Does anyone know why he is wearing so much tape on his shoulders? I've never seen anyone wear so much
Payton Sandfort
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Probably tendinitis from too much shooting.
Lots of bricks being thrown up last night.
Would have been nice if he could have made a few of those wide open looks.
He’s shooting too much. I realize he’s Fran’s green light guy, but show some restraint when you suck. He’ll recover I’m sure, but he cost us the game.
Payton S makes a lot of mental mistakes, especially for a senior. But he has never been benched/coached by McCaffery to sit and watch awhile. You could tell last night he was spazzed out, but the genius FM did not sit him down so he could collect himself and calm down. McCaffery is a really terrible game coach. Sandfort does give 100% effort.
Right, we did a poor job of getting the ball to Freeman in the second half. He didn’t get a lot of looks in the second half and that is a big fail for the rest of the team.
I think he got a little frustrated too . Opponents were good at collapsing on him when he got a touch and he did either get the ball down low or brought it down. I feel if he had decided to kick it out quicker we might have gotten some more good looks at open threes but when you’re shooters are not hitting anything it’s a tough call fighting double or triple teams versus passing out to the perimeter. Offense wasn’t hardly clicking at all yesterday.
Can't really blame Freeman for his turnovers when kicking it out to Dix or Payton or Pryce was a 1/19 from 3pt outcome.
Iowa for now is cursed.
Payton with his pure shot form is only at career 35.9 percent 3pt shooter and this year he's at 28 percent so far
Meanwhile Patrick McCaffery a career 33.8 percent 3pt shooter is at 50%. I would expect the two to revert closer to their mean by end of this seson, but I am surprised Payton's career 3pt shooting percentage is so low given shooting the basketball is his main skill.
Iowa for now is cursed.
Payton with his pure shot form is only at career 35.9 percent 3pt shooter and this year he's at 28 percent so far
Meanwhile Patrick McCaffery a career 33.8 percent 3pt shooter is at 50%. I would expect the two to revert closer to their mean by end of this seson, but I am surprised Payton's career 3pt shooting percentage is so low given shooting the basketball is his main skill.
Payton is supposed to be the leader of this team, as a senior. To me, he doesn’t appear to have those traits. Not verbally, anyway.
That leaves a void that needs to be filled by someone.
That leaves a void that needs to be filled by someone.
Just don’t see Payton Sandfort having any chance at making an NBA team. Shooting percentage is not nearly high enough to compensate for his lack of athleticism. He should prepare to play in Europe.
It's because he takes so many rushed off balance shots.
He's a good shooter who thinks he's a great shooter.
Well put. He’s Matt Gatens (no offense, Matt) with a little more athleticism.
If he or Fran could not figure out that he was costing us the game, then I have no hope that things will change for the rest of the season. If he was hurt, then he should not have been playing. Do I think he gives it a 110% and will win games for us this season? You bet. He just needs to take the foot off the pedal if its not there....
Gatens was way more athletic than Sandfort. Not even close.
This. He just chucks balls up. Does not square up and get set. I think half of this has to do with he's not athletic enough to get open enough to set up before the defender gets there so it's out of necessity. I've never been a big fan of his and every time Settles is drooling over him during the broadcasts my eyes roll into the back of my head. The dude would be a great third or fourth option on a team. Unfortunately, he's our number one option.
There's some of that but I think it's more just wild overconfidence and over eagerness.
He should be the third option on this team but he's a made Fran man so that automatically gives him the green light to do ridiculous shit.
Settles is quickly becoming an embarsemnt on TV. He acts like his job is to be a PR spokesman for the Iowa basketball team. He makes Dolph look objective.
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Yes poor shot selection and letting poor shooting get into his head and hunting off balance shots when he's shooting poorly because he is supposed to be the Man. I do think Payton has the muscle memory/skills to be an elite high volume 3pt shooter. Guys that shoot 85%+ % from FT line have that type discipline/skills to do so. I would put Payton up there with other Hawkeye greats at 3pt shooting, but Payton is more streaky.
Career numbers
JayBo: 39.7
Gatens: 36.7
Peter Jok: 37.8
J. Uthoff: 38.3
Payton S.: 35.7
I mean just look at those numbers. Why does a 35% shooter have a green light to shoot early in the clock and just chuck up shots? Make it make sense.
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Glad I am not the only one hearing the Settles homer slant.....at one point (a couple games back) he said Pryce had made a great defensive play when the offensive guy had just blown by him like he had cement shoes...I was like, 'What game you are watching?!?'. lol
Last year Iowa shot 51.5% on 2 pt shots. Roughly the equivalent to PS hitting 35% from 3
This is the 3rd straight year that Sandfort has started out the season ice cold. Wouldn't surprise if he heats up going forward.
I was at that game in Phog Allen.... great comeback win!
He shoots to get hot & shoots to stay hot.... unfortunately he's never really hot...
Apparently P.Sandfort has been extremely limited in practice because of a lingering wrist injury to his shooting hand. Had ice on it after the game.
Which raises the question....why was he in so much and hoisted up 13 3's? It's not like he helps on the boards or is very good defensively.
Makes no sense.
Which raises the question....why was he in so much and hoisted up 13 3's? It's not like he helps on the boards or is very good defensively.
Makes no sense.
impressive stat for Bohannon. Those numbers are misleading, Payton is extremely streaky and he’s off to a bad start this year. Not the first time he’s done that. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t end at close to 37%:
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| GP | MIN | FG% | 3P% | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS |
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| 6 | 31.0 | 40.7 | 28.3 | 78.3 | 6.3 | 4.0 | 0.7 | 1.2 | 2.7 | 2.8 | 17.2 |
| 34 | 30.5 | 44.6 | 37.9 | 91.1 | 6.6 | 2.7 | 0.4 | 0.7 | 2.5 | 1.3 | 16.4 |
| 33 | 20.7 | 40.4 | 34.3 | 86.4 | 4.1 | 1.5 | 0.2 | 0.6 | 1.9 | 0.7 | 10.3 |
| 34 | 10.5 | 41.8 | 36.6 | 93.8 | 1.9 | 0.6 | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.9 | 0.5 | 5.0 |
Right. This is on Fran. Guy is ice cold and his primary value is shooting lots of 3's. What does Fran do? Play him 36 minutes while he goes 4-18 and 1-13 from 3 instead of subbing in a better defender and rebounder in Traore who collected 4 rebounds to Sandfort's 3 in just 18 minutes of play in a game where Iowa is crushed on the boards. That was really terrible in game personnel management.
Some people just like the feel of tape on their skin....................
Agree with most on this thread. I said before the season started, that the more balanced Iowa's scoring, the better they will be. That doesn't mean that you don't ride Payton, Freeman, or Dix in a game when they are on a roll, but Payton should not be a high volume shooter every game, taking shots that are low percentage shots regularly. I believe Freeman should be the first option, and Payton/Dix should be 2a and 2b, but the other guys, Harding, Thelwell, Traore, Pryce, Koch, should also be collectively scoring 30+ points. I think Harding and Thelwell are good enough distributors to make this happen.
Rebounding is another issue that has to be improved, or it will be tough to win against better teams. I don't know why Dembele plays so timidly around the basket, when he is often the strongest guy on the court. So what, if he picks up some fouls...
Rebounding is another issue that has to be improved, or it will be tough to win against better teams. I don't know why Dembele plays so timidly around the basket, when he is often the strongest guy on the court. So what, if he picks up some fouls...
He’s second on the team in rebounding, behind Freeman.
Payton is the second best rebounder we have after Freeman, but when Payton continually chucks up 3 pointers as he did against Utah St and misses as many as he did, he's never in position to help in rebounding, leaving Freemen with our only rebounder. Traore and Dembele are virtually in a tie for our 3rd best rebounders at 4.5 a game, but both of them seem to love being away from the basket. One of those 2 has to step up in future games for Iowa to succeed. Who will that be
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Fair enough. He had 3 in 36 minutes v Utah State.
Main point being I don't think playing him that much with an injured shooting wrist when his shooting was that far off was prudent.
You're right about this one game, but a shooter needs to keep shooting. Practically every shot Payton took, I thought might be going in. They weren't bad shots for him. Whatever is ailing him, he needs to rest it so he can recover. I certainly hope we won't need him against our next opponent.
Agreed. Most of his shots were good shots. Many wide open. The only caveat to this is if he’s got an injured wrist, he should be resting. Especially this time of year.
I wonder if Dembele and Traore aren't away from the basket by design, to give Freeman more space, especially on the offensive end. Whatever the problem, Dembele and Traore should be getting 15 boards between them in most games, and opponents need to be held to single digits in offensive boards.
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Settles even mentioned Iowa's "elite defenders" on the court the other night. That made me scratch my head!
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