Pew pew pew Buffalo, NY- why was this thread closed

[ft254]

Good lord. I’m asking you to disprove anything he said. You can’t because nothing he said is false. He didn’t include “conspiracy” at all.

He presented information and the audience can treat them all as separate facts about immigration and democracy. That’s it.

Why do you consider this an issue? He can function in a shit operation like Fox because there is no responsibility to produce truth. You say he can say whatever he wants because the network and audience approves and that makes whatever he says OK?

This is not journalism, or even responsible editorializing. There is responsibility in producing a product that does not harm the public good. If a network produces untruth and falsehoods that's bad enough, and subject to protection by litigation. Carlson is being accused of pushing rhetoric beyond this, possibly inciting racial attacks.

I don't know if this is case, but he is inflammatory and has a radical, even vociferous element within his audience. If his behavior on air is deemed threatening to public safety, he will be sanctioned.

 

[ihhawk]

I suppose it's possible that Waukesha has fewer resources than Buffalo, and that they were taxed at a higher degree given the level of destruction caused by the vehicle rampage. It's also possible that she just used that as a palatable and reasonable justification for having a different/higher priority at that time.

I suppose it's also possible that the nature of this Buffalo shooting is a priority for Biden based on it being another mass shooting and another instance of the motive being white supremacy.

I suppose it could also be that there are so many mass killings that it would be impractical to visit them all, and when you miss some, there may be no good reason at all.

I also suppose it could be that Biden would have visited if the killer in Waukesha was white, and that when they realized the killer was black, they decided: "we can't possibly visit now, that doesn't fit our narrative!". However, I don't think that this option is obviously the only plausible reason. Some people likely think that he people who do feel that it is obvious may be a little too wrapped up in identity politics and their political tribes. Said another way, already radicalized.

Don't go to 8chan.

Or, it isn’t politically advantageous to visit shooting victims when the shooter was a person of color.

 

[NCHawk5]

Why do you consider this an issue? He can function in a shit operation like Fox because there is no responsibility to produce truth. You say he can say whatever he wants because the network and audience approves and that makes whatever he says OK?

This is not journalism, or even responsible editorializing. There is responsibility in producing a product that does not harm the public good. If a network produces untruth and falsehoods that's bad enough, and subject to protection by litigation. Carlson is being accused of pushing rhetoric beyond this, possibly inciting racial attacks.

I don't know if this is case, but he is inflammatory and has a radical, even vociferous element within his audience. If his behavior on air is deemed threatening to public safety, he will be sanctioned.

Again, I find value in Tucker because he exposes elements of the Democratic Party that many casually gloss over.

You’re talking about a few minutes of clips over 250+ hours/year of airtime. He talks about a lot of shit. If he starts 30 minute segments about how Mexicans are inherently evil or the Jews are taking over the world, then I’m all for silencing him.

The left has turned a tragedy that’s entirely related to mental health/gun problems and turned it into a gd discussion about a tv show host with no ties to the killer.

You want to know why? Because they have failed again at preventing a shooting that had warning signs and flags popping up all over the place. THE GUY threatened to shoot up his school a year ago.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Or, it isn’t politically advantageous to visit shooting victims when the shooter was a person of color.

Yeah, obviously that's the only plausible reason. - Says the twisted hyper-partisan, identify politics enamored, yet totally rational person that doesn't need to do research because things are obvious.

Mocking aside, I thought you were wound up about the Waukesha parade attack which wasn't a shooting. Must be some other obvious thing I'm missing.

 

[ihhawk]

Yeah, obviously that's the only plausible reason. - Says the twisted hyper-partisan, identify politics enamored, yet totally rational person that doesn't need to do research because things are obvious.

Mocking aside, I thought you were wound up about the Waukesha parade attack which wasn't a shooting. Must be some other obvious thing I'm missing.

Explain why Jacob Blake would get a visit and parade victims wouldn’t?

 

[ThorneStockton]

Explain why Jacob Blake would get a visit and parade victims wouldn’t?

You quoted my post of possible plausible reasons like an hour ago, some of them apply to any tragedy. Did you not read it? I'm not going to bother doing it again, especially for someone who likely already knows the obvious answer, something about a narrative. I just hope you don't wind up on 8chan and decide you have a solution.

 

[Joes Place]

 

[ihhawk]

You quoted my post of possible plausible reasons like an hour ago, some of them apply to any tragedy. Did you not read it? I'm not going to bother doing it again, especially for someone who likely already knows the obvious answer, something about a narrative. I just hope you don't wind up on 8chan and decide you have a solution.

You listed off reasons…but don’t be naive…you are smarter than that.

 

[ThorneStockton]

You listed off reasons…but don’t be naive…you are smarter than that.

Maybe I'm not, it's obviously the smart people who don't need to consider plausible alternative explanations. They just know the obvious answers, without any research necessary.

Wait, that almost sounds like they have their own narrative.

Don't be a radical.... I'm not sure you're better than that.

 

[Mike Zierath]

You don’t find it interesting that he skips all of the others…and goes to the one with a white shooter

Not really. But, I understand why you might go there.

Mike

 

[Mike Zierath]

It’s pretty clear that the left is going to spin this however they want and their followers are not going to think critically about what actually happened and why.

So…….you don’t think he was a racist POS?

Mike

 

[NCHawk5]

Not really. But, I understand why you might go there.

Mike

Politics and media are largely driven by confirming a narrative. “Right wing terrorism is the greatest threat to America” was a narrative pushed by the media and Biden over the last year.

Now an incident occurs that confirms that narrative (though not conclusively, as the manifesto is contradictory of his political views). The media and Biden follow. Doesn’t mean their narrative is wrong, just means their concern/grief for victims is not exactly genuine.

 

[NCHawk5]

So…….you don’t think he was a racist POS?

Mike

I think racist POS applies. I also think mental illness applies. As to what’s more applicable, I don’t know. He threatened shooting people on at least two other occasions with no indications of race being a motivator for the threats.

 

[Firekirknow]

Or, it isn’t politically advantageous to visit shooting victims when the shooter was a person of color.

He wrote a manifesto to recruit more violence. He live streamed it. Come on your smarter than this

 

[Mike Zierath]

Politics and media are largely driven by confirming a narrative. “Right wing terrorism is the greatest threat to America” was a narrative pushed by the media and Biden over the last year.

Now an incident occurs that confirms that narrative (though not conclusively, as the manifesto is contradictory of his political views). The media and Biden follow. Doesn’t mean their narrative is wrong, just means their concern/grief for victims is not exactly genuine.

So….there’s no such thing as domestic terrorism from the left?

I agree that it’s less likely, but I guarantee there are just as many people on the left with issues that have guns that could shoot 4 or more people ad become a statistic as well.

we need to quit making this political and start treating it for what it is: a problem that crosses all kinds of lines!

Mike

 

[NCHawk5]

So….there’s no such thing as domestic terrorism from the left?

I agree that it’s less likely, but I guarantee there are just as many people on the left with issues that have guns that could shoot 4 or more people ad become a statistic as well.

we need to quit making this political and start treating it for what it is: a problem that crosses all kinds of lines!

Mike

Amen, and I agree completely. I’m just observing. I don’t align myself with one party, as I see problems with both. Obviously I tend to disagree with the left more frequently.

 

[ihhawk]

He wrote a manifesto to recruit more violence. He live streamed it. Come on your smarter than this

The NYC Subway shooter also had a manifesto. He actually writes a lot of the same garbage as Buffalo.

You would think that a mass shooting in NYC, in the subway system that is used by hundreds of thousands every day, would warrant a visit by POTUS…but it was just the wrong narrative

 

[noleclone2]

The responses in this thread from 6-7 of our far right Mensa members breathlessly clamoring we don’t have an issue with racism or the GOP exciting violence with their race baiting is all the proof you need that we do.

 

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[Joes Place]

 

[NCHawk5]

The responses in this thread from 6-7 of our far right Mensa members breathlessly clamoring we don’t have an issue with racism or the GOP exciting violence with their race baiting is all the proof you need that we do.

The 50+ robots from the left in this thread trying to make this into a republican issue show what is inherently wrong with politics in this country. When gun/mental health reform hasn’t been done, you just throw a Hail Mary by blaming one side for everything.

The bobble heads/soldiers just live for a reason to hate half the country and label them as mass shooting perpetrators. In reality, most of this country is moderate/conservative. I guess hating everyone is all right with you.

 

[Finance85]

Excerpts from the manifesto -

https://gunnerqcom.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/gendron_manifesto.pdf

Are you a part of any political group or movement? I am not a direct member of any organization or group, though I support many.

Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your attack? No, I am the sole perpetrator of this attack. I’ve had many influences from others but it was only me who decided to continue this.

Why did you target those people? They are an obvious, visible, and large group of replacers. From a culture with higher fertility rates and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. It would have eased me if I knew all the blacks I would be killing were criminals or future criminals, but then I realized all black people are replacers just by existing in White countries.

Are you a white supremacist? Yes, I would call myself a white supremacist, afterall, which race is responsible for the world we live in today? I believe the White race is superior in the brain to all other races.

Are you racist? Yes I am racist because I believe in differences of capabilities between races.

Are you “right wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you “left wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you a socialist? Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of production? It depends on who those workers are, their intentions, who currently owns the means of production, their intentions and who currently owns the state, and their intentions.

Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most? Yes and his name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant. Brenton’s livestream started everything you see here. Brenton started my real research into the problems with immigration and foreigners in our White lands, without his livestream I would likely have no idea about the real problems the West is facing.

 

[ihhawk]

Excerpts from the manifesto -

https://gunnerqcom.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/gendron_manifesto.pdf

Are you a part of any political group or movement? I am not a direct member of any organization or group, though I support many.

Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your attack? No, I am the sole perpetrator of this attack. I’ve had many influences from others but it was only me who decided to continue this.

Why did you target those people? They are an obvious, visible, and large group of replacers. From a culture with higher fertility rates and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. It would have eased me if I knew all the blacks I would be killing were criminals or future criminals, but then I realized all black people are replacers just by existing in White countries.

Are you a white supremacist? Yes, I would call myself a white supremacist, afterall, which race is responsible for the world we live in today? I believe the White race is superior in the brain to all other races.

Are you racist? Yes I am racist because I believe in differences of capabilities between races.

Are you “right wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you “left wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you a socialist? Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of production? It depends on who those workers are, their intentions, who currently owns the means of production, their intentions and who currently owns the state, and their intentions.

Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most? Yes and his name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant. Brenton’s livestream started everything you see here. Brenton started my real research into the problems with immigration and foreigners in our White lands, without his livestream I would likely have no idea about the real problems the West is facing.

Brenton Tarrant looks a lot like Tucker

 

[Joes Place]

Excerpts from the manifesto -

https://gunnerqcom.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/gendron_manifesto.pdf

Are you a part of any political group or movement? I am not a direct member of any organization or group, though I support many.

Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your attack? No, I am the sole perpetrator of this attack. I’ve had many influences from others but it was only me who decided to continue this.

Why did you target those people? They are an obvious, visible, and large group of replacers. From a culture with higher fertility rates and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. It would have eased me if I knew all the blacks I would be killing were criminals or future criminals, but then I realized all black people are replacers just by existing in White countries.

Are you a white supremacist? Yes, I would call myself a white supremacist, afterall, which race is responsible for the world we live in today? I believe the White race is superior in the brain to all other races.

Are you racist? Yes I am racist because I believe in differences of capabilities between races.

Are you “right wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you “left wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you a socialist? Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of production? It depends on who those workers are, their intentions, who currently owns the means of production, their intentions and who currently owns the state, and their intentions.

Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most? Yes and his name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant. Brenton’s livestream started everything you see here. Brenton started my real research into the problems with immigration and foreigners in our White lands, without his livestream I would likely have no idea about the real problems the West is facing.

Weird

"Left wing" and "white supremacist" don't really go together, do they?
We know who/what he is. And he's fully aligned with the far-right Republican groups.

Irrespective of the smokescreen you're posting here. You'd be wise to listen to some of the sane elements of the GOP who are openly calling it out.

 

[ihhawk]

Weird

"Left wing" and "white supremacist" don't really go together, do they?
We know who/what he is. And he's fully aligned with the far-right Republican groups.

Irrespective of the smokescreen you're posting here. You'd be wise to listen to some of the sane elements of the GOP who are openly calling it out.

Fuking comical. You agree with parts that fit your narrative and brush away parts that don’t.

 

[Joes Place]

Fuking comical. You agree with parts that fit your narrative and brush away parts that don’t.

You haven't been reading what actual conservatives are saying about it. Because that blows up your propaganda narrative.

 

[ft254]

So….there’s no such thing as domestic terrorism from the left?

I agree that it’s less likely, but I guarantee there are just as many people on the left with issues that have guns that could shoot 4 or more people ad become a statistic as well.

we need to quit making this political and start treating it for what it is: a problem that crosses all kinds of lines!

Mike

Bullshit. That’s a coward’s statement. Domestic terrorism is white supremacy. Hide behind the Michigan and NORTH CAROLINA bushes as best you can.

 

[Finance85]

Weird

"Left wing" and "white supremacist" don't really go together, do they?
We know who/what he is. And he's fully aligned with the far-right Republican groups.

Irrespective of the smokescreen you're posting here. You'd be wise to listen to some of the sane elements of the GOP who are openly calling it out.

WTF are you blabbering about. I simply posted excerpts from the FAQ section of the document. You are the one interjecting your opinion.

 

[NCHawk5]

Weird

"Left wing" and "white supremacist" don't really go together, do they?
We know who/what he is. And he's fully aligned with the far-right Republican groups.

Irrespective of the smokescreen you're posting here. You'd be wise to listen to some of the sane elements of the GOP who are openly calling it out.

JFC they certainly can. You’re trying to check boxes instead of looking at evidence. Similar to how you handle the Covid problem. You’re arriving at a conclusion then finding evidence to support it instead of the other way around.

 

[NCHawk5]

Bullshit. That’s a coward’s statement. Domestic terrorism is white supremacy. Hide behind the Michigan and NORTH CAROLINA bushes as best you can.

You sure about all that? There’s a LOT of evidence of left wing extremists being a problem in this country’s history. You make one hell of an absolute claim here, not sure if that’s the most sane thing to do.

 

[Mike Zierath]

Bullshit. That’s a coward’s statement. Domestic terrorism is white supremacy. Hide behind the Michigan and NORTH CAROLINA bushes as best you can.

Hmmmm.

y’all gonna leave that one to me. Huh? Ok!

son, you may be reading wayyyyyyyy toooooooo Much into what I said. You may want to reread the post I was responding to, and then mine.

I’ll wait.

 

[Finance85]

The 50+ robots from the left in this thread trying to make this into a republican issue show what is inherently wrong with politics in this country. When gun/mental health reform hasn’t been done, you just throw a Hail Mary by blaming one side for everything.

The bobble heads/soldiers just live for a reason to hate half the country and label them as mass shooting perpetrators. In reality, most of this country is moderate/conservative. I guess hating everyone is all right with you.

This dude's hate was certainly rooted in racism, against black people and Jews in particular. He certainly wasn't limited though. He also hated capitalists and politicians. To try and make him fit some particular mold is foolish. He even said he hoped his actions would lead to more gun control.

 

[Joes Place]

So….there’s no such thing as domestic terrorism from the left?

No one argues it doesn't exist.

But it clearly does not have the direct support as a "Party Platform" or in their typical rhetoric. Nor in the tracked "outcomes"

 

[Joes Place]

WTF are you blabbering about. I simply posted excerpts from the FAQ section of the document.

So, you are so incredibly naive you'll take that FAQ at face value, rather than recognizing the context here.

Got it.

 

[Finance85]

So, you are so incredibly naive you'll take that FAQ at face value, rather than recognizing the context here.

Got it.

Yes, I'm taking what the guy wrote about himself at face value. I'm not going to pretend to know how he thinks because I'll never understand it.

I do understand his thinking wasn't linear. I also understand that he went out of his way to not conform.

Don't torture yourself over it. Even as adept as you are at moving goalposts, you won't be able to move them fast enough when it comes to Gendron. He's all over the place with his hate.

 

[Joes Place]

Yes, I'm taking what the guy wrote about himself at face value

I'm taking what he DID at face value.

Which, in targeting minorities, is not something someone "left leaning" would have done.

 

[Finance85]

I'm taking what he DID at face value.

Which, in targeting minorities, is not something someone "left leaning" would have done.

What he did is exactly what he said he was going to do in his document.

You are a real piece of work. Everything has to fit in a nice little box for you. You can't possibly fathom how someone could think differently.

Dude hates Jews, too. Do right leaning people hate Jews? Do right leaning people hate capitalists? It's possible to think left on some issues and right on other issues. That's something you just don't seem to fathom.

It's pretty clear you either didn't read the document, or you are just cherry picking, or you put your own pre-conceived interpretation on the words as you were reading them. None of this is new. You do it all the time.

 

[Joes Place]

What he did is exactly what he said he was going to do in his document.

Shoot up a bunch of minorities?

That's something a MAGA Republican would do. A.K.A "Replacement Theory".
Not a "liberal".

 

[Mike Zierath]

No one argues it doesn't exist.

But it clearly does not have the direct support as a "Party Platform" or in their typical rhetoric. Nor in the tracked "outcomes"

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somebody was…

what about the other 21%?

 

[tumorboy]

Left this thread alone for a few days. Been able to draw two conclusions.
1. Alot of u regardless of politics are MF crazy.
2. Love u guys don't ever change.