I think his quote is science/ math. Sorry if that offends you.
One U.S. COVID death every 80 seconds...
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You're the one who is simplistic. You're so full of sh!t. All you've proposed is that we go back to normal and act like there isn't a virus. Don't try to act like you're willing to do anything else.
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*whispers* it's a virus. Not nuclear fallout. Sorry you fail to understand that the human species has evolved (and are still evolving) to withstand things like this.
Geez, it was twice as many in April with only half the infections. Get some perspective
The poster who is full of crap is the one who is just making stuff up; which is you.
Here is an example of what I was saying in April. Note I suggested face coverings because at that point it wasn’t controversial so we could easily have sold the idea.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...as-usual-right-now.313234/page-4#post-7633013
But I also warned that if we kept pushing too hard we would piss people off until they decided to ignore even basic precautions.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...-it-my-be-receding.311355/page-5#post-7585067
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Wow. So just go about business as usual and whoever dies, dies, right? You're just another Karen complaining about others who want to protect themselves. The fact that you think this is just another virus tells me everything I need to know about you. Feel free to try and act like the virus isn't a big deal, but don't expect others to follow you off the bridge.
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Ok.
Edit to add: Feel free to try and act like the world will end tomorrow. But don't expect others to follow you into a bunker.
Who said anything about BAU? Why do you keep saying that's what others are saying. Only a couple of fringe lunatics on this board are saying anything close to that.
What's your solution?
That's you're go to post, claim people are making stuff up. Could you be any more trumpy.
I read you first link. Wow, you're a smart guy. You posted what others had already said. Company were already working from home. People were already wearing masks. What happened to the old Art? Where's the guy who said schools should be closed? Where's the guy who acted like people should be protected. Now you're trying to force schools opened. Now you don't care about protecting people. You have the same disability as trump. You say both sides of an argument so you can always claim you were right.
Do you consider UIHawkGuy8 to be one of those lunatics?
My thoughts:
Masks when in public. Work from home as much as possible. Remote schooling for K-12. Close bars. Carry out for restaurants. Close public beaches. No parties over 10 people.
Typical response for a person like you. You're a trump extremist, I can tell. Everything to you is extreme one way or the other.
News flash for people like you. There are more people concerned about this virus than there are people who aren't. If the majority of the people were on your side then things would be back to normal. But that's not the case. In order for things to get back to normal, you need people like me. Until the majority of the people feel it's safe to go back to normal, it's not going to happen. Until that time, the only thing you can do is be a Karen and scream at people.
Then why are you arguing with Art. Other than schooling, your suggestions aren't that different than his.
Distance learning for elementary level kids isn't effective. Maybe middle school and high school.
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Dude. Your post was equally extreme. Look thru my posts here. I've called out Trump. He's awful and he needs to go. lol some people man....
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Wait. I'm a lunatic? Because I want to find reasonable middle ground to live life with a virus that 99% of people recover from?
But the fact is nothing was pushed hard, it was opened back up early because people like you demanded it. There were reasonable guidelines for reopening put out by Trump and team that were immediately undermined by him with "Liberate...". That led to armed protests at statehouses and other such nonsense that could have been avoided if our leadership had just followed the template and set an example. Instead, it became political with a faction who viewed masks as an imposition on their rights. FFS, if a President can't rally his followers to do something as simple as that for the good of the country....
Nothing has been pushed hard enough. Opening bars/restaurants. No mask mandates. And now opening schools no matter what the circumstances in the community. It's been an abject failure by leadership which is resulting in more spread, a longer crisis, bigger impact on the economy and greater health issues.
The selfishness of this country is embarrassing.
Welcome to another fear porn thread.
I'm glad you like it, Trad.
I figured it would really bless a piece of shit like yourself.
Boo is not worth the effort. I wouldn't even engage him. He claims to despise Trump and his supporters, but his smug simplicity is almost a carbon copy of them.
I agree to a large extent.
Opening up, however, wasn't so much the issue as how the general American population has continued to behave. Whether it be people gathering in masses to protest or people gathering in bars and not wearing masks and just not giving a f***, this is as much on Americans as it is terrible leadership in America.
Suggesting there's a pandemic problem that people should take seriously and mask up to help get this under control is not peddling fear it's peddling common sense. As this thread is evidence of, there are too many stupid people in this country who choose not to get that.
#fearporn2020, bay-bee
Because Art plays both sides. He'll say things like, everyone should distance. But then wants everyone back to work. Like I said in another post, he's very trumpy that way.
Art's the kind of CEO that would say, we take our employee safety extremely serious. Then not provide a safe environment. And when asked, he just says, I told you we take safety serious.
Someone smart recently told me not to engage stupid people. You should take that person's advice. It's funny how Trad actually thinks he makes good decisions. You can't even trust him to buy water. And raise decent kids, not a chance. If you're doing the opposite of Trad, you're doing the right thing.
I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent, but the lack of leadership, the lack of setting an example with words and actions, the lack of following a reasonable plan for opening (which was produced, but not followed) signals to people that they don't need to take it seriously. It sets the stage for people to justify doing what they want, rather than what they should. If the open up plan had been followed diligently, if our leaders had encouraged/mandated masks and worn them, if the message to the people is this is serious, we would be in far, far better shape right now.
Don’t blame me that my ideas weren’t pushed hard by our leaders. All I could do was contribute to the national dialogue. And don’t blame me for correctly identifying what was going to happen.
Wow are you just like trump. You love to take credit for ideas of others. And then you don't even follow them. You have the exact same disorder(s) that trump has.
Yes you are a lunatic. Notice how Finance didn't respond to my question. It's because he agrees you are a lunatic. Maybe you and Art can meet up at Walmart and tell everyone how it's a free country.
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You’ve really gone off the rails here. It’s as if you’re doing everything you can to prove my point that you don’t want to have a serious discussion - you just want to rant and make stuff up.
I didn't respond because I try not to get into name calling at specific posters. It's not productive.
Just went to CDC to get an update on demographics of those dying.
85+ 32.1%
75-84 26.3%
65-74 21.1%
50-64 15.6%
40-49 3.2%
30-39 1.3%
18-29 0.5%
Under 18 Under 0.1%
The risk of opening schools is not to the children; the risk is spread to at-risk adults. Nobody, anywhere, has said schools should be opened without taking precautionary measures. To my knowledge, nobody, anywhere, is going to force a child to attend school in person.
Lol - you didn't in any way correctly identify what was going to happen. You advocated for wide spread and complete opening. It went that way because there was no leadership and it's resulted in a shitshow. Others, who were advocating for slower opening with more precautions (masks, testing/tracing, distancing, bars/restaurants limited significantly) we're chastised by you and told the American people wouldn't stand for it. That plan was never promoted by leadership so there was not even a chance for the revolt you predicted. Instead, the foolishness was passively endorsed by Trump and other leaders - now we have a situation where there is no end in site. This will damage the US economy further while also putting people's health at risk.
Your claim of being "right" is much like Trump declaring himself to be correct when everyone knows better.
???? Trump and Reynolds are just two that are advocating opening of schools no matter what. There is no plan for teachers or students to opt out. Only threats of funding being withheld if schools aren't opened.
All completely and demonstrably false. I was the one who said we would get no leadership from Trump and that states needed to start being strategic in how to handle things, with the understanding that they were on their own.
BS. You said the states should be opening up, that the economic damage would cause worse health issues than the virus. That schools need to be open. You didn't advocate widespread testing/tracing that is needed to open up, especially schools. You didn't advocate a mask mandate. You didn't advocate keeping bars closed and restaurants to take out.
The only discussion you want is you telling everyone how you're right and everyone else is wrong. When in fact you're not getting what you want because most people don't agree with you.
There are a number of posters on here, Art for example, who want schools fully opened. Art may say he's willing to take precautionary measures, but then will say it's more important to open the schools and put people at risk. This is where he's like trump, says two things so he can claim both sides of an argument.
The fact you didn't dispute my claim about a poster being a lunatic, just shows you feel he/she is.
Trump has nothing to do with mandating in person K-12 Education.
I think you are mistaken about Reynolds and Iowa.
https://educateiowa.gov/sites/files/ed/documents/2020-07-17_SF_2310_Guidance.v2.pdf
Sorry, but you don't get to judge my feelings about people.
Lets show an example of how this can go.
Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, mandated that all schools reopen for in person learning. People heard that, and never went beyond that. In fact, DeSantis did make that order, but he also gave 2 other choices as well. He simply wanted in-person learning to be an option. Each district was required to provide a plan to the state on how they would handle this. Meanwhile, people all over the country were outraged at DeSantis, and there was even a thread on this board.
Too many people are caught up in the headlines, or the first sentence in a paragraph, and let their initial outrage take over.
It seems like I spend half my time on this board defending my posts from people who want to read something into my posts that isn't there, or not reading what is there.
There are very few people on this board whom I think are idiots. There are quite a few I disagree with, but for me it's usually just a different opinion, or more likely a difference in perspective based on background.
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This thread is a perfect dichotomy of why the USA is having the worst outcome than anywhere else in the world with the Covid-19 virus.
His leadership and example have everything to do with it. Suggesting otherwise is absurd.
