Peterson: ESPN woes should worry Iowa, Iowa State

[robchawk]

First--Peterson is just a shill for ISU, think of where they would be just in the state if the register and the DSM area did not try and pull them up time after time.

Second--interesting how the winds are blowing again--Finebaum saying Okla. wants out of big12, another article states they want a partner to leave and it is TX, not Ok St, third article where baylor and TCU are talking about pairing up for the express purpose of realignment.

Enfugoff or what ever is correct in this, at some point I think it goes to 4 x 16 team leagues, once you begin paying the players it will change the money landscape even more. Plus, you now have 4 conference championship games for the first round of the playoffs, This makes those game relevant again, then the 4 winners are re seeded and the 4 team playoff. You do not win your conference--you do not play for the title.

Iowa is in the middle of the Big 10 in terms of interest and money but think if ISU gets knocked back a step, more corporate level state sponsorship goes Iowa's way and we can stay in the upper level.

After that , the big boys, OSU-Mich--USC--etc will try and make it 4 leagues x 8 teams, 32 teams all affiliated with the NFL as the money thins out yet again but this will down the way and concussions may have ruined the game by then so who cares.....

 

[Enfuego85]

Well there's certainly someone here who doesn't get it, or your just ignorant or high. Haven't figured out which yet. So The University of Iowa, and ISU have the same limitations when it comes to NCAA football. Cmon dude. So OSU and Michigan don't care about Iowa? So when these power brokers spurn all these no account schools, who do you think their going to play? By accounts in national publications Iowa is somewhere between 25 and 40 when it comes to their relevance now and historically. These big name schools are going to have teams on their schedule and the top 60 to 65 schools are not going anywhere. Now ISU is a different story, as they rank somewhere in the 90's, so I doubt they'd be showing up on any major's schedule. The BIG has been an excellent example that the high tide floats all boats. In other words its in OSU's best interest share the wealth. This is another reason the BIG is successful, in direct contrast to the issues with the Texas 10. Keep hoping though, its what you have to hold onto.

When it comes to NCAA realignment, yes. You guys just want to ignore that you are one of 2 P5 schools in a state with a population of 3M. That doesn't change no matter how many names you call somebody or how many times you cry about Cowherd. You have no TV market, but keep believing you are significant.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

You think it is about leagues. You still don't get it. There may be a day when the schools have to stand on their own with all warts exposed and see where the chips fall. If there is a major overhaul in collegiate athletics, do you think OSU & Mich will give a shit about what happens to Iowa? Iowa is at near the bottom of the pecking order in the B10 just like ISU is in the B12. You can deny it all you want, but it doesn't change Iowa's limitations.

Lol, no.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

Drummer - you are 100 percent correct. So people from outside Iowa want to go to Iowa, pay out of state tuition, and help diversify the entire state and this is a bad thing? Many of us are from out of state but now live here. And Iowa is one of the most progressive and diverse schools in the country. And once again exactly why ISU fans and Randy are so clueless. We are a nationally relevant school outside of just sports where we are also clearly relevant. It really is so pathetic that Randy Peterson writes an article trying to put Iowa in the same picture with Iowa State when it comes to the future. Randy - The Big 12 is done and ISU isn't landing anywhere close to resembling a good conference. And great reporting Randy. You compare the contract the Big 12 has with ESPN versus the Big 10 showing how much more money ESPN is into the Big 12. Well 2 problems there Randy. First, that means if ESPN goes down that hurts the Big 12 more than the Big 10. Second, ever heard of the Big 10 network and revenue it generates? What an f-in idiot. Is he senile?

What it is... Kujawa. What it is, my brother.

 

[hawkssox1]

When it comes to NCAA realignment, yes. You guys just want to ignore that you are one of 2 P5 schools in a state with a population of 3M. That doesn't change no matter how many names you call somebody or how many times you cry about Cowherd. You have no TV market, but keep believing you are significant.

Jamie you need to get a new handle.

 

[Johnsoda123]

You guys don't seem to get it. Iowa has the same limitations as ISU. They are rustbelt schools in a small market with no metro areas to draw from. On the flip side, both are AAU and highly respected in their areas of expertise. In the eyes of athletic power brokers, both are similar in appeal.

Rust belt? Rust on the corn, hogs and soybeans?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

When it comes to NCAA realignment, yes. You guys just want to ignore that you are one of 2 P5 schools in a state with a population of 3M. That doesn't change no matter how many names you call somebody or how many times you cry about Cowherd. You have no TV market, but keep believing you are significant.

Remind me was Iowa's conference having members leave like ISU's having 4 leave. Is Iowa's conference desperately looking to find replacements? Does Iowa's conference not own it's own network and lucrative tv deal where as ISU's does not have its own channel but yet has one school (Texas) with its own giving them more power and $ than the others. When realignment was happening ISU not Iowa's conference was in danger of disbanding. Lastly which school with realignment in some cases being the one school from their conference rarely being mentioned of others wanting if they disbanded? I'll give you the answer on that last one it was Iowa St no one cared about taking if and when Big 12 dissolves.

So just ignore the fact with realignment ever happening Iowa is in a good firm situation being a big 10 member and ISU would be on shaky ground no matter how many people and TV sets there are in the state.

 

[mthawkeyes]

When it comes to NCAA realignment, yes. You guys just want to ignore that you are one of 2 P5 schools in a state with a population of 3M. That doesn't change no matter how many names you call somebody or how many times you cry about Cowherd. You have no TV market, but keep believing you are significant.

This won't be the case when the Big 12 folds.

 

[youcantguardme]

the downfall of ESPN is good for College Football

Does it not mean that BTN is more?

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

When it comes to NCAA realignment, yes. You guys just want to ignore that you are one of 2 P5 schools in a state with a population of 3M. That doesn't change no matter how many names you call somebody or how many times you cry about Cowherd. You have no TV market, but keep believing you are significant.

Iowa is the only P5 school in the state that's a solid, valued member of the most lucrative conference brand in the country. Sorry, I know it hurts, but it's true. The B1G isn't going anywhere. Your dream scenario of conferences falling apart and us being thrown into some mad max post-apocalyptic landscape of college sports with ISU where there are no options is desperate and kind of sad. It's not our fault you're clinging by the skin of your teeth in a shitty conference that doesn't care about you and will fold its tent exactly when UT and OU decide it's time to fold its tent because they have actual options. The B1G isn't going away. Iowa goes to Rose Bowls and Orange Bowls and NCAA tourneys. Win/win.

 

[robchawk]

When it comes to NCAA realignment, yes. You guys just want to ignore that you are one of 2 P5 schools in a state with a population of 3M. That doesn't change no matter how many names you call somebody or how many times you cry about Cowherd. You have no TV market, but keep believing you are significant.

again--you are wrong about the tv mkt for Iowa, Iowa has had some of the highest rated espn games in the past. ALso, I think if you look at ratings for just this past year Iowa's were better than ISU hands down,

I remember the sports talking idiots of DSM saying the Iowa Minn game--14-7--was one only a mother would watch then the ratings came out and that game was almost 2-1 vs the ISU/Baylor game which might have been ISU's highest rated game of the year.

 

[thirteenandtwo]

again--you are wrong about the tv mkt for Iowa, Iowa has had some of the highest rated espn games in the past. ALso, I think if you look at ratings for just this past year Iowa's were better than ISU hands down,

I remember the sports talking idiots of DSM saying the Iowa Minn game--14-7--was one only a mother would watch then the ratings came out and that game was almost 2-1 vs the ISU/Baylor game which might have been ISU's highest rated game of the year.

you are absolutely correct... the Iowa Hawkeyes have a great following all around the country... and you don't get talked about constantly by great people like Colin Cowherd if you're not one of the most popular colleges in the country.

more important than all of this is fixing the Playoff System to make it legitimate.
right now its too political... the teams should determine who gets in and who doesn't... right now, the people in power choose who gets in and who doesn't.

the Big Ten Conference Champion doesn't get in???
are you f'n kidding me?
this was an effort to belittle the Big Ten Conference in order to exalt the SEC.
who has that kind of power?
well... who owns the SEC Network?

no no... who beat Ohio State?
who had as many wins as Ohio State?
and who won the Big Ten Conference Championship Game?

that team doesn't get in... but Ohio State does...

who are the idiots running and ruining the show?

you know who they are.

 

[Dauminator]

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here!

Syllabic symmetry FTW

 

[ichawk24]

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

Number of viewers.

Iowa games:

Michigan 6.4M
Outback Bowl vs. FLA 6.1M
Nebraska 4.2M
Wisky 3.2M
Minnesota 1.0M
NDSU 1.0M
Rutgers 0.8M
Purdue 0.6M
NW 0.5M
Miami(OH) 0.4M

ISU:
OU 1.4M
OkSU 0.7M
WVU 0.6M
Baylor 0.5M
TT 0.3M
TCU 0.3M

 

[N.Legend]

You don't seem to understand that as long as Iowa is in the B1G, our future is secure. The B1G isn't going anywhere, and Iowa will always be a valued member. Same can't be said of the Big 12. If the Big 12 folds, ISU is screwed. No P5 conference is going to take them, for the very reasons you mentioned... small market, no TVs, etc. To try aligning Iowa and ISU's fate as it relates to conference and financial stability is stupid and desperate.

Or maybe a caution that should be considered instead of sticking one's head in the sand.

 

[Enfuego85]

Remind me was Iowa's conference having members leave like ISU's having 4 leave. Is Iowa's conference desperately looking to find replacements? Does Iowa's conference not own it's own network and lucrative tv deal where as ISU's does not have its own channel but yet has one school (Texas) with its own giving them more power and $ than the others. When realignment was happening ISU not Iowa's conference was in danger of disbanding. Lastly which school with realignment in some cases being the one school from their conference rarely being mentioned of others wanting if they disbanded? I'll give you the answer on that last one it was Iowa St no one cared about taking if and when Big 12 dissolves.

So just ignore the fact with realignment ever happening Iowa is in a good firm situation being a big 10 member and ISU would be on shaky ground no matter how many people and TV sets there are in the state.

We are talking about individual schools. There may be no conference protection for anyone in the next big realignment. Iowa will have to stand on market opportunity, and it has none.

 

[Enfuego85]

you are absolutely correct... the Iowa Hawkeyes have a great following all around the country... and you don't get talked about constantly by great people like Colin Cowherd if you're not one of the most popular colleges in the country.

more important than all of this is fixing the Playoff System to make it legitimate.
right now its too political... the teams should determine who gets in and who doesn't... right now, the people in power choose who gets in and who doesn't.

the Big Ten Conference Champion doesn't get in???
are you f'n kidding me?
this was an effort to belittle the Big Ten Conference in order to exalt the SEC.
who has that kind of power?
well... who owns the SEC Network?

no no... who beat Ohio State?
who had as many wins as Ohio State?
and who won the Big Ten Conference Championship Game?

that team doesn't get in... but Ohio State does...

who are the idiots running and ruining the show?

you know who they are.

LOL!!

 

[Enfuego85]

again--you are wrong about the tv mkt for Iowa, Iowa has had some of the highest rated espn games in the past. ALso, I think if you look at ratings for just this past year Iowa's were better than ISU hands down,

I remember the sports talking idiots of DSM saying the Iowa Minn game--14-7--was one only a mother would watch then the ratings came out and that game was almost 2-1 vs the ISU/Baylor game which might have been ISU's highest rated game of the year.

Iowa's TV rating is solely dependant on the opponent. Games against a Mich or Wisc will get decent rating because they have a market.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

We are talking about individual schools. There may be no conference protection for anyone in the next big realignment. Iowa will have to stand on market opportunity, and it has none.

You believe this because you believe that sports revenue dictates conference protections. In your conference it might. It does not hold sway in the BIG conference. CIC and research funding does. The OSU/Michs would probably love to have their own TV show and sports revenue stream but they aren't going to give up the CIC to get that. It would be a net loss in revenue.

 

[Enfuego85]

You believe this because you believe that sports revenue dictates conference protections. In your conference it might. It does not hold sway in the BIG conference. CIC and research funding does. The OSU/Michs would probably love to have their own TV show and sports revenue stream but they aren't going to give up the CIC to get that. It would be a net loss in revenue.

You are correct about research $$$ being a large factor. The research $$$ dwarf athletic revenues, and hopefully these realignment decisions are driven at the prez. Level. This of course would make Iowa and ISU safe in any discussion. If market is a driving force, then both have risk.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

You are correct about research $$$ being a large factor. The research $$$ dwarf athletic revenues, and hopefully these realignment decisions are driven at the prez. Level. This of course would make Iowa and ISU safe in any discussion. If market is a driving force, then both have risk.

You're still trying to lump Iowa and ISU together here. ISU isn't under the umbrella of the CIC. IOWA IS!
Research funding pays a lot of bills at ISU. Way more than athletics does, that's for sure. So if realignment leaves ISU out of a major conference, it won't shut the doors to your college. It just means you will have to join a smaller conference. Iowa's situation with the CIC and the BIG conference is different and it's why Iowa will never be cut out of any re-alignment discussion.
I'm sorry to bust up your arguments because they are partly correct in that the death of large TV contracts are going the way of the dinosaur. And if it goes to ala cart viewing, Iowa will still draw far fewer viewers than Ohio St. But the ala cart viewer funds will still go into a conference pool and they will still be distributed accordingly. Why do I think that? Because that's how it's done right now with the conference driven TV contracts. Ohio St knows they drive the viewer market, along with PSU and Michigan. They can point to the revenue disparity right now, the same as they will be able to when the conference TV contracts end. That's why when you turn on the BTN, you see far more OSU/PSU/Mich related sports than you see Iowa. The changes that are inevitably coming, won't change the BIG conference because the CIC runs the conference.
People who aren't familiar with the CIC and how the conference is run, keep dreaming of adding Texas, UNC or even ND to the conference in the next re-alignment discussions. The BIG and ND are not ever going to happen because ND thinks it swings the biggest stick because of sports viewership and they want their own revenue stream. The CIC swings the biggest stick in this conference and it's much bigger than sports, ND or any sports driven viewership.

 

[Enfuego85]

You're still trying to lump Iowa and ISU together here. ISU isn't under the umbrella of the CIC. IOWA IS!
Research funding pays a lot of bills at ISU. Way more than athletics does, that's for sure. So if realignment leaves ISU out of a major conference, it won't shut the doors to your college. It just means you will have to join a smaller conference. Iowa's situation with the CIC and the BIG conference is different and it's why Iowa will never be cut out of any re-alignment discussion.
I'm sorry to bust up your arguments because they are partly correct in that the death of large TV contracts are going the way of the dinosaur. And if it goes to ala cart viewing, Iowa will still draw far fewer viewers than Ohio St. But the ala cart viewer funds will still go into a conference pool and they will still be distributed accordingly. Why do I think that? Because that's how it's done right now with the conference driven TV contracts. Ohio St knows they drive the viewer market, along with PSU and Michigan. They can point to the revenue disparity right now, the same as they will be able to when the conference TV contracts end. That's why when you turn on the BTN, you see far more OSU/PSU/Mich related sports than you see Iowa. The changes that are inevitably coming, won't change the BIG conference because the CIC runs the conference.
People who aren't familiar with the CIC and how the conference is run, keep dreaming of adding Texas, UNC or even ND to the conference in the next re-alignment discussions. The BIG and ND are not ever going to happen because ND thinks it swings the biggest stick because of sports viewership and they want their own revenue stream. The CIC swings the biggest stick in this conference and it's much bigger than sports, ND or any sports driven viewership.

ISU is one of the only non CIC universities that collaborates on CIC projects. Look it up.

 

[hawkssox1]

You're still trying to lump Iowa and ISU together here. ISU isn't under the umbrella of the CIC. IOWA IS!
Research funding pays a lot of bills at ISU. Way more than athletics does, that's for sure. So if realignment leaves ISU out of a major conference, it won't shut the doors to your college. It just means you will have to join a smaller conference. Iowa's situation with the CIC and the BIG conference is different and it's why Iowa will never be cut out of any re-alignment discussion.
I'm sorry to bust up your arguments because they are partly correct in that the death of large TV contracts are going the way of the dinosaur. And if it goes to ala cart viewing, Iowa will still draw far fewer viewers than Ohio St. But the ala cart viewer funds will still go into a conference pool and they will still be distributed accordingly. Why do I think that? Because that's how it's done right now with the conference driven TV contracts. Ohio St knows they drive the viewer market, along with PSU and Michigan. They can point to the revenue disparity right now, the same as they will be able to when the conference TV contracts end. That's why when you turn on the BTN, you see far more OSU/PSU/Mich related sports than you see Iowa. The changes that are inevitably coming, won't change the BIG conference because the CIC runs the conference.
People who aren't familiar with the CIC and how the conference is run, keep dreaming of adding Texas, UNC or even ND to the conference in the next re-alignment discussions. The BIG and ND are not ever going to happen because ND thinks it swings the biggest stick because of sports viewership and they want their own revenue stream. The CIC swings the biggest stick in this conference and it's much bigger than sports, ND or any sports driven viewership.

ND will end up in the ACC(FOOTBALL INCLUDED).

 

[Enfuego85]

ND will end up in the ACC(FOOTBALL INCLUDED).

I don't think ND will ever join the B10.

 

[David1979]

Some of these people are so short sighted and ignorant. Just because ESPN is losing viewers does not mean that all of the sudden college football is not going to be popular. There will be someone that is going to pay huge contracts for the right to air them no matter what ESPN does whether it is HULU, Netflix or some other company. These idiots just think, uh oh people aren't buying cable therefore no money for college athletics.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I don't think ND will ever join the B10.

They won't because they awere already invited and ND wanted to keep their revenue stream. The BIG said no. No program will ever join the BIG and dictate terms because the CIC dictates terms and they swing the biggest stick!

 

[hawkssox1]

I don't think ND will ever join the B10.

In other news the earth is round.

 

[Enfuego85]

They won't because they awere already invited and ND wanted to keep their revenue stream. The BIG said no. No program will ever join the BIG and dictate terms because the CIC dictates terms and they swing the biggest stick!

I think there were comments made by a B10 leading University disparaging ND many years ago and leadership at ND claimed they would never join the B10 as a result. Times change but ND seemingly sticks to its guns.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

ISU is one of the only non CIC universities that collaborates on CIC projects. Look it up.

I get that. I already said that ISU gets a lot of money from research funding. It's not the same thing.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I think there were comments made by a B10 leading University disparaging ND many years ago and leadership at ND claimed they would never join the B10 as a result. Times change but ND seemingly sticks to its guns.

I don't think the BIG or ND are suffering because of it.

 

[ichawk24]

The reason Maryland/Rutgers happened:

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingBySource&ds=herd

Rutgers 33rd nationally in R&D expenditures
Maryland 43rd

Those two schools are slam-dunk institutional fits for the B1G.

Notre Dame 105th, I agree that if they ever join a conference for football, it is the ACC. They fit with those peers (smaller, private, more undergraduate-focused) on an institutional level.

Iowa 49th is the lowest B1G school, outside of Nebraska. (Indiana 46, Michigan State 38th)

ISU is 77th, a smidge ahead of 79th Nebraska. If ISU enters the CFB top 5 all-time win leaders, they'll be able to sneak into the B1G.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

In other news the earth is round.

Those of us that know history...will find the hidden chuckle in the comment.

Well done.

 

[HerkyFan]

When it comes to NCAA realignment, yes. You guys just want to ignore that you are one of 2 P5 schools in a state with a population of 3M. That doesn't change no matter how many names you call somebody or how many times you cry about Cowherd. You have no TV market, but keep believing you are significant.

It isn't about Iowa's TV market it is about the conference Iowa is in. As along as there are companies willing to do marketing, advertising will always be in existence and the Big Ten will always have large population centers tha will make it attractive. Not so with the Texas Ten when OU and Texas cuts and runs.

isu will be in the group 5 and still be a "have-not".

 

[HerkyFan]

ISU is one of the only non CIC universities that collaborates on CIC projects. Look it up.

They are also one of the few schools with massive research fraud recently.

Look it up.

 

[Enfuego85]

It isn't about Iowa's TV market it is about the conference Iowa is in. As along as there are companies willing to do marketing, advertising will always be in existence and the Big Ten will always have large population centers tha will make it attractive. Not so with the Texas Ten when OU and Texas cuts and runs.

isu will be in the group 5 and still be a "have-not".

I understand the commentary that Iowa wants to live off its big market brethren, but there could be a point where they have to stand on their own 2 feet marketwise. If/when that time comes, the picture is not flattering. It is the exact same picture that ISU is facing.

 

[KujawaFan]

As much as Randy and the idiot Clowns would like Armageddon across the entire college football landscape so ISU isn't left behind it isn't happening. There is only 1 Power 5 conference that is struggling both on the field and with dissatisfaction of members. Big 12. They continue to be at the bottom of the Power 5 in terms of results, prestige (outside of 2 teams), and a network. They already lost 4 teams and added none. Your best team over the last 20 years, Oklahoma, wants out. They and Texas drive that conference. Be like OSU or Michigan wanting out. Never happening and at least the Big 10 has other blue bloods. These morons keep trying to put Iowa and ISU in the same team picture based solely on state population. Hell, we aren't even playing the same sport. Really sad.

 

[here_for_the_hawkeyes]

The viewers aren't going anywhere, they're just less interested in network TV. ESPN is smart to move content to mobile lest they become Kodak. No reason I can see for the overall level of competition for live broadcasting rights to diminish. Netflix pays huge sums for broadcasting rights, other companies should continue to do the same as long as the viewers don't go anywhere.

 

[ping72]

Most at risk are the numerous meaningless bowl games. Schools already lose money on those, and that's with ESPN already overpaying for them.

 

[mikesright]

In literally every way possible Iowa is well positioned as an athletic department to deal with the changing media landscape. If there was a recession, and only the top 20 programs survived Iowa would be one of the survivors. Iowa is in the top 20 for donations. Iowa football draws some of the best ratings and has a large reach. UI athletics has very little debt for a department of their size.

On the other hand, little brother has lots of long term debt with a much longer repayment schedule than Iowa, a shallow donation base (they're overreliant on big agriculture, oil and gas donors, plus the Reimanns, while Iowa has both big donors and a big base of small/medium donors for rights to season tickets), low ratings and a low interest level for anything besides basketball.

Lets put it this way, if roles were reversed and Iowa was in the Big 12, Iowa would not be talked about in the sense of being left out with realignment.

 

[HerkyFan]

I understand the commentary that Iowa wants to live off its big market brethren, but there could be a point where they have to stand on their own 2 feet marketwise. If/when that time comes, the picture is not flattering. It is the exact same picture that ISU is facing.

No because as I and many others have stated the Big Ten isn't going anywhere. How the money comes to the Big Ten may change but it will continue to be either #1 or #2 while the Texas Ten falls further behind. Did you blow past the post that showed the Iowa Michigan game had more viewers than six of isu's games combined?

Only an isu fan would claim Iowa and isu are in recruiting he same marketplace with those facts.