am irrational is kind of funny considering what you posted about Purdy. You probably don’t realize that Purdy was 4th in the country in efficiency and had the highest efficiency rating for a true freshman in history. Yes, even higher than Trevor Lawrence. Read my first sentence again.
 
Which conference has a chance? If you aren’t making the playoff, you aren’t even in the conversation. But you know, some of the leagues are so tough and competitive that it really hurts the league trying to get a team in the CFP! LOL!!

I’m not sure why I’m even bothering to respond since you run and hide when continually shown facts that prove you wrong BUT what are you talking about? The Big Ten has had as many appearances in the CFP as the Big 12. In addition, the Big Ten has had multiple teams in there. Big 12 has had one - Oklahoma. We have acknowledged that the Big 12 has one dominant team - Oklahoma - that makes them look good and props up the conference. It’s the rest of the conference that brings them down.
 
He is a great back. And will be huge for the Bears. It is unfortunate that his claim in college was most broken tackles. That happens when you run behind an atrocious line and play in a conference that is allergic to tackling. There is a reason the Big 12 has the lowest amount of people drafted out of the P5. Jesus, the bell cow, Oklahoma, actually fired their D coordinator mid year. If ISU doesn’t win 10 games this year it is a disaster. The odds came out and they are a dog in only the Okie game. So on paper they win 11 and push Texas.

Hate to explain math but a team can be favored by one in all of its games and will likely go about .500 mathematically. Nice try though. Going 9-3 isn’t definitely not a disaster.
 
I’m not sure why I’m even bothering to respond since you run and hide when continually shown facts that prove you wrong BUT what are you talking about? The Big Ten has had as many appearances in the CFP as the Big 12. In addition, the Big Ten has had multiple teams in there. Big 12 has had one - Oklahoma. We have acknowledged that the Big 12 has one dominant team - Oklahoma - that makes them look good and props up the conference. It’s the rest of the conference that brings them down.

Youre right, Texas spanking Georgia in a bowl last year really made the conference look bad.
 
Kinky - hate to explain logic but your hypo is flawed as it assumes they will be favored by 1 point in each game. We already know that is not true. And hate to explain grammar and double negatives to you but you stating “going 9-3 isn’t definitely not a disaster” translates in the English language to “going 9-3 is definitely a disaster.”
 
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Two 1st round talents and two more draft choices gets 4th in the B10 West. Is that your claim? Once again I ask, is it KF’s job to turn out NFL players or to win? Depth and talent across the board is what matters and ISU is a more talented team. The hawks had 10 receptions from Fant and Hoch in last years game. That is 10 out of 16 total. Who is going to catch the ball this year? The hawks will certainly not be better in the passing game replacing both safety valves while the Clones will be better defensively. The hawks ran for 100 yards and needed the late drive to get it. How are the hawks going to run when they can’t pass? See what you fail to grasp is they aren’t going to be able to do either this year as the Clones will play a game and then spend two weeks prepping with a better defense than we had last year. Vegas bookmakers are no dummies and realize this game does not play to The hawks strengths at all. The only way the hawks win is with a plus turnover margin.
So actually a college coach should be helping develop kids for their professional lives and I would absolutely argue that should be his primary function working at an educational institution. With that being said Kirk has done a lot of winning. The Big Ten is light years better than the little 12.
 
So actually a college coach should be helping develop kids for their professional lives and I would absolutely argue that should be his primary function working at an educational institution. With that being said Kirk has done a lot of winning. The Big Ten is light years better than the little 12.
A College coach is hired to win. Yes, in most cases he will influence the lives of 18-22 year old young men but sending them to the NFL is not the primary objective. KF has done well in getting kids to the next level, but 4th place in the B10 West probably won’t cut it if Campbell starts getting in the mix for B12 titles in Ames.
 
Iowa State hasn’t won by more than 3 points in nearly 15 years, and you think Iowa State is going to beat Iowa’s most talented team since 2010... by double digits. Lmao! Such a delusional fan base- almost as bad as Nebraska fans.
Isn't every team Iowa puts on the Field the best since 2010?
 
A College coach is hired to win. Yes, in most cases he will influence the lives of 18-22 year old young men but sending them to the NFL is not the primary objective. KF has done well in getting kids to the next level, but 4th place in the B10 West probably won’t cut it if Campbell starts getting in the mix for B12 titles in Ames.

Why are you obsessed with Iowa? Seriously, you've got a problem man... the bold part, WTF? Do you think Iowa is going to fire KF based on something you think the Iowa State coach may achieve? I am happy that your team has some expectations for once. I'm also quite surprised that none of the other Cyclone posters here have told you to knock it off... you're making ISU look pretty bad.
 
KF has done well in getting kids to the next level, but 4th place in the B10 West probably won’t cut it if Campbell starts getting in the mix for B12 titles in Ames.

You have gone beyond stupid at this point. Suggesting multiple conference titles in the near future for ISU just shows that you have no grasp of reality or self-awareness of your own program. Plus, they could play college football for another 500 years and the Iowa coach would never have job security issues based on the success of Iowa St.
 
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Youre right, Texas spanking Georgia in a bowl last year really made the conference look bad.

Nope it didn’t but Texas losing to a below average Big Ten team like Maryland sure did. See we can do this stuff all day. Every conference can point to one specific event or game to back up their agenda. It’s easy to cherry pick things.

It’s been proven in this thread and others that since the CFP era, the Big 12 has been dominated by one team and there hasn’t been another team even close. Oklahoma has been carrying the conference and it’s obvious and stats and metrics and whatever else you want to look at point to that fact. Just because you and Texas half wit don’t want to accept that doesn’t make it less true.
 
A College coach is hired to win. Yes, in most cases he will influence the lives of 18-22 year old young men but sending them to the NFL is not the primary objective. KF has done well in getting kids to the next level, but 4th place in the B10 West probably won’t cut it if Campbell starts getting in the mix for B12 titles in Ames.

You are not very bright or you are just an unbelievable homer.
 
You are not very bright or you are just an unbelievable homer.

Might actually be an Iowa fan trying to make ISU fans look like idiots. I wouldn't put it past some of the Iowa fans to make a handle just to do that.
 
I don’t know Pepper. What is strange is this. They keep saying why Iowa sucks, Purdy is the messiah, and why ISU is just flat better yet when you raise the issue of expectations they back off into 8-4 or “at best” 9-3 for ISU when they will be favored in 10 games minimum. It all plays into the Campbell God complex. No way can he underperform. But Kirk wins 9 games and was favored in 9 games yet Iowa underperformed, wasted draft choices, KF is past his prime, but for the lightning cancel ISU wins, Iowa’s Super Bowl etc. If Campbell doesn’t win this year they won’t under him. Home game. Bye week. Best team in ISU history. No excuses.
 
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I don’t know Pepper. What is strange is this. They keep saying why Iowa sucks, Purdy is the messiah, and why ISU is just flat better yet when you raise the issue of expectations they back off into 8-4 or “at best” 9-3 for ISU when they will be favored in 10 games minimum. It all plays into the Campbell God complex. No way can he underperform. But Kirk wins 9 games and was favored in 9 games yet Iowa underperformed, wasted draft choices, KF is past his prime, but for the lightning cancel ISU wins, Iowa’s Super Bowl etc. If Campbell doesn’t win this year they won’t under him. Home game. Bye week. Best team in ISU history. No excuses.

I'm not sure where you saw that ISU is currently favored in 10 or more games, but I'm not doubting you did. I did a quick search and found the article which I've linked below. It shows the over/under on ISU is at 8 wins. Interestingly enough, the author thinks it's wise to bet on the under. Just because ISU might be a slight favorite in majority of games, there are still a handful of toss up games for ISU (Iowa, Texas, Baylor, TCU to name a few), which you can't expect to win every single one. If you are fortunate enough to win every toss up game on your schedule, then that's a special season and you're likely playing in your conference championship game in December. If ISU goes 8-4 or better, the season is a success. Not sure why anyone would think Campbell is under performing with 8 or 9 wins this upcoming season? Of course ISU fans hope we can get to 9 or 10 wins and have that special season. A win against Iowa is likely necessary for that to happen and Iowa is definitely one of those toss up games.

Personally, I think ISU does edge out Iowa and goes 3-0 in non-conference. I think they go either 7-2 or 6-3 in conference and get to that 9 or 10 win total. The importance of the game vs Iowa can't be overstated in my opinion.

https://sportsbookwire.usatoday.com...te-cyclones-odds-betting-tips-and-prediction/
 
Unfortunately for you, the metrics folks just don’t agree with you at all. You can say it all you want but the metrics folks provide numerical backup for the B12 being stronger. I guess it helps you sleep at night to ignore the power ratings.

Would Sagarin count? His ratings don't support your assertion.
He had OSU 3rd in his final ranking. Oklahoma was 5th.
Then Michigan (6), Iowa (10), and PSU came in before the next Big 12 team (WVU 16 and Texas 17). Wisconsin (25) was ahead of OK ST (31). NW (32) and MSU (33) were both ahead of ISU (37).
The B1G had five teams in the top 25; nine in his top 50.
The Big 12 had three teams in the top 25; seven in the top 50.
The B1G had twelve teams ranked higher than Kansas (worst Big 12 team). Eleven teams were better than Baylor. Nine B1G teams were ranked higher than KSU.
Still gonna go with that claim of the Big 12 being the higher-ranked conference?
 
98 - they are currently favored in all the Non games by over 4 points. They are favored over KU, Kst, Tech, by more than 7. So that is 7 wins. Favored over west va, Baylor, TCU and Okie St depending on site for the points and push Texas. Dog to Okie. You get a bye before Iowa and Okie and Texas at home in November. Best team ever. Embrace the perfect storm. ISU is really good. Big 12 is really down (what 4 new coaches?) and look at the preseason rankings. Only 3 teams top 25 including ISU? So enjoy the ride. Jesus why are ISU fans so defensive? Iowa fans were pissed at Iowa last year winning 9 games and ISU fans said we underperformed. We were favored in 9 games. I guess that is the difference in the fanbases.
 
Would Sagarin count? His ratings don't support your assertion.
He had OSU 3rd in his final ranking. Oklahoma was 5th.
Then Michigan (6), Iowa (10), and PSU came in before the next Big 12 team (WVU 16 and Texas 17). Wisconsin (25) was ahead of OK ST (31). NW (32) and MSU (33) were both ahead of ISU (37).
The B1G had five teams in the top 25; nine in his top 50.
The Big 12 had three teams in the top 25; seven in the top 50.
The B1G had twelve teams ranked higher than Kansas (worst Big 12 team). Eleven teams were better than Baylor. Nine B1G teams were ranked higher than KSU.
Still gonna go with that claim of the Big 12 being the higher-ranked conference?
Graybeard, everyone knows the Big 12 is better conference, including the CFP committee that passed on the B1G again!
 
Graybeard, everyone knows the Big 12 is better conference, including the CFP committee that passed on the B1G again!

That is such an old and tired argument, not to mention an invalid, ignorant interpretation. Hanging your hat on the CFP, in which your conference has zero wins, is pretty weak. Thankfully, Iowa doesn't need other conference teams to fight our battles. We do fine with 9+ win seasons, top 25 finishes and regular victories over ISU without anyone's help.
 
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I don’t know Pepper. What is strange is this. They keep saying why Iowa sucks, Purdy is the messiah, and why ISU is just flat better yet when you raise the issue of expectations they back off into 8-4 or “at best” 9-3 for ISU when they will be favored in 10 games minimum. It all plays into the Campbell God complex. No way can he underperform. But Kirk wins 9 games and was favored in 9 games yet Iowa underperformed, wasted draft choices, KF is past his prime, but for the lightning cancel ISU wins, Iowa’s Super Bowl etc. If Campbell doesn’t win this year they won’t under him. Home game. Bye week. Best team in ISU history. No excuses.
12-2 calling it now.
 
I'm not sure where you saw that ISU is currently favored in 10 or more games, but I'm not doubting you did. I did a quick search and found the article which I've linked below. It shows the over/under on ISU is at 8 wins. Interestingly enough, the author thinks it's wise to bet on the under. Just because ISU might be a slight favorite in majority of games, there are still a handful of toss up games for ISU (Iowa, Texas, Baylor, TCU to name a few), which you can't expect to win every single one. If you are fortunate enough to win every toss up game on your schedule, then that's a special season and you're likely playing in your conference championship game in December. If ISU goes 8-4 or better, the season is a success. Not sure why anyone would think Campbell is under performing with 8 or 9 wins this upcoming season? Of course ISU fans hope we can get to 9 or 10 wins and have that special season. A win against Iowa is likely necessary for that to happen and Iowa is definitely one of those toss up games.

Personally, I think ISU does edge out Iowa and goes 3-0 in non-conference. I think they go either 7-2 or 6-3 in conference and get to that 9 or 10 win total. The importance of the game vs Iowa can't be overstated in my opinion.

https://sportsbookwire.usatoday.com...te-cyclones-odds-betting-tips-and-prediction/
No...just stop, the Iowa vs iswho match-up is NOT "definitely" a toss up game. Iowa should (and will) win by 14+ points.
 
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