Ore-Idaho?

[lucas80]

Some snowflakes in Eastern Oregon are trying to split away and join Idaho, with six counties from Northern California thrown in for good measure. Nobody seems to have asked Idaho if they want these counties that are so highly dependent on subsidies joining their state.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/greater-idaho-oregon/index.html

 

[The Tradition]

Some snowflakes in Eastern Oregon are trying to split away and join Idaho, with six counties from Northern California thrown in for good measure. Nobody seems to have asked Idaho if they want these counties that are so highly dependent on subsidies joining their state.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/greater-idaho-oregon/index.html

They want to rename the state 'Greater Idaho".

More power to them.

 

[mnole03]

Move to Idaho.

 

[The Tradition]

 

[seminole97]

Radical idea:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

 

[The Tradition]

MAKE IDAHO GREATER AGAIN!

 

[The Tradition]

Radical idea:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

That really was an incredibly radical idea.

 

[wilson reborn]

That would make Oregon look bad.

 

[The Tradition]

That would make Oregon look bad.

Good.

Fvck Oregon.

 

[wilson reborn]

Good.

Fvck Oregon.

I have family there. Not cool.

 

[The Tradition]

I have family there. Not cool.

Do they have several dozen pairs of Nike shoes in various shades of clashing colors?

 

[BelemNole]

Wow, that state would have hundreds of dollars of revenue.

 

[ctghawk]

There’s been a proposal out here to change the border between Oregon and Washington from west-east to north-south based on the Cascade Mountains. I’m for it.

 

[The Tradition]

Wow, that state would have hundreds of dollars of revenue.

They would gain coastline.

That's a really big deal.

 

[BelemNole]

They would gain coastline.

That's a really big deal.

Lol - it’s called the lost coast for a reason.

 

[The Tradition]

Wow, that state would have hundreds of dollars of revenue.

How many electoral votes and congresspersons would they gain?

 

[lucas80]

There’s been a proposal out here to change the border between Oregon and Washington from west-east to north-south based on the Cascade Mountains. I’m for it.

Do you want to live on the side with money and people, or the eastern half?

 

[BelemNole]

How many electoral votes and congresspersons would they gain?

1? Those areas are about as sparsely populated as it gets.

 

[ctghawk]

How many electoral votes and congresspersons would they gain?

Not many- low population areas. Most of the good wine regions though.

 

[ctghawk]

Do you want to live on the side with money and people, or the eastern half?

I hate Portland and Seattle. And when the big one hits off the coast, I’ll be high and dry.

 

[lucas80]

I hate Portland and Seattle. And when the big one hits off the coast, I’ll be high and dry.

We are going to Bend this summer. I spent a night there 25 years ago, and then another one 2 years ago. That place has changed a lot. I can't imagine the people of Bend would vote to make it harder on the people that own so much property, and spend so much money there.

 

[seminole97]

Wow, that state would have hundreds of dollars of revenue.

Might not be the measure upon which they judge their Happiness.

I'd like to see the same map overlayed with federal land.
Oregon and Idaho are both over 50% federally controlled.

 

[McLovin32]

Thought this would be a frozen French fries thread.

 

[mnole03]

Might not be the measure upon which they judge their Happiness.

I'd like to see the same map overlayed with federal land.
Oregon and Idaho are both over 50% federally controlled.

You’ve got to pay the bills somehow, though. The Lost Coast is a huge money sink in terms of roads and services.

 

[BelemNole]

Might not be the measure upon which they judge their Happiness.

I'd like to see the same map overlayed with federal land.
Oregon and Idaho are both over 50% federally controlled.

Well, the parts they’re looking to add are that much or more.

 

[seminole97]

You’ve got to pay the bills somehow, though. The Lost Coast is a huge money sink in terms of roads and services.

"Well, the parts they’re looking to add are that much or more [federally owned]."

Maybe rural living is subsidized with too many services? Or perhaps just too much so in the opinion of the people there?

But unless you're Lincoln in the middle of a war cutting up states isn't easily done.

 

[BelemNole]

Those are poor counties.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Those are poor counties.

This is the absolute irony. Those counties and states that want to have the most independence from liberal areas are often surviving because of financial subsidies from those same liberal areas.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

Thought this would be a frozen French fries thread.

Yep. It was only a few years ago when I learned that Ore-Ida stood for Oregon-Idaho. One of those mind blowing moments where you realize that you should have known something all along.

 

[Legend12]

There are a few people around that would like to incorporate this area...so we can have mail delivery, 9-1-1, etc....but then they always get reminded, "If someone is in charge, that means someone is telling us what to do" and reminded that any efforts they make to get it done will be countered.

 

[mthawkeyes]

Basically, the big landowners in eastern Oregon and northern California want more autonomy in running their fiefdoms. They're jealous of the free rein given by Idaho's conservatives and don't like being held in check by the state governments of Oregon and California. This is the same bunch that doesn't believe they're getting a good enough deal paying pennies on the dollar to lease federal public lands, and just wants ownership transferred directly to them. Also, Conservative Jesus.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

They want to rename the state 'Greater Idaho".

More power to them.

If we did that then why would any county not have free reign to separate itself from a state because it doesn't like it's politics.

I mean Northern Indiana probably isn't particularly fond of the politics coming out of Indy so maybe we should just join Michigan and flip Michigan from swing state to reliably blue?

 

[The Tradition]

If we did that then why would any county not have free reign to separate itself from a state because it doesn't like it's politics.

I mean Northern Indiana probably isn't particularly fond of the politics coming out of Indy so maybe we should just join Michigan and flip Michigan from swing state to reliably blue?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

"Well, the parts they’re looking to add are that much or more [federally owned]."

Maybe rural living is subsidized with too many services? Or perhaps just too much so in the opinion of the people there?

But unless you're Lincoln in the middle of a war cutting up states isn't easily done.

The problem I see is that both kind of need each other. Rural areas need the investment from cities but cities need rural areas (and therefore need to invest in them) because that is often where their resources come from, especially food. Food is cheap so it doesn't by itself bring enough money in, but at the same time any government worth it's salt would invest in keeping food cheap and making sure it's plentiful.

We have to find a way to live together.

 

[83Hawk]

Waste of time. State boundaries are what they are, and will never change. Federal government won’t allow it.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

They do have that right, every couple years they hold elections in Oregon. They are just mad because unlike the presidency and the senate and the federal judiciary by extension, state elections are decided by a popular vote and they are the minority in that case.

We can't exactly have counties deciding they want to up and pack up from one state and join another or create their own state. That would lead to complete chaos.

 

[83Hawk]

They do have that right, every couple years they hold elections in Oregon. They are just mad because unlike the presidency and the senate and the federal judiciary by extension, state elections are decided by a popular vote and they are the minority in that.

Since when are Senators not elected by popular vote?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Since when are Senators not elected by popular vote?

They arn't elected by a popular vote that holds to a certain number of people represented by each senator.

State senates are.

 

[torbee]

Yep. It was only a few years ago when I learned that Ore-Ida stood for Oregon-Idaho. One of those mind blowing moments where you realize that you should have known something all along.

I was just now many years old when I found out.

Also, lol at the “DONT TREAD ON ME” folks not realizing they’d lose their rural socialism if they disconnected from the actual GDP supporting population centers. Let the dimwits go and sink into poverty if that’s what they want so bad. At least they’ll have their guns - maybe they can become hunter-gatherer tribes again, lol.

 

[83Hawk]

They arn't elected by a popular vote that holds to a certain number of people represented by each senator.

State senates are.

What are you talking about? When people run for the senate, the person who gets the most votes wins. Number of people represented has nothing to do with it.