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Opinion One of MAGA’s biggest fantasies faces a brutal reality check

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Republicans have long insisted that a GOP-controlled House would not vote on anything related to immigration until the border was “secure.” This vow embodies a larger, MAGA-approved message: A GOP House will wield absolute control over the immigration debate. The border will be secured on Republican terms only, with no compromises on “amnesty.” The party’s over, “open borders Democrats”!


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This little fantasy is now getting a serious reality check. And it’s coming from among Republicans themselves — on two fronts.
First, Rep. Nancy Mace (S.C.) warned this week that House Republicans should forget about passing a bill that’s focused solely on border security, which Republicans had planned for a vote. Mace declared the only way forward on immigration is to negotiate with the Democratic-controlled Senate on a bigger package.






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“It will be very hard to do immigration again — it will never pass the Senate, if we’re only talking border security,” Mace told The Post’s Leigh Ann Caldwell.

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Mace said her district would benefit from letting more migrants work here legally, and she warned against “ignoring” the full range of immigration challenges the country faces. She derided the border-only bill as “tone deaf.”
That’s no small thing. Mace, a lapsed MAGA devotee, is telling fellow Republicans that “securing the border” in isolation and on their own terms, as a real-world policy goal, is basically nonsensical and will never happen.
The second reality check came in this Punchbowl News report, which says House Republicans are postponing a vote on that border-only bill. As Punchbowl notes, GOP leaders are “still trying to round up support” for that and another border bill, meaning they don’t have the votes for it right now.



The border bill in question appears to be a remarkably radical proposal. According to an analysis by numerous immigration groups, it would require the Homeland Security secretary to close the border entirely to all asylum seekers unless they were all either detained or returned to wait in Mexico for their hearings.
Tom Jawetz, a former senior DHS lawyer, notes that the bill would effectively close down the ability of asylum seekers to have their cases heard, because detaining or returning all such migrants to Mexico is operationally impossible.
“It’s very clear the goal of the bill is to end asylum indefinitely, by setting up conditions the government could never possibly meet,” Jawetz told me.

What this proposal shows is that GOP ideas of “border security” often exist in a land of make believe. Here’s the reality: Migrants have a legal right to apply for asylum. Many arriving are unaccompanied children. Because we aren’t detaining or expelling all of them, honoring that legal right inevitably means many will be released into the interior. This bill envisions a kind of border security nirvana where none of these complexities need to be acknowledged.


But now that House Republicans must vote on actual proposals to realize their vision, suddenly that isn’t so easy to do. Even if this bill does eventually pass the House, as it very well might, Mace’s reality blast strongly suggests that moderate Republicans will be reluctant to vote on it and fear Democratic attacks over its extremism.
What’s more, the bill would apply to migrants fleeing authoritarianism or communism, which might be problematic for some House Republicans. In fact, in addition to Mace, other Republicans have expressed doubt, such as Reps. Tony Gonzales (Tex.) and Maria Elvira Salazar (Fla.).

Finally, as Mace rightly noted, it’s dead on arrival in the Senate anyway. Republicans who say they want “border security” will have to compromise.
One possibility might be the bill negotiated by Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) and Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), which would legalize 2 million “dreamers” brought here as children and rationalize our asylum system along lines that Republicans should be able to accept.


The truth is that some Republicans do want to fix certain aspects of the system — for instance, by fixing the farmworkers visa program. This, along with reforming the asylum system, could form the basis of real talks. Will the House GOP leadership allow this to happen?

It might be that House Republicans can reasonably hope passing a wildly extreme border bill could increase their leverage in such talks. Democrats might ultimately feel pressure to accept very onerous security measures in exchange for reforms they want.
But the bottom line is this: If and when House Republicans do enter into such negotiations, they will have to seriously consider asylum reform. They will have to seriously consider “amnestying” dreamers and other undocumented immigrants.
House Republicans can impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas 500 times. They can tour the border three times a week in their preposterous faux-military garb. They can run a gazillion ads that depict the border as a scene out of the dystopian mass-immigration novel “The Camp of the Saints” or a scene from the hypermilitarized “Call of Duty” video game.
But, as Mace just informed her GOP colleagues in no uncertain terms, the real-world complexities of this debate can’t be dodged forever.

 
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I think we'll see lots of "grandstanding" by the House Republicans and most of the bills will be sent to the Senate knowing there's no chance at passage.

The GOP wants to be able to blame the Dems for the gridlock.

I think the Speaker vote showed us how inept McCarthy's supporters really are.
 
How I know you didn’t read the article without actually saying you didn’t read the article.
“It will be very hard to do immigration again — it will never pass the Senate, if we’re only talking border security,” Mace told The Post’s Leigh Ann Caldwell
 
“It will be very hard to do immigration again — it will never pass the Senate, if we’re only talking border security,” Mace told The Post’s Leigh Ann Caldwell
The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
 
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Mace is weird. She wasn't a cult member, then she pandered to Orange Jesus, was rejected by Orange Jesus, groveled before Orange Jesus, won her primary, won re-election, and now is talking non crazy stuff.
 
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This is such bullshit. You mean “immigration groups” don’t like the idea of border security? Shocked I tell ya. Then of course they decry the notion that a proposed border plan would never work and have a negative affect on asylum seekers. Oh no! Really? Because what’s currently going on is just working out splendidly for everyone else, including all of those living IN AMERICA already on the northern side of the border.

The fact is, there is NO PLAN “immigration groups” would accept that does anything to secure our border more than the Swiss cheese piece of shit situation we have now.

Great sources this article uses. Mace and immigration groups. They couldn’t get AOC’s opinion on this as well? Would have been the same thing.

The border bill in question appears to be a remarkably radical proposal. According to an analysis by numerous immigration groups, it would require the Homeland Security secretary to close the border entirely to all asylum seekers unless they were all either detained or returned to wait in Mexico for their hearings.
Tom Jawetz, a former senior DHS lawyer, notes that the bill would effectively close down the ability of asylum seekers to have their cases heard, because detaining or returning all such migrants to Mexico is operationally impossible.
“It’s very clear the goal of the bill is to end asylum indefinitely, by setting up conditions the government could never possibly meet,” Jawetz told me.

What this proposal shows is that GOP ideas of “border security” often exist in a land of make believe. Here’s the reality: Migrants have a legal right to apply for asylum. Many arriving are unaccompanied children. Because we aren’t detaining or expelling all of them, honoring that legal right inevitably means many will be released into the interior. This bill envisions a kind of border security nirvana where none of these complexities need to be acknowledged.
 
Why wouldn't the senate want border secur
Why wouldn't the senate want border security?
They do! The Senate (and Dems) want a solution…the Republicans in tge House do not want any immigration, period. The Dems want a bipartisan solution… the House Repubbers want it “ my way or the Highway”…
 
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This current administration isn't enforcing the laws that we currently have on the books. They are derelict in their duties. Several links posted in other threads have highlighted this fact.

New laws born out of compromise would almost certainly face the same fate. Dems selectively enforcing the laws they're ok with while ignoring the laws they disagree with.
 
This current administration isn't enforcing the laws that we currently have on the books. They are derelict in their duties. Several links posted in other threads have highlighted this fact.

New laws born out of compromise would almost certainly face the same fate. Dems selectively enforcing the laws they're ok with while ignoring the laws they disagree with.
Asylum wasn't illegal until the bigot in chief caved to the cries of the base bigots.
 
This current administration isn't enforcing the laws that we currently have on the books. They are derelict in their duties. Several links posted in other threads have highlighted this fact.

New laws born out of compromise would almost certainly face the same fate. Dems selectively enforcing the laws they're ok with while ignoring the laws they disagree with.
Lulz. The answer is what Mace is talking about. Congress needs to get off their dead asses and participate.
 
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Lulz. The answer is what Mace is talking about. Congress needs to get off their dead asses and participate.

Why pass new laws when the Biden Administration isn't enforcing the current laws?

Someone needs to get off their ass and participate alright...
 
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