Play Clock

[cheerscoach]

After the 1st down on the fatal drive from the 3, the 40 second play clock started. The officials didn't spot the ball right away (or spotted it in the wrong place, the tv replay doesn't show) and there were 4 penn. st. players standing 5-7 yds. on the wrong side of the LOS making it impossible to huddle. He finally gets the PSU players on the right side of the LOS and finally sets the ball down that he has been carrying around with 16 seconds left on the play clock at which time Iowa huddles, which makes sense because they can't huddle with PSU players almost in their huddle. At that time the referee should have signaled to reset the play clock according to this rule; "-If the 40 second play clock is running and reads 25 or less when the ball is first ready to be snapped, the Referee will reset the play clock to 25 seconds."
The ball is not 'ready to be snapped' until it is spotted. There should be some reprimands for all the errors that officials had on this play. Good grief.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

I believe two of the officials are from Iowa.

Let’s face it we can make excuses all day long, our coach/QB should of just called TO. Not at the 1 second mark. When there was 8 seconds and our qb was trying to audible.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Those aren't excuses. Those are facts. The players screwed up, the coaches screwed up, but so did the refs, but they're the only ones not being held accountable.

 

[cheerscoach]

I believe two of the officials are from Iowa.

Let’s face it we can make excuses all day long, our coach/QB should of just called TO. Not at the 1 second mark. When there was 8 seconds and our qb was trying to audible.

Who cares where they are from? They screwed up big time. Iowa shouldn't have to waste a timeout because of the officials incompetency.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

Well I guess if your unhappy you should become an official. If you can do better sign up for the job!

They get reviewed and graded by their supervisor. I’m sure they will be dinged for something, but it all comes down to game management and we all know we struggle in that department.

 

[j0nnyhb_Prime]

Refs had a rough day same as the teams

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Well I guess if your unhappy you should become an official. If you can do better sign up for the job!

They get reviewed and graded by their supervisor. I’m sure they will be dinged for something, but it all comes down to game management and we all know we struggle in that department.

No.

 

[cheerscoach]

Well I guess if your unhappy you should become an official. If you can do better sign up for the job!

They get reviewed and graded by their supervisor. I’m sure they will be dinged for something, but it all comes down to game management and we all know we struggle in that department.

What a ridiculous statement. So if I'm unhappy with my meal at the restaurant, I should go back in the kitchen and cook it myself? No, the refs are paid to do a job and if they screw up, we are allowed to complain.

 

[grayhair81]

This gaffe came on top of the side judge swallowing his whistle on KFs attempted TO AND the game clock running after the Hawks had a first down at midfield and before the ball was spotted.
They still should have run the ball on first down.

 

[Franisdaman]

This gaffe came on top of the side judge swallowing his whistle on KFs attempted TO AND the game clock running after the Hawks had a first down at midfield and before the ball was spotted.
They still should have run the ball on first down.

KF was calling the time out well before the play got off, correct?

And it was clear the official saw him, correct?

So why didn't the official grant the time out?

Apparently there is a gif out there of KF calling the time out and the official beginning to wave his arms but suddenly stopped and let the play happen.

Nate got them into a good play. The clock, however, was running down, so KF called time out, like a good coach would. Too bad the ref did not do his job.

 

[markfromj]

The refs...but they're the only ones not being held accountable.

How do you know this?

 

[HaydenHawk8]

KF was calling the time out well before the play got off, correct?

And it was clear the official saw him, correct?

So why didn't the official grant the time out?

Apparently there is a gif out there of KF calling the time out and the official beginning to wave his arms but suddenly stopped and let the play happen.

Nate got them into a good play. The clock, however, was running down, so KF called time out, like a good coach would. Too bad the ref did not do his job.

Is there video evidence of KF running down to get a TO?? I have yet to see it, I’ve only heard people stating it.

 

[Franisdaman]

Is there video evidence of KF running down to get a TO?? I have yet to see it, I’ve only heard people stating it.

pretty sure there is; and the ref saw him and began to wave his arms and then stopped; KF should have been granted the TO from what I understand and the INT would have never happened

It just sucks because Nate changed the play to a better play. HOWEVER, since it got so chaotic, KF decided to call time out.

Also note that Iowa's center said he almost did not snap the ball because he knew everybody was on different pages. He said he thought a 5 yard penalty would have been better than not everybody being on the same page (and he was hoping someone would call TO).

 

[cheerscoach]

Should have never had to call a timeout. Should have been 10 more seconds on the play clock. Plenty of time to change and execute that play.

 

[CAhawki]

Not to pile on the refs... but numerous media folk noticed, on the final drive that ended in the Wirfs run, that the clock was starting before the chains and crew where even set.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Not to pile on the refs... but numerous media folk noticed, on the final drive that ended in the Wirfs run, that the clock was starting before the chains and crew where even set.

Thank you. I posted thread maybe to early after the game with a million threads popping up asking if anyone else saw or maybe I was wrong with what I saw. But after pass to Fant on final drive the clock starts before the ref had even placed the ball down and motioned for clock to restart after the first down. For some reason no one on Iowa's sideline saw or protested let alone the officials who could have stopped and reset the game clock to time left on 1st down.

 

[papabeef]

Who cares where they are from? They screwed up big time. Iowa shouldn't have to waste a timeout because of the officials incompetency.

we needed a time out because fants mind set was not in the play , he was in lala land

 

[cheerscoach]

we needed a time out because fants mind set was not in the play , he was in lala land

If the right time was on the play clock, Fant would've had plenty of time to figure it out.

 

[scotthawk1964]

After the 1st down on the fatal drive from the 3, the 40 second play clock started. The officials didn't spot the ball right away (or spotted it in the wrong place, the tv replay doesn't show) and there were 4 penn. st. players standing 5-7 yds. on the wrong side of the LOS making it impossible to huddle. He finally gets the PSU players on the right side of the LOS and finally sets the ball down that he has been carrying around with 16 seconds left on the play clock at which time Iowa huddles, which makes sense because they can't huddle with PSU players almost in their huddle. At that time the referee should have signaled to reset the play clock according to this rule; "-If the 40 second play clock is running and reads 25 or less when the ball is first ready to be snapped, the Referee will reset the play clock to 25 seconds."
The ball is not 'ready to be snapped' until it is spotted. There should be some reprimands for all the errors that officials had on this play. Good grief.

Who knows, the refs could have made a mistake. Either way, had we just called a TO, Kirk could have pointed that out to the officials and maybe we get our TO back. I did see a video clip of the corner ref start to wave his hands a second before the play happened, so was a time out called or was he waving for delay of game? It is a moot point now, we threw the INT and the game was over. You'll sleep better if you just let it go.

 

[ichawk24]

They screwed PSU in similar manner at end of first half.

I’m convinced this is how the powers that be want it. A couple years ago they enacted changes to officials mechanics to keep the clock moving and reduce the number of plays run.

The powers that be will approve their handling.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

Thank you. I posted thread maybe to early after the game with a million threads popping up asking if anyone else saw or maybe I was wrong with what I saw. But after pass to Fant on final drive the clock starts before the ref had even placed the ball down and motioned for clock to restart after the first down. For some reason no one on Iowa's sideline saw or protested let alone the officials who could have stopped and reset the game clock to time left on 1st down.

In college football all they care about is tv time. They want to get the game over as fast as possible. Once the ball is declared down, the head official usually waits 1-2 seconds and then winds it again. Watch any other college game and you will see the same thing. Under two minutes you have to get out of bounds otherwise the clock will run almost instantly. Even after a first down it will run 2-3 seconds after the play ends. Idk id college trying to adjust to NFL timing or what. At the Ia vs IU game people around us noticed that. We got a first down and before our guys were huddled the clock was running.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

How do you know this?

Because nothing has been reported, so how do YOU know? Everybody is informed when players and coaches screw up. Secretly putting a letter of reprimand in a ref's "permanent record" like some high school thing ain't the same as a public acknowledgment that the ref screwed up and that some significant consequences have been the result. I kinda like accountability and transparency. (BTW: Are you the ref? )

 

[iahawkeyes17]

In college football all they care about is tv time. They want to get the game over as fast as possible. Once the ball is declared down, the head official usually waits 1-2 seconds and then winds it again. Watch any other college game and you will see the same thing. Under two minutes you have to get out of bounds otherwise the clock will run almost instantly. Even after a first down it will run 2-3 seconds after the play ends. Idk id college trying to adjust to NFL timing or what. At the Ia vs IU game people around us noticed that. We got a first down and before our guys were huddled the clock was running.

My main complaint was I just couldn't believe is that the refs have to spot the ball before clock starts to run after a first down which they didn't do. Actually they motioned for clock to go but clock operator offered some home cooking and started it premature. If it was a case we were going to try and clock it for scenario like a FG I'm sure it would be reviewed and reversed. I just couldn't believe in that situation with a minute to go in the game there would be that big of an error and not caught by anyone of the many refs on the field nor anyone on Iowa sideline.

 

[markfromj]

Because nothing has been reported, so how do YOU know?

I don’t know. But just because you haven’t seen a report does not mean “nothing has been reported”, nor does it mean nothing has been done, nor does it mean nothing will be done.

 

[ThrowBones92]

Those aren't excuses. Those are facts. The players screwed up, the coaches screwed up, but so did the refs, but they're the only ones not being held accountable.

The referees are held accountable, just not in a public forum that would satisfy most fans.

 

[ThrowBones92]

Because nothing has been reported, so how do YOU know? Everybody is informed when players and coaches screw up. Secretly putting a letter of reprimand in a ref's "permanent record" like some high school thing ain't the same as a public acknowledgment that the ref screwed up and that some significant consequences have been the result. I kinda like accountability and transparency. (BTW: Are you the ref? )

Just because something isn't reported in the media doesn't mean the conference coordinator, conference evaluators, and the referees on the crew don't know about it and aren't being held accountable.

Coaches clip and send plays every game to the league office. Lots of them. They all get reviewed and discussed with the coordinator and each crew. When issues become trends or have direct, costly effects on the outcome of the game, it can start costing crews or crew members games. 95% of the time this happens, you'll never hear about it.

 

[cheerscoach]

In college football all they care about is tv time. They want to get the game over as fast as possible. Once the ball is declared down, the head official usually waits 1-2 seconds and then winds it again. Watch any other college game and you will see the same thing. Under two minutes you have to get out of bounds otherwise the clock will run almost instantly. Even after a first down it will run 2-3 seconds after the play ends. Idk id college trying to adjust to NFL timing or what. At the Ia vs IU game people around us noticed that. We got a first down and before our guys were huddled the clock was running.

I'm not talking about the 'game' clock, I'm talking about the rules pertaining to the 'play' clock.

 

[markfromj]

The referees are held accountable, just not in a public forum that would satisfy most fans.

This.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

I'm not talking about the 'game' clock, I'm talking about the rules pertaining to the 'play' clock.

Play clock starts right after the whistle blows. It’s meant to speed teams up. They get 40 seconds from when the whistle blows to snap it. It’s same in all college games.

 

[hawkfeever]

You know there are phone calls made by coaches.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

My main complaint was I just couldn't believe is that the refs have to spot the ball before clock starts to run after a first down which they didn't do. Actually they motioned for clock to go but clock operator offered some home cooking and started it premature. If it was a case we were going to try and clock it for scenario like a FG I'm sure it would be reviewed and reversed. I just couldn't believe in that situation with a minute to go in the game there would be that big of an error and not caught by anyone of the many refs on the field nor anyone on Iowa sideline.

Again they are worried about 1 thing and that is tv time. They want to get the game over ASAP. Game clock mechanics have changed almost to the point of NFL timing. Every single game the game clock starts before the ball is set. The referee will signal first down and motion the clock to start unless it’s OB under 2min.

 

[SWIowahawks]

I'm not talking about the 'game' clock, I'm talking about the rules pertaining to the 'play' clock.

Play clock starts as soon as the previous play ends. It doesn’t wait for the ball to be spotted.

 

[cheerscoach]

Play clock starts as soon as the previous play ends. It doesn’t wait for the ball to be spotted.

Um, not exactly. Review the rules and get back to me. I stated part of the rule right from the rule book. Are you saying the NCAA rule book is incorrect?

 

[cheerscoach]

Play clock starts right after the whistle blows. It’s meant to speed teams up. They get 40 seconds from when the whistle blows to snap it. It’s same in all college games.

Did you read the rule I shared right from the NCAA rules book? We understand the 40 second clock, thanks, lol. What I posted has nothing to do with that. Go do some reading and get back to me.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Because nothing has been reported, so how do YOU know?

He doesn't, and says as much. You're the one making a claim they are not, I'd have to say the burden of proof in on you that they are not being held accountable.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

Did you read the rule I shared right from the NCAA rules book? We understand the 40 second clock, thanks, lol. What I posted has nothing to do with that. Go do some reading and get back to me.

Um im pretty sure the rule book also states that if an official sees a hold they are supposed to call it. Problem is they don’t and it’s called having a feel for the game. Holding away from the play should not be called, yet the rule book states it should be? So what’s your take on that?

You don’t administer a game by the rule book, otherwise no players would be eligible because they are all wearing illegal pants (pads have to cover the knee).

Also your idea of ball being ready marked for play, when there is rain the umpire or center judge will hold a towel over the ball or keep it in their hands until the offensive team breaks the huddle to keep it dry. The officials did nothing wrong on that situation. The fact that Iowa has 3TOs and didn’t use one is the only problem. Iowa should of called it when Stanley changed the play w/8seconds on the playclock.

 

[cheerscoach]

Um im pretty sure the rule book also states that if an official sees a hold they are supposed to call it. Problem is they don’t and it’s called having a feel for the game. Holding away from the play should not be called, yet the rule book states it should be? So what’s your take on that?

You don’t administer a game by the rule book, otherwise no players would be eligible because they are all wearing illegal pants (pads have to cover the knee).

Also your idea of ball being ready marked for play, when there is rain the umpire or center judge will hold a towel over the ball or keep it in their hands until the offensive team breaks the huddle to keep it dry. The officials did nothing wrong on that situation. The fact that Iowa has 3TOs and didn’t use one is the only problem. Iowa should of called it when Stanley changed the play w/8seconds on the playclock.

Lol. Wow. You are comparing a subjective observation by an official with his administrative responsibilities? There is no official ever who would say they made ANY decision on the 'feel of the game' and are you saying that an official could just skip the 2nd qtr. because he 'felt' the game was going to slow? What a totally dishonest and fallacious argument. The administration of the game (time, score, downs, etc...) is not a 'judgement call'.
Do you know any officials? You need to have a chat with them and present your misguided argument to them. Let me know how it goes.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

Lol. Wow. You are comparing a subjective observation by an official with his administrative responsibilities? There is no official ever who would say they made ANY decision on the 'feel of the game' and are you saying that an official could just skip the 2nd qtr. because he 'felt' the game was going to slow? What a totally dishonest and fallacious argument. The administration of the game (time, score, downs, etc...) is not a 'judgement call'.
Do you know any officials? You need to have a chat with them and present your misguided argument to them. Let me know how it goes.

Actually I have officiated football for 20yrs and even worked in Valley for a year. I have several former colleagues who are still officiating in the college game and high school. There was nothing wrong with what happened the other night. If you are upset I suggest you contact Bill Carollo at the Big ten office. He is usually good about responding to questions. But those officials handled the game correctly. Otherwise the Iowa Administration would of filed a complaint and the Big Ten office would of issued a statement.

Also from a fan who was at the game said Iowa Assistansts were calling for a TO, not the head man himself. Just from a hawk fan at the game.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

They screwed PSU in similar manner at end of first half.

I’m convinced this is how the powers that be want it. A couple years ago they enacted changes to officials mechanics to keep the clock moving and reduce the number of plays run.

The powers that be will approve their handling.

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