On to tOSU

[edquinn06]

25 Gilman MD 4-0

33 no clue, either guy can win this. It has been proven that Clark usually needs a match to figure a top quality guy out. 4-3

41 after last night I have to give the edge to pletcher 4-6

49 this will be a great match. If BS wrestles like he did last night he should come out with the win. Jordan is very good upset isn't out of the question. 7-6

57 Ryan hasent looked good this year MD Kemmerer 11-6

65 Gunther just needs to get to legs, tOSU guy isn't much to talk about here so dec Gunther 14-6

74- you never know with Meyer. Jordan is very good so I give him the dec. 14-9

84- Brooks will be looking to bounce back. Martin is a very good wrestler and could easily win this match. Give me Brooks dec 17-9

97 dec Moore 17-12

285 Dec Tav 17-15 IOWA


Thoughts?

 

[UndercoverHawk]

25 Gilman MD 4-0

33 no clue, either guy can win this. It has been proven that Clark usually needs a match to figure a top quality guy out. 4-3

41 after last night I have to give the edge to pletcher 4-6

49 this will be a great match. If BS wrestles like he did last night he should come out with the win. Jordan is very good upset isn't out of the question. 7-6

57 Ryan hasent looked good this year MD Kemmerer 11-6

65 Gunther just needs to get to legs, tOSU guy isn't much to talk about here so dec Gunther 14-6

74- you never know with Meyer. Jordan is very good so I give him the dec. 14-9

84- Brooks will be looking to bounce back. Martin is a very good wrestler and could easily win this match. Give me Brooks dec 17-9

97 dec Moore 17-12

285 TF Synder, he doesn't pin much 17-17

Both teams win 5 but tOSU has a TF and iOWA 2 majors. Correct me if I'm wrong but that gives IOWA the win on criteria?

Thoughts?

Not that I have any freaking clue but it was mentioned Snyder is out of the country at the moment so he won't go. Also I think Moore majors wilcke.

 

[StParis]

Hopefully for the fans, 133 ends up a good match but Clark's shoulder is not 100% healed.

Nato wins and I'm thinking bonus points.

 

[Exo]

Hopefully for the fans, 133 ends up a good match but Clark's shoulder is not 100% healed.

Nato wins and I'm thinking bonus points.

You think NaTo bonuses Cory Clark? Is this based off of the Richards match? I think that assumption is a stretch.

 

[StParis]

Is this based off of the Richards match?

Partially based on watching Clark vs. Carpenter. I think Nate's strength and Clark's gimpy wing will have an effect.

That said, obviously this won't be the last time they meet.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Gilman will at least tech Jose Rodriguez. He's either injured or the cut is absolutely killing him, because he is not the same wrestler he was at the beginning of the season. Looks like the walking dead out there right now

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Gilman will at least tech Jose Rodriguez. He's either injured or the cut is absolutely killing him, because he is not the same wrestler he was at the beginning of the season. Looks like the walking dead out there right now

This - Rodriguez is toast. Like the lower body equivalent of an injured Hunter Stieber. It will be ugly

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Not that I have any freaking clue but it was mentioned Snyder is out of the country at the moment so he won't go. Also I think Moore majors wilcke.

Right. Pretty sure Snyder's wrestling in Russia next weekend. Assuming that's the case, 285 might actually be competitive.

EDIT: Sounds like Snyder may actually be in town for the meet. Dang.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Gilman will at least tech Jose Rodriguez. He's either injured or the cut is absolutely killing him, because he is not the same wrestler he was at the beginning of the season. Looks like the walking dead out there right now

Gilman's just lucky he's graduating, because Dylan or Brady Koontz will be manning this spot some day soon and would tear him limb from limb.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

It's a combination of injury and weight cut that is hindering Jose right now. Wouldn't be surprised if Bo doesn't wrestle since he was seen in a walking boot last week and the consensus on Snyder is he's out of the country for this match.

 

[Knight563]

Just being a true wrestling fan I hope Snyder is back in town. Not many times you get to see Olympic champ wrestle. TEAM USA!

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Just being a true wrestling fan I hope Snyder is back in town. Not many times you get to see Olympic champ wrestle. TEAM USA!

From what I'm hearing, it sounds like Snyder will be there. Not positive, however.

 

[pumpdog20]

NATO isn't going to major Clark, stop.

 

[LaxHawk174]

I think Iowa wins the dual whether Snyder is there or not.

We win 125, 149, 157, 165, and 184. Carton can win, and BoJo might not wrestle, has been in a boot lately. If Kresevic goes Meyer wins, and he could even win against BoJo, he has less than 8 matches total this year and will have a lot of mat rust coming off his recurring toe injury.

We get bonus at 125 and 157. At least MD for both. Gilman will wipe the mat with Rodriguez though and likely TF or Pin. Heck, Brooks put it on Boyd, wouldn't be surprised if he were to open up a can on Martin either, especially coming off a loss like that to Nickal.

And also Tomasello isn't a lock to beat Clark either. His body may not be 100% but his mind is, and that makes Clark as dangerous as anybody at this weight.

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

bump to the top

 

[GatorBacon]

Gilman will at least tech Jose Rodriguez. He's either injured or the cut is absolutely killing him, because he is not the same wrestler he was at the beginning of the season. Looks like the walking dead out there right now

I think its a bit of a stretch calling Gilman "the walking dead" Suriano is no slouch. I'm guessing the pressure of him running his yap caught up to him.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I think its a bit of a stretch calling Gilman "the walking dead" Suriano is no slouch. I'm guessing the pressure of him running his yap caught up to him.

Reading Comprehension???

Think he was refering to the other guy.

 

[NittanyChris]

Unfortunately, the loss of Stoll is a huge blow for Iowa. Hope he has a full recovery.
25 Gilman TF 5-0
33 NATO dec 5-3 (Clark not 100%)
41 Pletcher dec 5-6
49 Sorensen dec 8-6
57 Kemerer maj 12-6
65 Gunther dec 15-6
74 Jordan dec 15-9
84 Brooks dec 18-9
97 Moore maj 18-13
HW Snyder pin 18-19

Obviously, could go either way, though.

 

[CumberlandHawk]

Bacon lives in an alternate reality so he is right.

 

[Scryed]

My predictions:

Gilman tech Rodrigues - If Rod looked like he did when he had Dance beat dead to rights (before making a mental mistake in the closing seconds) I would have had Gilman by a solid decision. The current Rod doesn't look anything like that (weight cut is my guess, same issue MoJo had towards the end of last season). Gilman takes it to him in a relatively uncontested match. 5-0 Iowa
Tomasello dec. Clark - The second most exciting match of the night to me. Tomasello looks great right now but nothing is ever easy with Cory Clark. Definitely a match that could go in Iowa's favor. 5-3 Iowa
Pletcher dec. Carton - The should be 133 is still really good at 141. Carton is usually a goer but Pletcher's pedigree is too much for me to pick against him. 6-5 tOSU
Jordan dec. Sorenson - This is a gut feeling I have but certainly this is a match that could easily go in Sorenson's favor. Micah passes the "eye test" to me and he is my pick for #2 come NCAA's. 9-5 tOSU
Kemmerer major Ryan - Daddy's kid will get the same treatment as Smith's boy a couple weeks ago (but worse). Could get ugly if Ryan breaks as we've seen happen several times this season. 9-9
Gunther dec the kid whose name I can't remember. 12-9 Iowa
BoJo dec Meyer. Assuming he shows up, he seems dead set on not competing much this season (with two kids now who could blame him. Education, wrestling and a young family has got to be tough to manage). 12-12
Brooks dec Martin. A close match that could go either way, but I think Brooks gets it done here. 15-12 Iowa
Moore dec Wilcke - Moore is really talented and Wilcke is a step behind. Would not be surprised if we saw bonus here but I'm not going to predict it. 15-15
Heavy - Does either team have anybody solid to plug in here? If Snyder is in town there's obviously nobody who can stand with him. I've heard rumors that go both ways in regards to his attendance.

IMO this is one of the best duals of the season from a competitive standpoint. Lots of swing matches that could go either way. I'm very excited that I will get to make the trip up to Iowa City to enjoy this one (it's been a couple years since my last trek up north)

 

[LaxHawk174]

I'm hoping Topher rebounds with a vengeance after that disappointing 3rd period, resulting in a win against Pletcher. Topher wrestled great but uncharacteristically gassed in the 3rd. Completely outwrestled Gulibon for 2 periods and didn't have anything left. I'll chalk it up to adrenaline dump wrestling in the first big time dual of his career at CHA, similar to Hall. A win here rights the Carton ship but Pletcher is a very tough out.

Also would like to see Meyer build off of his win against Hall. Who knows if he's facing BoJo or Kresevic, but if it's BoJo then there one thing i've learned about Alex Meyer, and that is not to doubt him at CHA. When I saw Hall walk out I thought Meyer was toast, and we all saw what happened.

This is the type of match Gunther should win if he's going to get a win or two on the backside at NCAAs.

Also hope Wilcke can compete with Moore. I don't expect a win, but I would like to see a strong effort.

I want to see the same Sorensen come out that stepped to the line against Retherford. If we see that Sorensen again, maybe we see a new Sorensen for the rest of the season and we witnessed the switch get flipped right in front of our eyes against Retherford. Also if that Sorensen comes out think he handles Jordan easily. If the Sorensen comes out that we saw against Collica, then its a tossup because Jordan is no joke.

I wouldn't count out Cory Clark against Tomasello, anybody who does, seriously underestimates Cory's mental toughness. He looks very good despite the injury, I thought he completely outwrestled Brock, and was hand delivered his loss in a nice black and white striped package, but thats neither here nor there. He still looks as stingy as ever.

Gilman should dominate Rodriguez, and I'm sure he's personally looking to score a lot of points as he wasn't happy with scoring only 3 you could tell in his interview.

Brooks has looked very good in all of his matches except for his two losses this season. And I don't even really fault him much for the Nickal match as he was being aggressive. Brooks has looked much better than Martin this season looking at the two in a vacuum IMO. Think he takes the win here in a good match, but could run the score up too a la Boyd. Sammy has the ability to break close matches wide open.

Kemerer is a legit #2 at this weight, and he should put a whippin on Ryan who has looked far worse this season than last season, whereas Kemerer has looked far better this season than last.

I just hope to see a better effort from Holloway than against Nevills. If no Snyder is expect it to be a competitive match.

The crazy thing is that if you look at each match individually (with no Snyder) its not unrealistic to see any of the hawks winning any particular match. Obviously the odds are slim to none that Iowa wins all 10 matches, but all 10 iowa wrestlers are capable of winning their individual match. I think it ends up something like 6-4 or 7-3 win, without Snyder. I would say closer to 5-5 or 6-4 win with Snyder.

 

[Squarehat]

In another thread, it was posted Snyder would be out of the country, and BoJo did not wrestle again today.

 

[LaxHawk174]

In another thread, it was posted Snyder would be out of the country, and BoJo did not wrestle again today.

I saw Snyder wouldn't be wrestling, but with no BoJo as well it will be a blowout.

 

[Azchief32]

Hopefully for the fans, 133 ends up a good match but Clark's shoulder is not 100% healed.

Nato wins and I'm thinking bonus points.

Clark would have to be broken in the third because NATO is a TD guy and won't be able to ride Clark...and Clark looks to be in excellent shape. Plus, he's never been majored his whole career so there is that. I actually like Cory in this match because he does well against conventional guys. Plus, he has the NATO beater (3-1) in Gilman to give him a scouting report. But hey, this could end up being your Flying Tiger moment and you can post a thread telling us all how wrong we were.

 

[Azchief32]

yeah - you should have. btw - congrats. How many years of service to the great USAF?

Thanks...and 20.

 

[ohio2375]

I'm hoping Topher rebounds with a vengeance after that disappointing 3rd period, resulting in a win against Pletcher. Topher wrestled great but uncharacteristically gassed in the 3rd. Completely outwrestled Gulibon for 2 periods and didn't have anything left. I'll chalk it up to adrenaline dump wrestling in the first big time dual of his career at CHA, similar to Hall. A win here rights the Carton ship but Pletcher is a very tough out.

Also would like to see Meyer build off of his win against Hall. Who knows if he's facing BoJo or Kresevic, but if it's BoJo then there one thing i've learned about Alex Meyer, and that is not to doubt him at CHA. When I saw Hall walk out I thought Meyer was toast, and we all saw what happened.

This is the type of match Gunther should win if he's going to get a win or two on the backside at NCAAs.

Also hope Wilcke can compete with Moore. I don't expect a win, but I would like to see a strong effort.

I want to see the same Sorensen come out that stepped to the line against Retherford. If we see that Sorensen again, maybe we see a new Sorensen for the rest of the season and we witnessed the switch get flipped right in front of our eyes against Retherford. Also if that Sorensen comes out think he handles Jordan easily. If the Sorensen comes out that we saw against Collica, then its a tossup because Jordan is no joke.

I wouldn't count out Cory Clark against Tomasello, anybody who does, seriously underestimates Cory's mental toughness. He looks very good despite the injury, I thought he completely outwrestled Brock, and was hand delivered his loss in a nice black and white striped package, but thats neither here nor there. He still looks as stingy as ever.

Gilman should dominate Rodriguez, and I'm sure he's personally looking to score a lot of points as he wasn't happy with scoring only 3 you could tell in his interview.

Brooks has looked very good in all of his matches except for his two losses this season. And I don't even really fault him much for the Nickal match as he was being aggressive. Brooks has looked much better than Martin this season looking at the two in a vacuum IMO. Think he takes the win here in a good match, but could run the score up too a la Boyd. Sammy has the ability to break close matches wide open.

Kemerer is a legit #2 at this weight, and he should put a whippin on Ryan who has looked far worse this season than last season, whereas Kemerer has looked far better this season than last.

I just hope to see a better effort from Holloway than against Nevills. If no Snyder is expect it to be a competitive match.

The crazy thing is that if you look at each match individually (with no Snyder) its not unrealistic to see any of the hawks winning any particular match. Obviously the odds are slim to none that Iowa wins all 10 matches, but all 10 iowa wrestlers are capable of winning their individual match. I think it ends up something like 6-4 or 7-3 win, without Snyder. I would say closer to 5-5 or 6-4 win with Snyder.

 

[ohio2375]

I would agree with 9 out of the 10 weights Iowa would be favored or have the slight edge with a chance at winning all of them. However, I like Moore at 197 way better than what I have seen out of iowas 197 pounder this year.

 

[LaxHawk174]

I would agree with 9 out of the 10 weights Iowa would be favored or have the slight edge with a chance at winning all of them. However, I like Moore at 197 way better than what I have seen out of iowas 197 pounder this year.

You're correct with that, for some reason I forgot/overlooked Moore when I said that. I think Wilcke is a decided underdog in that match.

 

[24 so far]

You're correct with that, for some reason I forgot/overlooked Moore when I said that. I think Wilcke is a decided underdog in that match.

And pretty much every match he's wrestled this year. That's what happens when your 184 lbers go with the Big Boys.

 

[ohio2375]

Hopefully for the fans, 133 ends up a good match but Clark's shoulder is not 100% healed.

Nato wins and I'm thinking bonus points.

 

[ohio2375]

I am a huge Nato fan but there is no way in hell he majors Clark. Has Clark even been majored in the last two years? Or even ever in his college career? Clark is a two time runner up and 3x all-American, bum shoulder and all he would be darn near impossible to major in caver-hawkeye.

 

[Azchief32]

I would agree with 9 out of the 10 weights Iowa would be favored or have the slight edge with a chance at winning all of them. However, I like Moore at 197 way better than what I have seen out of iowas 197 pounder this year.

He is and what worries me about Moore is that he is dynamic vs your run of the mill push/shove 197. Shoots a lot for a big guy. I am hoping this opens our guy up because he is also athletic...just don't know if he has the diesel to stay with Moore.

125: Gilman by TF; was really high on Rodriguez to begin the season but one of the sharper fall offs in such a quick time that I have seen in awhile. 5-0

133: Tough one but going Cory by a close one. 8-0

141: Pletcher doesn't look a guy who could have made 133, has trunks for legs. I think Topher can beat him; was watching Pletcher vs Sasso in PA States last year and it was a barn burner with Sasso losing on a penalty point I think. Pletcher in a close one. 8-3

149: Has the Zain match woke Sorensen to his potential? If so, a solid win. If Sorensen reverts, it could be an upset. Got to go with Sorensen at home but Jordan is tough one in the finale of one of the tougher three week stretches I've seen in a long time 11-3

157: Maj for Kemerer if he keeps on his offense in the third. 14-3

165: I like Gunther in this by a dec 17-3

174: If BoJo, then a decision in a close one because we chose down and got the piss rode out of us and the riding time makes the difference. Slight chance that Meyer can Meyer and come back in the third. If not BoJo, maybe a major 21-3

184: Brooks has looked good but Myles is so quick getting to legs and that gives Sammy fits. But I think Sammy will be loaded for bear and overpowers/wears him down. 24-3

197: Could end up in major territory if Wilcke sits back and picks him apart. 24-7.

HWY: Thought I saw a tweet that our Olympic champ was headed to Russia. I don't know who tOSU throws out there but I'd have to imagine its a close one. 24-10

Toss ups are 133,141,149, 184

 

[LaxHawk174]

I am a huge Nato fan but there is no way in hell he majors Clark. Has Clark even been majored in the last two years? Or even ever in his college career? Clark is a two time runner up and 3x all-American, bum shoulder and all he would be darn near impossible to major in caver-hawkeye.

I believe the biggest deficit of defeat was Clarks freshman year at NCAAs to Delgado in the Quarterfinals 10-5. That's just off the top of my head, but I don't think anybody has beaten him by 6 or more points in his college career.

 

[Azchief32]

I am a huge Nato fan but there is no way in hell he majors Clark. Has Clark even been majored in the last two years? Or even ever in his college career? Clark is a two time runner up and 3x all-American, bum shoulder and all he would be darn near impossible to major in caver-hawkeye.

I have lots of respect for Nato, but has never been bonused in his career. I'm guessing that if a quick as a cat guy like guy Garrett or a strong and dynamic Cody Brewer couldn't do it who were both high scorers, than I'm guessing Nato won't be able to.

 

[Sandor45]

Micah Jordan is no joke at this weight and is a serious problem. He's gonna be a similar caliber opponent as a collica.
If Brandon doesn't bring it like he did with Zain, he's in serious danger of dropping 3 in a row.
That said, I think Brandon wins this one. It'll be close tho

 

[ohio2375]

Micah Jordan is no joke at this weight and is a serious problem. He's gonna be a similar caliber opponent as a collica.
If Brandon doesn't bring it like he did with Zain, he's in serious danger of dropping 3 in a row.
That said, I think Brandon wins this one. It'll be close tho

 

[ohio2375]

I would have argued that Jordan could beat Sorensen after watching Brandon keep all his matches tight vs ranked opponents. I think he barley beat the Nebraska(Suflon?) kid in overtime last year at the ncaas as one example. After watching the Rutherford match, Sorensen is a lot more dynamic than I thought. Jordan has a shot but not as good as I thought after watching that match. However, please don't compare him to stallica, jordan shoots way more often than that kid even thinks about while sitting on the toilet.

 

[ohio2375]

He is and what worries me about Moore is that he is dynamic vs your run of the mill push/shove 197. Shoots a lot for a big guy. I am hoping this opens our guy up because he is also athletic...just don't know if he has the diesel to stay with Moore.

125: Gilman by TF; was really high on Rodriguez to begin the season but one of the sharper fall offs in such a quick time that I have seen in awhile. 5-0

133: Tough one but going Cory by a close one. 8-0

141: Pletcher doesn't look a guy who could have made 133, has trunks for legs. I think Topher can beat him; was watching Pletcher vs Sasso in PA States last year and it was a barn burner with Sasso losing on a penalty point I think. Pletcher in a close one. 8-3

149: Has the Zain match woke Sorensen to his potential? If so, a solid win. If Sorensen reverts, it could be an upset. Got to go with Sorensen at home but Jordan is tough one in the finale of one of the tougher three week stretches I've seen in a long time 11-3

157: Maj for Kemerer if he keeps on his offense in the third. 14-3

165: I like Gunther in this by a dec 17-3

174: If BoJo, then a decision in a close one because we chose down and got the piss rode out of us and the riding time makes the difference. Slight chance that Meyer can Meyer and come back in the third. If not BoJo, maybe a major 21-3

184: Brooks has looked good but Myles is so quick getting to legs and that gives Sammy fits. But I think Sammy will be loaded for bear and overpowers/wears him down. 24-3

197: Could end up in major territory if Wilcke sits back and picks him apart. 24-7.

HWY: Thought I saw a tweet that our Olympic champ was headed to Russia. I don't know who tOSU throws out there but I'd have to imagine its a close one. 24-10

Toss ups are 133,141,149, 184

 

[JustWrestle133]

I firmly believe that Micah Jordan is better than Collica. That said Collica wrestled an extremely strategic match against Sorensen, in which he mitigated putting himself in dangerous situations. That was a prototypical Dean Heil match. Collica has clearly been learning from the low scoring NCAA Champ. I understand some people think that style of wrestling is boring. Others think it should be penalized (stalling), in order to increase action and scoring. It does, however you feel about it, work.

Now, this match between Micah Jordan and Sorensen has much more on the line. Baring some sort of unforeseen collapse by Collica he has all be secured himself the 2nd or 3rd seed, which is of course important because it guarantees separation from #1 seed Retherford. Somehow, Micah Jordan who was a top 10 PfP recruit in the country coming out of high school is flying under the radar. He has always been somewhat in his brother Bo's very long shadow (older, #1 recruit, always viewed as the best Jordan), but I remember watching him beat Dean Heil twice in High School his Junior year when Heil was a Senior, this after two years of Heil soundly beating him, three times his Sophomore year. Micah has continually gotten better. I believe Micah and Sorensen are the 2nd and 3rd best wrestlers at this weight in the country.

This is the match I am looking forward to the most. Followed closely by Martin/Brooks and than Clark/Tomasello.

BTW: Coach Tom Ryan said Bo Jordan was available to wrestle against Maryland if necessary. He is continually dealing with a lingering "turf toe" injury that he sustained in High School. Unfortunately, there is no solution to heal this injury. It is just something that he must deal with. It is incredibly painful for him to push off that area of his foot even under the best of circumstances. Sometimes, however, it is even worse and even more painful, at those times Bo has to take some time off. He has been wrestling through this injury for years now though and despite it being painful he has not let it slow him down too much.

 

[ohio2375]

125: agree 0-5

133: agree since in carver, if at osu I would agrue for Nato(thinking of his stall win over Gilman) plus he is more offensive at home. b10/ncaas I say toss up 0-8

141: agree but it's a toss up. Luke takes awhile to open up his offense but i still don't trust him getting quick escapes from bottom 3-8

149: disagree, think that was a big emotional loss he took, I think Jordan can pick him off here. However, Sorensen will be righted by the time b10 and ncaas roll around.6-8

157: after watching kremmer and Ryan I think your being too soft on Ryan. I say tech for Iowa, ryan gasses to easily and just gives up. It's the most frustrating thing to watch. I wonder if he has asthma? He looks nowhere near like he did last year. I was hoping for a huge jump from him this year.6-13

165: toss up: admittly I have only seen the Iowa kid twice and he barley shoots, same with burcher however. 6-16

174: bo sat out vs Arizona state and Illinois, two matches I was pumped to see. Since no synder I doubt we will see bo until he needs matches to get seeded at b10 and nationals. 6-19

184: disagree, think Martin wins here if he stays out of the upper body locks of brooks.9-19

197: agree 19-13

285: no synder, took a flight to Russia after Maryland match. No tavenallo either, injured for the year. Should be the most non competitive/competitive match of the night. 22-13

Agree with your toss ups but would add 165