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Opinion Are Democratic attacks on the GOP over democracy missing their mark?

cigaretteman

HR King
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By Greg Sargent
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Paul Waldman

May 23, 2022 at 6:18 p.m. EDT

Another set of GOP primaries takes place Tuesday, most notably in Georgia, where incumbent Gov. Brian Kemp will likely hold off a challenge from former senator David Perdue, whose campaign is largely based on the idea that Kemp failed to help President Donald Trump steal the 2020 election.
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But in the race for secretary of state, Trump-backed Rep. Jody Hice could win, and could end up overseeing the 2024 election in this vital swing state. And in other secretary of state primaries Tuesday, such as in Arkansas and Alabama, Republicans might nominate Trump loyalists who pose a genuine threat to our ability to conduct fair elections and have our votes counted.
Yet Democrats have yet to convince the public to take the threat seriously enough.
A new set of focus groups run by Democratic pollster David Binder from May 10 to May 12 illustrates the point. The research raises a question: Are Democrats getting their criticism of the GOP abandonment of democracy right?
Binder conducted four focus groups in Georgia and two in Michigan, mostly with suburban voters, independents and moderates who have voted for candidates in both parties. The groups were commissioned by the Democratic-aligned voting rights organization IVote to determine what voters want to hear from Democratic candidates for secretary of state.
The results are worrying when it comes to democracy — but also suggest a way forward for Democrats.
For instance, according to a summary of the results of all six focus groups provided to us, they found that most of the voters surveyed appear conflicted about rhetoric that calls out Trump’s “big lie” about 2020 and frames all discussion of it around his efforts to overturn his loss.
On the one hand, most of these voters agree with the substance of those claims. On the other, most of them tend to interpret it as partisan rhetoric.
The focus groups do find that voters understand the need for a secretary of state to talk about 2020. But the research concludes that voters want to hear an emphasis on nonpartisan procedural improvements, and that, above all, they want to hear discussion of “proactive measures” a secretary of state will take to “ensure transparency and fairness in future elections.”
“When we talk about the ‘big lie’ and Trump, it looks to them like you’re looking backwards and getting partisan," Binder told us. “They want a secretary of state to say, ‘I am going to make sure that everyone has the right to vote in a nonpartisan way.’ ”
Importantly, the focus groups show strong voter support for removing measures that make it harder to vote. Yet, at the same time, they show that these swing voters don’t tend to see voter suppression as an effort to “subvert democracy.”
All of which suggests several possibilities.
One of them is galling: Republicans have largely treated congressional efforts to probe Trump’s effort to destroy our political order as an illegitimate partisan exercise. This may be successfully recasting the dispute over what to do about it as a conventional partisan one.
The second possibility might be that if Democratic candidates for secretary of state want to warn about the threat posed by would-be election saboteurs, they need to make this case in a more urgent fashion.
Talk about the “big lie” sounds backward looking, smacking of an effort to relitigate a past outcome. By contrast, highlighting the specific ways Republicans are gearing up to steal the next election might sound more relevant.
“We cannot be quiet in the face of Republicans saying they’re going to change rules in a way that will sabotage future elections,” Binder told us. “Do it in a way that looks forward."
In truth, the backward-looking and forward-looking arguments are two sides of the same coin: When a GOP candidate announces his conviction that Trump won in 2020, that’s strong evidence that they will try to steal the 2024 election for him (or another GOP loser). But it can be hard to prove this, because the rhetoric of even the most deranged election saboteurs is clothed in high-minded claims about “transparency" and “integrity.”
Nevertheless, if voters are more interested in the future than the past, then they are focusing in the right direction. Many Trump loyalists seeking positions of control over election positions — especially governor and secretary of state — accept the presumption that only Republican victories are legitimate, and if voters decide to elect Democrats then they must simply be overruled.
Which is something all voters should be worried about. And if they aren’t, Democrats have a duty to make sure they understand the true stakes we face. In future elections.

 
Is gas expensive ?
Is inflation high ?
Do I have a job ?
How is my 401k doing ?

These are the questions a good 85% of the country asks themselves when voting. If all that is good they will consider social issues.

both parties over think it.

you may not like it but come November you will see it.
 
Is gas expensive ?
Is inflation high ?
Do I have a job ?
How is my 401k doing ?

These are the questions a good 85% of the country asks themselves when voting. If all that is good they will consider social issues.

both parties over think it.

you may not like it but come November you will see it.
The election of 2020 disproves your assertion. If your a big enough ass hole, folks will turn out to turn you out. 2020 was an election that only an ass hole like Trump could have lost.
 
It is not so much that they've missed their mark. It's that having hit it some time ago, people are becoming less interested in seeing it hit again and again and again. In politics, you simply can't squeeze juice out of a single orange forever. At some point you have to throw the rind out, or at least recognize that there are only a handful of people (your base) who are interested in continuing to try to suck on it.
 
D’s have to learn to stop exaggerating and hyperventilating about everything. The boy who cried wolf syndrome….

The Georgia voter law is exhibit A.
 
I don't know about missing the mark, but as another poster mentioned, the more immediate issues like gas prices and grocery prices are going to have far more influence on voters. That doesn't mean they should ignore the issue because ultimately it is the biggest long-term issue there is. Most people just don't think in the long term. So, Democrats need to make it a feature, but not the only feature. They also need to address the issues that are immediately affecting the voters. They need to have at least an outline of a plan of how to deal with those problems, and then they need to point out that Republicans have and will block every attempt to deal with those problems. Even then they will fail to get the attention of 40%-ish of the country who only listen to right wing media.
 
The election of 2020 disproves your assertion. If your a big enough ass hole, folks will turn out to turn you out. 2020 was an election that only an ass hole like Trump could have lost.
Well that’s over. “He isn’t Trump” isn’t going to win anything this time around.

when you are the party in power you have to run on your record. “Promises” are the weapons of the challengers.
 
Well that’s over. “He isn’t Trump” isn’t going to win anything this time around.

when you are the party in power you have to run on your record. “Promises” are the weapons of the challengers.
The point is, I could have won with Trump’s record. Trump lost because he pissed off 8 million more people than liked him.
 
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Is gas expensive ?
Is inflation high ?
Do I have a job ?
How is my 401k doing ?

These are the questions a good 85% of the country asks themselves when voting. If all that is good they will consider social issues.

both parties over think it.

you may not like it but come November you will see it.
That and Brandon and the Dims have delivered on exactly ZERO of the campaign lies.
 
The election of 2020 disproves your assertion. If your a big enough ass hole, folks will turn out to turn you out. 2020 was an election that only an ass hole like Trump could have lost.
Wrong....they turned out because of all the free shit they were lied to about if the voted for Daddy B and Queen Dumbo, and all the lies about the "Trump Virus."
 
The point is, I could have won with Trump’s record. Trump lost because he pissed off 8 million more people than liked him.
So you're saying people are stupid? Cut off your nose to spite your face? Boy they sure showed the ole Don, didn't they?!
 
The point is, I could have won with Trump’s record. Trump lost because he pissed off 8 million more people than liked him.
Not going to help in November.

he couldn’t even hammer the rich. The bedrock of his campaign.
 
“Free shit”?
Wtf you talkin’ about?
I hope that's an act! lol I can't tell you how many people have told me the only reason their kid(s) for Bidumb is because they though their student loans would go away. It's pointless to go any further with you, Dennis Denial!
 
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A year and a half of “Another witness will take the stand! This one is gonna be it!” After two years of “The next Russian stuff in the Mueller report is gonna be the big one to get rid of Trump!” is not missing the mark. It’s ruthlessly beating a dead horse and having ZERO things in your bag that people give a shit about.
 
It has always seemed to me both parties would have more success saying things like “that person is a moron and not to be taken seriously” instead of “that person is a Russian asset, Hitler, responsible for murder of children, etc”.
 
Gas prices will drop like a rock between August & November. If it works, the pain will resume as intended.

Politics are the dirtiest game at the moment, and it's only going to get worse.
 
The election of the president is not determined by the popular vote. He won by a razon thin electoral margin in a few states because the Democrats ran an even more unlikeable candidate...
???
You and I have different takes on “ unlikeable” then...only a jerk like Trump could have lost his 2020 re-election. Truly, Trump snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and I still smile thinking of that! Never before in my life have I witnessed such a thing.
 
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I don't know about missing the mark, but as another poster mentioned, the more immediate issues like gas prices and grocery prices are going to have far more influence on voters. That doesn't mean they should ignore the issue because ultimately it is the biggest long-term issue there is. Most people just don't think in the long term. So, Democrats need to make it a feature, but not the only feature. They also need to address the issues that are immediately affecting the voters. They need to have at least an outline of a plan of how to deal with those problems, and then they need to point out that Republicans have and will block every attempt to deal with those problems. Even then they will fail to get the attention of 40%-ish of the country who only listen to right wing media.
Are you referring to the dems solutions for fighting inflation and high gas prices by raising taxes and spending more money? (student loan forgiveness) Preventing more drilling to lower gas prices, are those the solutions the Republicans are blocking?
 
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