Planned Parenthood says it will no longer profit from aborted fetal.....
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Very interesting that PP said nothing of profit in that article.
No, they said they would stop collecting reimbursement fees they were legally entitled to collect.
http://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/planned-parenthood-to-forgo-payment-for-fetal-tissue.45998/
If PP only did what they were allowed to do why not just say that on the videos? If they would have then there never would have been any videos.
You realize that there isn't anything on the videos that PP isn't allowed to do, right?
Ummm...they did. It was edited out of the early releases.
They talked about it in the videos. The impact of the videos was that it showed how callous the attitude was, not how illegal some particular activity was.
I think what's interesting is they and entire left have been saying " nothing to see here, move on" but then reversed the policy. If they were accurate, why not stick to their guns?
LC just said that too. It's all about wanting to appear sensitive. Literally the pussification of America in federal policy. I can't tell you how tickled I am that this is coming from the dandies on the right.
You mentioned the videos were all about attitudes and feelings, hence sensitivity. From there its a meme about how the daddy party is weak and soft and can't deal with real issues.
Who said deleted? I said edited. they released edited videos for public consumption and left the real story buried. For example, this...
“Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”
“No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.”
“Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.”
...NEVER made it into their edited releases. Instead, they spun the story that this was all about profit. They lied. Their OWN unedited video proves it.
They didn't reverse anything. They will still offer patients the option to donate tissue. PP will just eat the cost.
We had this discussion before. I watched the videos on Fox News Channel, and those statements were part of the original clips.
And for the record as for "deleted" vs "edited," you are claiming the tapes were edited by deleting certain parts from the version released to the public.If you prefer "omitted" to "deleted," no problem.
They were absolutely NOT in the clips released in the beginning. They were part of the data dump. The EDITED videos contained none of the footage where the PP rep said there was no profit involved.
As for deleted segments...well...these jacklegs already said they turned the cameras off. What happened during those periods is unknown. And don't give me the "bathroom breaks" or "eating dinner" dodge. That's THEIR story and we already know they lied when they presented this story as PP selling parts for profit.
Here's the EDITED release:
ACTOR: So that it doesn't raise any question of this is what it's about, this is the main -- what -- what price range would you --
NUCATOLA: You know, I'm -- I could throw a number out that's anywhere from $30 to $100 depending on the facility, and what's involved.
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ACTOR: The $30 to $100 price range, that's per specimen that we're talking about, right?
NUCATOLA: Per specimen, yes. [The Center for Medical Progress, 7/14/15]
Here's the UNEDITED exchange:
ACTOR: Okay, so, when you are, or the affiliate is determining what that monetary --
NUCATOLA: Yes.
ACTOR: So that it doesn't raise any question of this is what it's about, this is the main -- what - what price range would you --
NUCATOLA: You know, I'm -- I could throw a number out that's anywhere from $30 to $100 depending on the facility, and what's involved. It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there that's going to be doing everything, or is their staff going to be doing it? What exactly are they going to be doing? Is there shipping involved, is somebody coming to pick it up -- so, I think everybody just wants to -- it's really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that? Or are you basically just doing something completely egregious, that you should be doing for free. So it just needs to be justifiable.
And, look, we have 67 affiliates. They all have different practice environments, very different staff, and so with that number --
ACTOR: Did you say 67?
NUCATOLA: 67.
ACTOR: Okay. And so of that number, how much would personality of the personnel in there, would play into it as far as how we're speaking to them --
NUCATOLA: I think for affiliates, at the end of the day, they're a non-profit, they just don't want to -- they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they're happy to do that. Really their bottom line is, they just, they want to break even. Every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn't get otherwise. [The Center for Medical Progress, 7/14/15]
See all that stuff in red where Dr. Nucatola REPEATEDLY says there is no profit motive involved? Does she ever once talk about "selling" anything?
Yet, here's the spin from The Center for Medical Progress' own press release:
New undercover footage shows Planned Parenthood Federation of America's Senior Director of Medical Services, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, describing how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of aborted fetuses, and admitting she uses partial-birth abortions to supply intact body parts.
The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2).
Complete lie. Dr. Nucatola never ONCE talked about selling tissue. In fact, the word she regularly used throughout the video was "donated". Of course, that was edited out. And the response from the red meat crowd:
Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life.
Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!
Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment.
That is total BS based on the UNEDITED version of the interviews that were released. If you continue to claim otherwise, you're lying.
Because it probably gets old fighting the morons like Chaffetz.
Again, spin the logic around. If PP was selling, for profit, and not simply being reimbursed, they must be hurting for money, right? Except now all the sudden they are saying "screw it" and doing away with the reimbursements. Why? Because maybe they weren't "profiting" from selling fetus tissue to research facilities...
Tar, I saw those clips you quoted, and I didn't go online to see the complete unedited material. I saw them on Fox News Channel. Maybe they were showing them in addition to the stuff originally released by the organization. I do not know.
Or you read the quote here and in your old age just forgot and thought you must have seen them on fox news.
I have said repeatedly, I will never understand how the Dems wound up on the wrong side of this one.
Before I say this, I'm not for defunding PP. That said, they did reverse a policy or practice in which they would accept reimbursements for reasonable services. They used to do it, and now they won't. How is that not reversing anything?
I've often thought this too. The "keep your government hands off my body" fits a lot neater into the traditional R platform where the bleeding heart emotional appeals about babies would be a natural for D's. In a way, its sort of hopeful that people aren't ideologues.
I was always going to burn. Its sort of freeing really.You're going to burn for that comment.
Ahhhhh...so it wasn't the donating tissue that was the problem, it was the "profit" they were making. So yes, they have reversed course - but they will still offer patients the option of donating tissue. You guys ready to drop it now?
WTF do you mean you guys? Did I not say I was against defunding PP? Learn to fukking read.
Yeah, that must be it.
I didn't see a video clip in which a PP rep joked about buying a Lambo. Oh, wait, yes I did. What do you think the context of that comment was? I'll help you out: They were haggling about the price. On this occasion, and on others in the original clips, the PP people made clear they knew they weren't supposed to profit from the sale, and they were being coaxed by the hoax perps to come up with a figure.
The point is, it was clear to any halfway intelligent viewer that PP was endeavoring not to profit, or at least not to appear to profit, from the deal. Which is the same point made in the statements Tar says were omitted.
Yes, and the "government knows better than you what's good for you" is the traditional position of the Democrats. The two parties definitely seem to have switched personalities on this issue.
OK, two issues. One is what I referred to as in the original video; the other is to your b.s. at the bottom of the discussion.
The part you highlighted in red is mostly new to me, although I'm sure I've seen the comment about the affiliates being non-profits. But all it does is expand on what was in the edited version. She said in the edited video that the price might range from $30 to $100, depending upon where it's done and what the variables are. The red part simply goes into more detail about those variables.
As for your b.s., your definition of "selling" is hilarious. She's going to give them something, and in exchange for giving it to them, they're going to give her money. But you say that isn't a sale.
I can understand why the PP rep is making that claim. But you don't have her excuse.
Misleading is misleading. They were never profiting from the sales. FAUXRAGE!
Yeah, they were. Depending on how you define "profit." And in any case, I don't think the legal ban says anything about a profit. IIRC, it bans exchanging the tissue for something of value.
Of course, you could argue that the American dollar isn't "something of value," but that's another thread.....
Defunding has nothing to do with it. It wasn't the "profiting" that people were screaming about. You think they care if PP makes a profit or not? Most analysts said they were losing money on the donation reimbursement anyway. They did not reverse course on the only thing that mattered - they will still be offering women the opportunity to donate fetal tissue from abortions everywhere they were already doing it.
More BS. The part in red is where she explains that they are simply recouping the costs of the service. There is no profit involved. No one is "selling" anything. Why do you think they deleted that part? So they could push the false narrative that PP was profiting off the "sale".
Guess what? When they fly a heart from one location to another for a transplant, THAT cost gets reimbursed (they might actually make a profit). Yet nobody is accusing hospitals of trafficking in human hearts. Can you explain THAT disconnect, genius?
And how again does that put me into the "you guys" category,like I'm on the opposite sides?
