Payton Sandfort #47 in ESPN's 2024 Mock Draft. Zach Edey #46.
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Crazy how much the game has changed. 20-25 years ago he's a top 10 pick.
Another BIG change in the college game over the past 20 years or so is the lack of players staying in college and developing over 4-5 years, etc. I am admittedly a casual college BB fan, but I only recognize 3 or 4 names on that list.
Back in the day you could really develop a following as almost all players were "around" for several years consecutively. (Note - the exception was Jess Settles...he lasted so long that I think it was like 8 or 10 years.
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Gramps!🤪Another BIG change in the college game over the past 20 years or so is the lack of players staying in college and developing over 4-5 years, etc. I am admittedly a casual college BB fan, but I only recognize 3 or 4 names on that list.
Back in the day you could really develop a following as almost all players were "around" for several years consecutively. (Note - the exception was Jess Settles...he lasted so long that I think it was like 8 or 10 years.
Many people think that Jess Settles' career was one of the most exciting decades in Iowa basketball history.
The only sophomore college players in the top 15 in this list are Clingan and Filipowski. Every other one of them is a freshman, G-League Ignite or a foreign player.Another BIG change in the college game over the past 20 years or so is the lack of players staying in college and developing over 4-5 years, etc. I am admittedly a casual college BB fan, but I only recognize 3 or 4 names on that list.
Back in the day you could really develop a following as almost all players were "around" for several years consecutively. (Note - the exception was Jess Settles...he lasted so long that I think it was like 8 or 10 years.
Edit to add that the only 2 upperclassmen in the first round: Ighodaro and McCullar. The rest are freshmen, sophomores or foreign players.
Another BIG change in the college game over the past 20 years or so is the lack of players staying in college and developing over 4-5 years, etc. I am admittedly a casual college BB fan, but I only recognize 3 or 4 names on that list.
Back in the day you could really develop a following as almost all players were "around" for several years consecutively. (Note - the exception was Jess Settles...he lasted so long that I think it was like 8 or 10 years.
the 2024 NBA draft class is not exactly strong, imo
imo, the 3 point shot drastically changed the game and made unathletic bigs like Edey not as valuable
How can you recognize 3 or 4. You either recognize 3 or 4.Another BIG change in the college game over the past 20 years or so is the lack of players staying in college and developing over 4-5 years, etc. I am admittedly a casual college BB fan, but I only recognize 3 or 4 names on that list.
Back in the day you could really develop a following as almost all players were "around" for several years consecutively. (Note - the exception was Jess Settles...he lasted so long that I think it was like 8 or 10 years.
at least the commute between Des Moines & Minneapolis is fairly short
do you think Payton is heading to the NBA next April?
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He wrote this in October::
It’s never too early to start looking ahead!
Check below for our list of 10 players who will become stars during the 2023-24 college basketball season.
In no particular order:
Tyrese Proctor, Duke: In five postseason games last March as a freshman, Proctor averaged 10.8 points and 5.4 assists with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 27:5. If he continues to progress, Duke may very well have an All-American on the perimeter to complement Kyle Filipowski up front.
Donovan Clingan, UConn: A volcano just waiting to explode, the 7-3 Clingan gave America a taste of what he’s capable of last season as a freshman when he averaged 6.9 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 1.8 blocks in just 13 minutes. If he continues that production level and doubles his minutes as a sophomore, Clingan’s averages project to be comparable to what Anthony Davis (14.2 points, 10.4 rebounds, 4.7 blocks) averaged as a freshman during the 2011-12 season when Kentucky won the national title.
Adem Bona, UCLA: Would the Bruins have made the Final Four if Bona didn’t re-injure his shoulder against Northwestern in the second round of the NCAA Tournament? There’s a strong chance. In the five games prior to initially injuring his shoulder in the Pac-12 Tournament against Oregon, the 6-9 big man averaged 7.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, and 2.4 blocks. Bona should pick up right where he left off last spring once he returns to game action.
R.J. Davis, North Carolina: Caleb Love’s decision to transfer to Arizona means that Davis should have a bigger piece of the pie in Chapel Hill. Expect him to take full advantage. The 6-foot guard averaged 16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 3.2 assists last season as a sophomore despite taking 88 fewer shots than Love, who took nearly 500 last season. Davis is in position to be an All-American during the 2023-24 season.
Aidan Mahaney, Saint Mary’s: Where does one go as a sophomore after averaging 13.9 points and shooting 40 percent from three-point range as a freshman? Pure stardom. The 6-3 Mahaney is a major reason why many people believe that Saint Mary’s is capable of winning an outright WCC regular season title this season for only the second time under Randy Bennett. This kid is the real deal.
Trey Alexander, Creighton: Alexander never got the attention that he deserved during the past two years because of how good Ryan Nembhard was. With Nembhard now at Gonzaga and no longer in the Bluejays’ program, look for Alexander to blossom. The 6-4 guard averaged 13.6 points and 4.2 rebounds last season and will now get more of an opportunity to be in a facilitating role. Remember: Alexander averaged 16 points and seven assists two years ago as a freshman in two NCAA Tournament games when Nembhard was out of the lineup with a wrist injury.
Erik Reynolds, St. Joe’s: The Hawks are a trendy pick to make a major jump in the Atlantic 10 and a big reason for that is Reynolds. Over the final 10 games of last season, the 6-2 guard averaged 23.6 points while shooting 45 percent from the field, 40.2 percent from three-point range, and 95 percent from the free throw line. This is one of the best players in the sport that doesn’t play in a power conference.
Judah Mintz, Syracuse: Many people expected Mintz to remain in the 2023 NBA Draft after testing the waters, but he opted to return to college for his sophomore year. While he’s already a proven producer after averaging 16.3 points and 4.6 assists as a freshman, Mintz’s star will truly rise if he can lead Syracuse back to national relevance in its first season under Adrian Autry. The Orange are only a combined 33-32 over the past two seasons.
Dylan Disu, Texas: The 6-9 big man averaged 22.5 points and 10 rebounds in the first two rounds of last season’s NCAA Tournament before going out of the lineup with a foot injury. Once he’s fully healthy, Disu is primed to become a primary focal point up front for Texas. This guy is capable of earning All-Big 12 first-team honors in 2023-24.
Payton Sandfort, Iowa: With Kris Murray no longer a part of the Hawkeyes’ program, the 6-7 Sandfort could emerge as Iowa’s go-to scorer. He averaged 10.3 points a year ago as a sophomore and drilled 59 shots from long distance. Don’t be shocked if Sandfort is one of the best wings in the Big Ten this season and averages 14-16 points each time that he takes the floor.
He wrote this in October::
10 players who will become stars during the 2023-24 college basketball season
It’s never too early to start looking ahead!
Check below for our list of 10 players who will become stars during the 2023-24 college basketball season.
In no particular order:
Tyrese Proctor, Duke: In five postseason games last March as a freshman, Proctor averaged 10.8 points and 5.4 assists with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 27:5. If he continues to progress, Duke may very well have an All-American on the perimeter to complement Kyle Filipowski up front.
Donovan Clingan, UConn: A volcano just waiting to explode, the 7-3 Clingan gave America a taste of what he’s capable of last season as a freshman when he averaged 6.9 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 1.8 blocks in just 13 minutes. If he continues that production level and doubles his minutes as a sophomore, Clingan’s averages project to be comparable to what Anthony Davis (14.2 points, 10.4 rebounds, 4.7 blocks) averaged as a freshman during the 2011-12 season when Kentucky won the national title.
Adem Bona, UCLA: Would the Bruins have made the Final Four if Bona didn’t re-injure his shoulder against Northwestern in the second round of the NCAA Tournament? There’s a strong chance. In the five games prior to initially injuring his shoulder in the Pac-12 Tournament against Oregon, the 6-9 big man averaged 7.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, and 2.4 blocks. Bona should pick up right where he left off last spring once he returns to game action.
R.J. Davis, North Carolina: Caleb Love’s decision to transfer to Arizona means that Davis should have a bigger piece of the pie in Chapel Hill. Expect him to take full advantage. The 6-foot guard averaged 16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 3.2 assists last season as a sophomore despite taking 88 fewer shots than Love, who took nearly 500 last season. Davis is in position to be an All-American during the 2023-24 season.
Aidan Mahaney, Saint Mary’s: Where does one go as a sophomore after averaging 13.9 points and shooting 40 percent from three-point range as a freshman? Pure stardom. The 6-3 Mahaney is a major reason why many people believe that Saint Mary’s is capable of winning an outright WCC regular season title this season for only the second time under Randy Bennett. This kid is the real deal.
Trey Alexander, Creighton: Alexander never got the attention that he deserved during the past two years because of how good Ryan Nembhard was. With Nembhard now at Gonzaga and no longer in the Bluejays’ program, look for Alexander to blossom. The 6-4 guard averaged 13.6 points and 4.2 rebounds last season and will now get more of an opportunity to be in a facilitating role. Remember: Alexander averaged 16 points and seven assists two years ago as a freshman in two NCAA Tournament games when Nembhard was out of the lineup with a wrist injury.
Erik Reynolds, St. Joe’s: The Hawks are a trendy pick to make a major jump in the Atlantic 10 and a big reason for that is Reynolds. Over the final 10 games of last season, the 6-2 guard averaged 23.6 points while shooting 45 percent from the field, 40.2 percent from three-point range, and 95 percent from the free throw line. This is one of the best players in the sport that doesn’t play in a power conference.
Judah Mintz, Syracuse: Many people expected Mintz to remain in the 2023 NBA Draft after testing the waters, but he opted to return to college for his sophomore year. While he’s already a proven producer after averaging 16.3 points and 4.6 assists as a freshman, Mintz’s star will truly rise if he can lead Syracuse back to national relevance in its first season under Adrian Autry. The Orange are only a combined 33-32 over the past two seasons.
Dylan Disu, Texas: The 6-9 big man averaged 22.5 points and 10 rebounds in the first two rounds of last season’s NCAA Tournament before going out of the lineup with a foot injury. Once he’s fully healthy, Disu is primed to become a primary focal point up front for Texas. This guy is capable of earning All-Big 12 first-team honors in 2023-24.
Payton Sandfort, Iowa: With Kris Murray no longer a part of the Hawkeyes’ program, the 6-7 Sandfort could emerge as Iowa’s go-to scorer. He averaged 10.3 points a year ago as a sophomore and drilled 59 shots from long distance. Don’t be shocked if Sandfort is one of the best wings in the Big Ten this season and averages 14-16 points each time that he takes the floor.
Payton does not appear in this 2 round mock draft. Edey is #60 (very last pick).
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I think that’s what the evaluators will recommend when it’s all said and done.
Yeah, all you have to do is look at Joe Wieskamp & Luka Garza, who were both drafted in the 2nd round. Not any guarantees when that happens.
No need to rush to the G-League. Enjoy your college experience.
I predict Edey will be drafted in the 1st round. You can't teach 7'4", he is fairly coordinated, he has a soft touch, has some hops and seems to be coachable. If he can put on some weight, he will make a nice back-up for a number of teams.
I assume the reason he didn't go pro last year is he wasn't going to be drafted in first round and therefore
no guaranteed contract money. Playing another year in college doesn't help is draft stock. It does allow him to get some NIL money and maybe a shot at some redemption in NCAA tourney.
If you watch NBA playoffs, stud athletic 7ft centers like DeAndre Ayton often get abused on defense when they have to guard someone smaller on a switch. Slow footed Edey would not be able to guard his positon. The 7ft + guys that are doing well are like that Chet Holmgren and Victor Webanyama....and Edey doesn't have their quickness. My guess is Edey doesn't get drafted by NBA....he can go to china and make big bucks in Chinese b-ball since he is 1/2 chinese and would be a national hero.
Yeah, Edey might be a late second rounder and stick as an end of the bench guy but he has no chance of being a 1st rounder.
He's just to slow to defend in the NBA.
I love Sandy but he can't defend one on one. He's too streaky with his shot as a well.
However, we are now talking about potentially having a guy drafted in each of the last 5 years (Garza, Weezy, Murray, Murray). That isn't common for us.
However, we are now talking about potentially having a guy drafted in each of the last 5 years (Garza, Weezy, Murray, Murray). That isn't common for us.
I agree with this. Eddey is way better than last year. By the end of this year, I can see at least one team, taking a chance on him in the first round.
yeah, i don't see him leaving just to be drafted in the 2nd round (or possibly not getting drafted)
😂😂😂 Sandfort was a top 10 pick when they were using peach baskets.
After last night that's up for debate.
He, nor his brother, are no better than potential sidekicks for legitimate BT players.
And Payton is certainly not an alpha no matter how much he grimaces.
He should have never, EVER, been on any list. Reinforces how these prognosticators know very little for HS or college athletes.
Look at that kid and you can see there is no way he ever has a chance in the NBA.
Ever.
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