OT: former MSU player shot and killed

Slim45

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Isn’t this the 2nd former msu player to be shot and killed in the last few years?
 

BBHawk

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Payne was shot trying to break up a dispute. Just a horrible situation, and he seemed like a genuinely good person.
Sounds like a "Stand your ground" argument would protect the shooter. It was his home and he said he felt threatened, thought Payne was armed. His dad backed him up.
 

1911_Bandit

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The shooter left the proximity of the dispute, went into the house to retrieve a firearm, and then shot the victim upon returning to the scene of the dispute. 'Stand your ground' laws will not apply once the trial begins because he didn't have to return - he chose to return. It is going to be a tough sell for the defense.
 
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BBHawk

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The shooter left the proximity of the dispute, went into the house to retrieve a firearm, and then shot the victim upon returning to the scene of the dispute. 'Stand your ground' laws will not apply once the trial begins because he didn't have to return - he chose to return. It is going to be a tough sell for the defense.
That same thing has happened before with the shooter being acquitted. All he needs to prove is that he felt threatened. Getting a gun to defend yourself is perfectly legal. The law allows it.
 
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1911_Bandit

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There is no record of the shooter calling 911 to express his fear of imminent bodily harm while he was inside the house where he was safe. I think the prosecutor will slam dunk this with a plea deal.
 

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There is no record of the shooter calling 911 to express his fear of imminent bodily harm while he was inside the house where he was safe. I think the prosecutor will slam dunk this with a plea deal.
There is nothing in the law about that
 

1911_Bandit

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You may be right, BB, we will see how it plays out. Florida does have a Castle Doctrine that has withstood many court cases.
 

Tylerl_28

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There is no record of the shooter calling 911 to express his fear of imminent bodily harm while he was inside the house where he was safe. I think the prosecutor will slam dunk this with a plea deal.

There is, however, a record of the shooter calling 911 and saying Payne was shooting at him.
 

CaboKP

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Another instance was

And this one

Rough stories for people close to, or related to someone attending MSU.
 

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