OU beat writer on College Sports Nation today

[HerkyFan]

Was talking about Big 12 expansion and how OU and Texas are tiring of the continual drama with the Big 12 and wouldn't be surprised if the both left when the grant of rights is up in 2025. He said basically OU and Texas can go somewhere else and staying in the Big 12 while continuing to fall behind the SEC and Big Ten isn't real attractive even if it means giving up the position they now enjoy in the Big 12.

Good luck to the Big 12 without OU and Texas.

 

[millah_22]

It's 9 years between now and 2025. A lot can change. That beat writer is grasping at straws looking that far ahead.

 

[WildTurk]

Just slightly off topic...

 

[J_Heater]

I have no doubt that Iowa State will become the flag ship of the Big 12 when and if that happens. Oklahoma and Texas have been grooming them to be the bell cow. It's all a matter of time.

 

[iclone]

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Just slightly off topic...

It's not political though, so nobody would comment if it went to the OT board...........................

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

That would be the best thing for the rest of the teams in the Big 12. Would also open opportunities for other programs to take a step up to a P5 conference. I'd assume teams like Houston (other Texas mid-majors), maybe even Colorado State, Air Force, BYU, or some team from C-USA or AAC would be interested in stepping in to replace OU and Texas.

I think right now, their presence does intimidate a lot of potential suitors for Big 12 expansion.

Of the current teams, TCU and OK State would be in the best position then to take over, depending on how much Baylor suffers from their transgressions. But it'd also be a chance for some of the other fringe teams to finally get a crack at a championship.

 

[whatsup13579er]

So he basically just put a timeline on what the general consensus has been around here for a while. The Big 12 is going to dissolve when Texas/OU leave for greener pastures. The beat writer just said it would happen in 9 years.

I'm sure adding Memphis and Houston is going to save the Big 12, though...

 

[whatsup13579er]

That would be the best thing for the rest of the teams in the Big 12. Would also open opportunities for other programs to take a step up to a P5 conference. I'd assume teams like Houston (other Texas mid-majors), maybe even Colorado State, Air Force, BYU, or some team from C-USA or AAC would be interested in stepping in to replace OU and Texas.

I think right now, their presence does intimidate a lot of potential suitors for Big 12 expansion.

Of the current teams, TCU and OK State would be in the best position then to take over, depending on how much Baylor suffers from their transgressions. But it'd also be a chance for some of the other fringe teams to finally get a crack at a championship.

Except they wouldn't be walking into a P5 conference anymore...

 

[HerkyFan]

How so? More like it is a OU and Texas thread. One of which could easily end up in the Big 10.

 

[iclone]

How so? More like it is a OU and Texas thread. One of which could easily end up in the Big 10.

See post above the one you quoted

 

[joey632]

See post above the one you quoted

Iclone, why don't u go over to cy fanatic and look at how many ongoing iowa threads they have. I believe the iowa fball and bball recruiting ones are over 100's of posts and now thy are comparing who has better qbs, rbs and wide receivers. So keep on, keeping on little bro.

 

[5Fan5]

Except they wouldn't be walking into a P5 conference anymore...

This is the correct answer. Football is the engine that drives major college athletic departments and money from media rights is the fuel of that engine. There are already rumblings supposedly coming from the likes of ESECPN and Fox about possibly having to spend/invest more dollars should the big xii add schools - the underlying concern being that simply adding schools will not proportionately increase the revenue stream. More teams might mean only more expenditure with little or no hope of seeing any return for the 'oil companies' in this equation.

 

[joey632]

On thing clown fans don't like pointed out to them is the fact there conference is hanging by a thread. Clown fans want to believe all is well and don't want to fear the inevitable fate which is AAC, Mac or Mountain West affiliation. I've been around enough clown fans at work or hang out with and the fear is real. The funny part though is they just don't want to hear about so when iowa fans bring it up they get all defensive.

 

[5Fan5]

On thing clown fans don't like pointed out to them is the fact there conference is hanging by a thread. Clown fans want to believe all is well and don't want to fear the inevitable fate which is AAC, Mac or Mountain West affiliation. I've been around enough clown fans at work or hang out with and the fear is real. The funny part though is they just don't want to hear about so when iowa fans bring it up they get all defensive.

Those same fans are the first to bury their heads in the sand. It has been that way forever. When the first notions of things not being as copacetic in the initial version of the big xii came about, there were plenty of isu fans on here to tell anyone/everyone how wrong they were to entertain even the possibility of teams abandoning the conference for other opportunities. More recently it has been to discredit all reports of discontent (how many times have we heard of Boren (?) being 'slapped down' for his expressing the lack of satisfaction with the big xii as it exists now?).

It has always been a two-way street. If isu fans do not want to hear/read about the topics, then the choice is theirs to not read what is posted.

 

[RITZCOOG]

Those same fans are the first to bury their heads in the sand. It has been that way forever. When the first notions of things not being as copacetic in the initial version of the big xii came about, there were plenty of isu fans on here to tell anyone/everyone how wrong they were to entertain even the possibility of teams abandoning the conference for other opportunities. More recently it has been to discredit all reports of discontent (how many times have we heard of Boren (?) being 'slapped down' for his expressing the lack of satisfaction with the big xii as it exists now?).

It has always been a two-way street. If isu fans do not want to hear/read about the topics, then the choice is theirs to not read what is posted.

No P5 conference would take UT with it's LHN

 

[5Fan5]

No P5 conference would take UT with it's LHN

I am not at all certain that would be any sort of deal breaker. Sooner or later, Texas will be faced with a decision. When (maybe if) that time arrives, the benefits of being a part of a larger, much more stable whole will far outweigh anything the LHN might offer. It will be an easy decision.

The playoff format is defining what structure major college football will ultimately become. The fact that the big xii is now exploring possible expansion says plenty on how that conference sees things playing out into the future. Texas, as belligerent as they might be will make the wise decision when the time comes.

 

[Mountain Man Hawk]

Here is the link to the referenced interview if anyone is interested. The last 2 minutes of it is where he says he thinks OU is done with the Big12. He basically thinks this expansion is one last money grab for OU on the way out the door (because the new members don't get a full cut of the TV money right away, the current 10 members all temporarily get larger payouts in the meantime). He sounds pretty connected and it sounds like an opinion that was formed after talking with Boren and other OU sources (i.e. not just some blowhard throwing things against the wall to see what will stick). I've been following the expansion story pretty closely and to me this looks like the most credible sign that the Big12 might really be as shaky as some of the Internet speculation would have you believe. The key will be to see if OU and Texas agree to the GOR extension. If not, then there might be some fire to this smoke.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_yaUBId3UJs

 

[5Fan5]

Here is the link to the referenced interview if anyone is interested. The last 2 minutes of it is where he says he thinks OU is done with the Big12. He basically thinks this expansion is one last money grab for OU on the way out the door (because the new members don't get a full cut of the TV money right away, the current 10 members all temporarily get larger payouts in the meantime). He sounds pretty connected and it sounds like an opinion that was formed after talking with Boren and other OU sources (i.e. not just some blowhard throwing things against the wall to see what will stick). I've been following the expansion story pretty closely and to me this looks like the most credible sign that the Big12 might really be as shaky as some of the Internet speculation would have you believe. The key will be to see if OU and Texas agree to the GOR extension. If not, then there might be some fire to this smoke.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_yaUBId3UJs

Are you certain that new members only are to receive a portion of the media dollars? Not entirely sure where I heard/read it, but I believe that part of the discontent now on the part of ESECPN and Fox is that they are contractually obligated to pay a dollar specific amount per team and that obligation includes any new members gained by expansion. Where the fallout comes is determining what incremental revenue is generated from those expansion teams and thus far none of the candidates come close to carrying its own weight.

Objective minds realize that the big xii has been poorly managed for some time now. Losing the likes of Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri and Texas A&M and replacing them with TCU and West Virginia was not a net sum transaction. Having undercurrents of unrest from the stronger (athletically, especially in football) programs does nothing but fan the flames.

Either they figure it out and get it closer to right or they don't. Time is not an ally because other conferences already are on board with divisional play leading to conference championship games which becomes the de facto play-in for the college playoff format of four teams.

 

[Mountain Man Hawk]

That's exactly the point. The TV contract says the Big12 revenue will increase on a pro data basis for each team added, regardless of whether that team is any good or not. And what will likely happen is that the Big12 will not divvy the money up evenly for the first few years. The new teams will initially get a small slice of the TV money that the conference distributes...thus leaving more money to be split among the 10 other members.

 

[KuwaitHawk]

On thing clown fans don't like pointed out to them is the fact there conference is hanging by a thread. Clown fans want to believe all is well and don't want to fear the inevitable fate which is AAC, Mac or Mountain West affiliation. I've been around enough clown fans at work or hang out with and the fear is real. The funny part though is they just don't want to hear about so when iowa fans bring it up they get all defensive.

isu to the Mtn West not likely. isu to AAC also not likely. Do not see MAC grabbing them. They do not fit the Sun Belt. That leaves Conf-USA as their hope

 

[5Fan5]

That's exactly the point. The TV contract says the Big12 revenue will increase on a pro data basis for each team added, regardless of whether that team is any good or not. And what will likely happen is that the Big12 will not divvy the money up evenly for the first few years. The new teams will initially get a small slice of the TV money that the conference distributes...thus leaving more money to be split among the 10 other members.

Understood. However, what you point out is the problem, not the solution.

For the most part, the Big Ten has followed the model of paying new members on a graduating scale. It remains to be fully seen, but thus far that seems to be a very good model as both Penn State and Nebraska enhance the overall value of the league (too soon to know for Maryland and Rutgers). As the league grows so do revenues for those paying for those broadcast rights (generally speaking).

However, the same is not necessarily true for all examples. In the big xii, it is questionable as to what 'value' is added by teams such as Houston, Cincy, Memphis and some of the other more likely candidates. If the media moguls are paying 'x' per team ('x' being the contracted rate) and the new team is only really worth something significantly less than 'x', then there is a problem. The year 2025 may seem to be far off into the future, but in reality it is not.

The ball is definitely in the hands of the big xii. They can either make the most of it, fumble it away or even punt. What is more and more evident is that things are not likely to remain status quo.

 

[ichawk24]

The MAC would love to add ISU.

 

[Mountain Man Hawk]

If you listen to that interview I linked, the OU writer thinks other than BYU, none of these teams really add any value but the TV contracts say they get paid the same regardless. So obviously when the contract is renegotiated in 8 years it will be at a lower rate for schools like Houston/Cincy/UCONN. But if OU is planning to leave anyway, which is evidently what has been indicated to this writer by somebody associated with OU, then you might as well grab all the money you can now because you don't care what's going to happen to these other teams in the long-term.

 

[HerkyFan]

Hey Thomas the clown fan where did I bring up isu in this thread?

Don't tell us what you think I wrote show where I am bringing up isu in this thread. Since you say I do this all the time.

Good luck isu grad.

 

[HerkyFan]

When I read your posts this is how I picture you

The little girls at cryclown fanatic? Good job isu grad. More please.

 

[HerkyFan]

I'm not a grad of either school. I'm pretty sure you're not a grad of anything.

You posts show us you are an isu grad.

More please.