If KF and Co. dont want him thats fine but are they gonna regret this? Seems like a D1 talent. Vandeberg type WR. Starting to wonder if he ends up a Hawk as I thought he'd be all along.
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If KF and Co. dont want him thats fine but are they gonna regret this?.
Is Maurice Bell no longer a possibility?I would feel good about Buckley, Holmes, and Oliver at WR in the 2017 class. Holmes and Oliver seem probable
Bingo!Another sure fire recruit that the staff will miss on. Unless they offer and he commits, then it's a wasted scholarship. Love this board.
Watched Oliver on the baseball field Friday night. He is an impressive athlete. Good speed and showed some hops to snag a line drive.
Hasn't been much talk about him recently. He has visited a couple other schools. I don't feel like Eno has as much pull when it comes to CA guys so thats why I have a better vibe about Buckley than BellIs Maurice Bell no longer a possibility?
Half as good? If that's the case, there should never be an offer. D2 AT BEST.If he is half as good as Matt Vandeberg, then he should be a Hawkeye.
What is the hold-up here ?
The issue still is that the Hawks have a limited number of commits they can take in the '17 class and they're likely sitting very well with guys who are higher on their recruiting board. I'm sure that the Hawks are actively recruiting him and "want" him if they can afford to give him an offer.I too am puzzled by the lack of an offer for Oliver. Are there issues with grades, attitude or citizenship? If not the staff should be all over him for a verbal.
I too am puzzled by the lack of an offer for Oliver. Are there issues with grades, attitude or citizenship? If not the staff should be all over him for a verbal.
I too am puzzled by the lack of an offer for Oliver. Are there issues with grades, attitude or citizenship? If not the staff should be all over him for a verbal.
I would be very surprised if there was an issue with any of those items.
Yes. Highly doubt either Minnesota or Wisconsin would offer him if there were problems with any of those things.I would be very surprised if there was an issue with any of those items.
Martin is seemingly a late developer who has seen his recruitment blow up because he's been a good camper. I'm sure that he is a quality talent ... however, I'm equally as convinced that the Hawkeye coaches are pleased with the other WRs who they've offered as well.Martin is an elite athlete. He recorded a higher SPARQ score than Greenwood did and will be at The Opening Finals. He is an elite route runner for a high school player. He has done nothing but produce on the football field. No way he doesn't have more offers if he's from Florida, Texas, or California. If he is not a Hawk, I'll be extremely disappointed.
It's pretty clear that they do like their current offers quite a bit more than Martin, but if I'm going to trust the staff on their player evaluations, WR is going to be the last position I trust their judgment on. Martin seems like a much surer thing, from both a football and person (hometown kid that wants to be a Hawk) standpoint. I'm not going to pretend to be a scout of any sort, but I'm seeing an awful lot of similarities between Martin and guys like VandeBerg, Dudek, and Erickson (who were also under the radar guys) that have been successful in the B1G. I just don't think WR is a position we have the flexibility to pass up on a guy that looks like an almost-guaranteed producer.Martin is seemingly a late developer who has seen his recruitment blow up because he's been a good camper. I'm sure that he is a quality talent ... however, I'm equally as convinced that the Hawkeye coaches are pleased with the other WRs who they've offered as well.
Colin Sandeman looked every bit as much like a sure-thing. Furthermore, his play on film really did pop off the screen (a valid contrast to Martin). He had a solid Hawkeye career ... however, that's not to say that any number of other players might have contributed in an equivalent (or better) manner.It's pretty clear that they do like their current offers quite a bit more than Martin, but if I'm going to trust the staff on their player evaluations, WR is going to be the last position I trust their judgment on. Martin seems like a much surer thing, from both a football and person (hometown kid that wants to be a Hawk) standpoint. I'm not going to pretend to be a scout of any sort, but I'm seeing an awful lot of similarities between Martin and guys like VandeBerg, Dudek, and Erickson (who were also under the radar guys) that have been successful in the B1G. I just don't think WR is a position we have the flexibility to pass up on a guy that looks like an almost-guaranteed producer.
I'm not saying we need to offer right now and I don't care how he gets on campus (walk-on, GS, or scholarship), all I said is that I'd be extremely disappointed if he doesn't end up a Hawk. To me, he's a guy that need to be a Hawkeye, no matter the cost. Now that he went on the camp circuit, it looks like a scholarship may be necessary to get him on campus. Comparing his recruitment to those other players isn't a very fair comparison though. IIRC, the Wisconsin staff wasn't even aware of Erickson until the end of his senior year and convinced him to skip a D3 basketball career to play football. VandeBerg was viewed as a good enough player to warrant a scholarship, but the staff was able to play the GS offer because he had no other offers. I can't say for certain, but if they had the room, I would believe that they would have upgraded the offer if necessary. That luxury most likely isn't there with Martin.Colin Sandeman looked every bit as much like a sure-thing. Furthermore, his play on film really did pop off the screen (a valid contrast to Martin). He had a solid Hawkeye career ... however, that's not to say that any number of other players might have contributed in an equivalent (or better) manner.
If you mention Erickson ... he was a former walk-on for Wisconsin. You should also mention Abbrederis - he too was a former walk-on. VandeBerg was originally slated to be a grey-shirt ... and, as far as I know, he didn't have any prior major offers. Have you ever considered that the Hawks would have happily tried to slow-play Martin's recruitment? If he didn't go on the camp circuit ... they would have had that luxury too. Obviously, the Hawks have been put in a spot here. However, that still doesn't change the fact that Martin may still be lower on their recruiting boards than other guys who they're confident about securing commitments from.
This is feather in the cap of Martin ... he has more leverage now as it relates to his recruitment. Good for him.
As for whether or not to trust the coaches collective "guts" as it relates to projecting WRs ... the situation has less to do with projecting and more with the ability to both land high-quality guys and also to RETAIN them. Iowa was onto a bunch of high quality WRs ... many of whom they made the final cut. I'm talking about guys like Dez Briscoe who ended up going to Kansas and had an amazing career there. I'm talking about Michael Crabtree (yeah, that Michael Crabtree) who ended up going to Texas Tech.
Heck, Iowa even landed guys like DJK, Marvin McNutt, James Cleveland, and Derrick Willies. DJK and McNutt ended up having historic Hawkeye careers. James Cleveland got booted for off-field issues ... but he went on to prove that he was a pretty impressive talent too. As much as I'm irritated at the sequence of decisions made by Willies ... I'm still every bit as convinced that he'll likely end up an excellent WR too.
You might complain about the track record of Hawkeye WRs ... however, I'd place some of the "blame" on the QBs. Whenever Iowa has had really good QBs ... QBs who are playmakers ... guys like Banks, Tate, Stanzi, and now Beathard ... the WRs tend to put up better numbers. When we have guys who aren't like that ... the WR production suffers accordingly.
If Iowa recruits well at WR and we have good "gamer" QBs ... we might end up seeing a new trend at WR at Iowa.
You mean because they are white?It's pretty clear that they do like their current offers quite a bit more than Martin, but if I'm going to trust the staff on their player evaluations, WR is going to be the last position I trust their judgment on. Martin seems like a much surer thing, from both a football and person (hometown kid that wants to be a Hawk) standpoint. I'm not going to pretend to be a scout of any sort, but I'm seeing an awful lot of similarities between Martin and guys like VandeBerg, Dudek, and Erickson (who were also under the radar guys) that have been successful in the B1G. I just don't think WR is a position we have the flexibility to pass up on a guy that looks like an almost-guaranteed producer.
No, because they are great route runners and know how to get open. They just all happen to be white . Many receivers at the college level rely so much on their physical tools. That has been a common complaint with receivers coming out of OSU under Meyer. They don't know the whole route tree.You mean because they are white?
No, because they are great route runners and know how to get open. They just all happen to be white . Many receivers at the college level rely so much on their physical tools. That has been a common complaint with receivers coming out of OSU under Meyer. They don't know the whole route tree.
I'm sure his skin color is part of the reason why he isn't swimming in offers at this time though.
The flip side for athletes who are playing so close to home ... there is often a lot more pressure for those guys to produce and sometimes they just don't. Morris was just from nearby Solon ... and was quite a talent. However, he endured a huge amount of pressure to produce. Quite frankly, through most of his career ... his play didn't match the hype. In his defense, he played hurt for large swatches of his career.I'm not saying we need to offer right now and I don't care how he gets on campus (walk-on, GS, or scholarship), all I said is that I'd be extremely disappointed if he doesn't end up a Hawk. To me, he's a guy that need to be a Hawkeye, no matter the cost. Now that he went on the camp circuit, it looks like a scholarship may be necessary to get him on campus. Comparing his recruitment to those other players isn't a very fair comparison though. IIRC, the Wisconsin staff wasn't even aware of Erickson until the end of his senior year and convinced him to skip a D3 basketball career to play football. VandeBerg was viewed as a good enough player to warrant a scholarship, but the staff was able to play the GS offer because he had no other offers. I can't say for certain, but if they had the room, I would believe that they would have upgraded the offer if necessary. That luxury most likely isn't there with Martin.
The issue of the retainment is also a large reason why I want Martin more than most of the other guys on the board. He's about as close as it gets to a lock to stay on campus all 4 or 5 years. Guys from say Texas or California, as we've seen, don't stick around as often as in-state guys. It does no good to pull in highly rated WR if they aren't going to be around long enough to develop. Only one Iowa receiver has been drafted since 2002 and there has been only one 1000 yard receiver in that same time period. Regardless of who's QB, production has been lacking. Across the country, there have been plenty of 1000 yard receivers despite bad QB play.
A WR corps stocked full of 4* and 5* talent can get away with that at the college level. Aside from the occasional player, Iowa isn't pulling 4* and 5* talent at WR. Certainly aren't in position to do it this year.OSU is really hurting because of their WRs route running.
No, because they are great route runners and know how to get open. They just all happen to be white . Many receivers at the college level rely so much on their physical tools. That has been a common complaint with receivers coming out of OSU under Meyer. They don't know the whole route tree.
I'm sure his skin color is part of the reason why he isn't swimming in offers at this time though.
They have offered 2 wr's this week...not named Martin.Hawks Offered a new WR not named Martin.