Over/under on Christian Williams at 10 points a game

[hawksense]

Obviously, Gesell never scored 10 a game. I don't think. So, in that respect, it's really hard to do in the B1G. Or out of conference, for that matter.

But, he's a different player, with greater height and longer arms and a real ability to post up smaller guards. Hell, he's a matchup problem for many people.

Just anxious to hear some answers, though i suspect it'll be on the under side.

 

[hawkfan1963]

Nothing against Gessell or Clemmons(they helped bring they Hawkeyes back to relevance) but it seemed like they had a ceiling and were not consistent. I believe Williams will be different. As well as some of the others on the team.

 

[hawksense]

Different good or different bad? That's the question. I believe he'll be alright, but I will except superior.

 

[championhawk]

Under. I look for several guys to average around 8ppg.. Jok will be around 20. I think Moss, Cook, and Bear will be slightly higher scoring than Williams. Dale Jones could push that 8 ppg if healthy. I would put the O/U on Williams at 7 ppg. Last year AC and MG got several points with FT's at the end of games which I didn't understand. It should have been JU and Jok shooting them. This year Jok will almost all of the closing FT's.

 

[seer_hawk]

Obviously, Gesell never scored 10 a game. I don't think. So, in that respect, it's really hard to do in the B1G. Or out of conference, for that matter.

But, he's a different player, with greater height and longer arms and a real ability to post up smaller guards. Hell, he's a matchup problem for many people.

Just anxious to hear some answers, though i suspect it'll be on the under side.

Depends if you are talking this season, or before he's through. I'll be surprised if he's able to score 10 per game in his sophomore year. He does seem to have some Devyn-like upside with his length and HS scoring average.

 

[icwesthawk]

I think he makes it. We are going to need it from him and my guess is that he steps up. Agree that Mike and Sapp never quite made it to the point that I thought they would, but they were both good Hawks.

 

[DanL53]

I have no freagin' idea. Not for this season. I know that Williams is extremely gifted for a nearly 6'7" point guard and have been excited to have him as a Hawkeye ever since he committed. He can score, and I believe he will have one of the better three point shooting percentages on the team, eventually.

He can breakdown a defender but imo he takes it a little soft to the basket and that will need some work. He can also post up smaller guys.

And, since the motion will keep all our guys moving in and out of scoring position there will be plenty of times Christian won't be the distributor. And we've got some excellent passers on the team so that will help him be in position to take a shot.

But, other than Jok, I think the rest of the team will be pretty balanced. And frankly the more balanced the better. And, Williams is very unselfish so I doubt he'll care if he scores 4 ppg or 14, as long as we win.

 

[hawkfan1963]

Different good or different bad? That's the question. I believe he'll be alright, but I will except superior.

Different GREAT!!!!!!!

 

[ZumaHawk]

Fun ? OP!!! This is what makes message boards intriguing. Another thread where "they" were evaluating Iowa basketball didn't even mention CW & if I'm not mistaken had JoBo starting. Now we are wondering if he'll average 10 points a game. I sure would be ok if he did........ but hope he can become a leader for this team since the PG is such a crucial position.

 

[hawksense]

I'm not predicting 10 points. I was gauging others opinions on the thought process.

Christian Williams was a very intriguing recruit last year as I evaluated the incoming bodies. He was THE most intriguing to me. What does that mean? I don't even know.

Perhaps it means that I think when he gains traction, he'll be a dangerous player. So the question would be: when does he get it?

He's got to find a balance between scoring and distributing. In my mind, pass first. You'll see easy scoring options develop from there.

One of the obvious differences between CW and last year's guys, is his height. When he takes it to the rim, he's at a completely different level than MG and AC. He's going at the rim. Not below it. Those guys could get there with authority and success. But they had to start lower and elevate more.

Am I crazy?

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Under. Too many players will see the court this year for anyone besides Jok to have much of a scoring average.

 

[CyCity]

I have no freagin' idea. Not for this season. I know that Williams is extremely gifted for a nearly 6'7" point guard and have been excited to have him as a Hawkeye ever since he committed. He can score, and I believe he will have one of the better three point shooting percentages on the team, eventually.

He can breakdown a defender but imo he takes it a little soft to the basket and that will need some work. He can also post up smaller guys.

And, since the motion will keep all our guys moving in and out of scoring position there will be plenty of times Christian won't be the distributor. And we've got some excellent passers on the team so that will help him be in position to take a shot.

But, other than Jok, I think the rest of the team will be pretty balanced. And frankly the more balanced the better. And, Williams is very unselfish so I doubt he'll care if he scores 4 ppg or 14, as long as we win.

Williams is listed at 6'5. I think he has a good chance to be better than Gesell and Clemmons offensively but both those guys were pretty good defensively

 

[DanL53]

Williams is listed at 6'5. I think he has a good chance to be better than Gesell and Clemmons offensively but both those guys were pretty good defensively

Williams is 1/4 of an inch from 6'7". And I have zero concerns defensively.

 

[CyCity]

Williams is 1/4 of an inch from 6'7". And I have zero concerns defensively.

He's listed on the official roster at 6'5.

 

[CyCity]

If you are going to start another of these stupid arguments please use more than a number on a roster. I spend one hell of a lot of time keeping up with the Hawkeyes and the least you could do is let it go when I say close to 6'7". I'm $#$%$ing right about that and don't feel like another debate with a piss-ant like you.

You damn idiot Cyclone fan. $%%^ing don't believe me, I don't give a sh!t. But keep replying with nothing but the measurement from the roster!?!? That just shows how stupid you are, which I don't care, but it wastes my time to have to tell you to stick it somewhere....and that, I get tired of doing over an over.

Maybe THIS TIME you will get it? I don't like you, don't care what you think, and know you don't know crud about basketball.

You're an angry person. Not that it really matters but I'm going to trust the official roster over your opinion

 

[jdv77]

I will go under 10 ppg. But CW's assists, assist/turnover ratio and rebounds will have much more to do with Iowa's success this year than his scoring.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

You're an angry person. Not that it really matters but I'm going to trust the official roster over your opinion

No Cy Dan is not an angry person....imo but I certainly can understand his frustration with your posts....huh? Causing problems the way I see it. Why?

Regarding Williams....look I took pictures of the kid standing next to Moss and Dale Jones at PTL so I have some solid evidence here and he looks to me an inch taller than Moss and an inch shorter than Dale Jones....so depending how tall you want to label Dale Jones (6'8" maybe?), I would take it down from there.

It doesn't really matter only to me that those 3 standing together looked like 3 very tall and lengthy impressive BB players to me. And 2 of them that night at PTL played very impressive too.

CW is one big and talented perimeter player for us and this makes me very happy. Everything that Dan said above about CW and the team is imo....really spot on based on what I saw in PTL. It's all good.

 

[DenverTurtle]

Under. I look for several guys to average around 8ppg.. Jok will be around 20. I think Moss, Cook, and Bear will be slightly higher scoring than Williams. Dale Jones could push that 8 ppg if healthy. I would put the O/U on Williams at 7 ppg. Last year AC and MG got several points with FT's at the end of games which I didn't understand. It should have been JU and Jok shooting them. This year Jok will almost all of the closing FT's.

Jok will have to do a lot more ball handling and taking the ball to the rim for that to happen.
Not sure what kind of FT shooter Williams is but maybe we see more JoBo to close out games given his 90+% FT shooting.

 

[DenverTurtle]

I'm calling it now, OVER.

Between Williams, Jok and Moss we will always have at least 1 guard and often 2 in the game that are 6'6" which will usually mean one of those guys will have a 6'2" guard on him.
Williams has a 7 foot wingspan and is very good at posting up smaller guys. I expect Williams and Jok to get the ball down on the low block quite a bit. Williams is going to create huge match up problems. If you leave a PG on him he'll post the guy up all day. If you switch and put a taller guy on Williams then that means CW will be able to take him off the dribble AND now Jok will have a shorter player guarding him.
We will put 5 guys on the court this fall who can all step out 15-20 feet and hit those shots. This will clear the paint, enabling our guards to go one-on-one on the low block. If the other team collapses and doubles it will leave a good shooter open.

 

[Suterman]

Williams will be under 10 ppg for most of our games. Somebody is going to need to be above 10 besides Jok. My guess is Baer, not Williams. There are a lot of intriguing possibilities this year and a whole ton of unknowns. Williams is one of the unknowns.

 

[CyCity]

No Cy Dan is not an angry person....imo but I certainly can understand his frustration with your posts....huh? Causing problems the way I see it. Why?

Regarding Williams....look I took pictures of the kid standing next to Moss and Dale Jones at PTL so I have some solid evidence here and he looks to me an inch taller than Moss and an inch shorter than Dale Jones....so depending how tall you want to label Dale Jones (6'8" maybe?), I would take it down from there.

It doesn't really matter only to me that those 3 standing together looked like 3 very tall and lengthy impressive BB players to me. And 2 of them that night at PTL played very impressive too.

CW is one big and talented perimeter player for us and this makes me very happy. Everything that Dan said above about CW and the team is imo....really spot on based on what I saw in PTL. It's all good.

I've never heard of a team listing a player shorter than they actually are. Usually it's the other way around. I do think Williams has some skills that will be a big asset for Iowa this year. If he can be consistent and limit turnovers he could be a pretty good PG down the road

 

[Ronman]

I'll take the under on Williams. Doesn't mean he won't be a productive player for us. If I have to guess who will be providing scoring for us besides Jok, I would put my money on Cook, who seems mentally disposed to impose his will on the offensive end of the court.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

If you are going to start another of these stupid arguments please use more than a number on a roster. I spend one hell of a lot of time keeping up with the Hawkeyes and the least you could do is let it go when I say close to 6'7". I'm $#$%$ing right about that and don't feel like another debate with a piss-ant like you.

You damn idiot Cyclone fan. $%%^ing don't believe me, I don't give a sh!t. But keep replying with nothing but the measurement from the roster!?!? That just shows how stupid you are, which I don't care, but it wastes my time to have to tell you to stick it somewhere....and that, I get tired of doing over an over.

Maybe THIS TIME you will get it? I don't like you, don't care what you think, and know you don't know crud about basketball.

If you are talking about Cyshitty, I have him on ignore. The guy is a moron who can't help flaunting how much of a moron he is every chance he gets. It was amusing at first, but then it got real old in a hurry. Having a discussion with him is an exercise in futility. I think every Iowa fan should put him on ignore, and eventually he will kick rocks.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

I have him at 9.3PPG. So, I guess I am under. I am still trying to come up with my overall breakdown on team scoring.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

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[Fan In Black]

Under

 

[jt91]

10 pts/game would be huge from Williams, so I doubt he will get there. He should get the lion's share of minutes at the point, but averaging double figures is not easy. I'm hopeful he averages 4+ assists and -2 turnovers per game. If he gets that done and plays solid defense, I will be happy.

 

[BBHawk]

A couple of notes based on having seen CW up close several times:

1. He may be 6'5"+ in bare feet but in shoes, he is closer to 6'7";
2. Standing next to Ahmad Wagner, he is almost as tall. Wagner is listed as 6'7" in the official Iowa roster. He also is taller that Jok, who is listed as 6'6" in that roster.
3. CW averaged 3.2 rebounds and 1.4 rebounds during an average of 6.5 minutes in the last 6 games. If he can triple that while averaging ~20 mpg, he would be at 9.6 ppg and 4.2 RBs/game - respectable for a first-time sophomore starter. I would accept that.

I would also be happy with 8 ppg and 3 rbs/game as long as the supporting cast comes to play such that CW can also avg 4+ assists/game. Iowa is going to need more players with multiple-assist games this year. I think it will be possible with the way the young bigs share the ball.

 

[iabcuda]

Williams soph year: 7 pts, 5 reb, 3 assists.
Gotta love the board work.

 

[NI hawk]

Is Williams really that much better than Bohannon that everybody has him locked in as a starter?

 

[CanadaHawk]

Is Williams really that much better than Bohannon that everybody has him locked in as a starter?

CW has the inside track over JB at PG because of experience 1st of all. 2nd, he's shown some explosion to the hoop JB doesn't have that could make him a better playmaker. 3rd, his length and anticipation were on display this summer as a defender and rebounder, areas where I don't think JB can match him. Conversely, JB was having trouble with bigger, more athletic guards this summer on O and D. That will improve with experience, but this year it gives CW an edge. JB is a better shooter, but in the limited sample of the summer games, I believe CW actually held his own from 3.

 

[BBHawk]

Is Williams really that much better than Bohannon that everybody has him locked in as a starter?

Williams is skilled enough to play and guard the 1 through the 3 positions. Bohannon does not have that capability. As noted before, Williams also has a year in the system and was really seeming to come into his own at the end of the year. We have not seen anything beyond HS yet from Bohannon. I am glad that neither is alone at the point this year but I wish there would have been a transition over 2 years instead of one.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Under.
I hope he is an important contributor, but don't expect that necessarily to be as a scorer. Ball handler, defender, director of the offense.
If he scores more than 10 a game that would be a bonus.