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CATSKILL, N.Y. (WTEN) — New York Attorney General Letitia James on Friday released a chilling set of videos showing the moment police officers used a stun gun on an agitated man in their front lobby, after he had doused himself in hand sanitizer. The man then burst into flames, causing officers to temporarily leave the room.

The Attorney General’s Office said the footage is part of the investigation into the death of 29-year-old Jason Jones, who passed on Dec. 15, 2021, after the encounter with police on Oct. 30.

The AG’s Office said Jones walked into the Catskill Police Department, where he started a verbal altercation with three officers. The video does not include audio; however, officers appear to try speaking to Jones for around 30 minutes as he wanders, distressed, in and out of the frame.

“Without hearing what was said, we can’t evaluate how effective de-escalation may have been in this case,” said police training expert and former officer John Cooney of the Troy Police Department.

Later in the video, Jones is seen taking off his shirt before picking up a large jug of hand sanitizer and spraying it over his neck, head, and back. When an officer uses a stun gun in an attempt to subdue him, Jones bursts into flames.

Jones had been hospitalized since the incident until he was pronounced dead in December.

“The Taser is 50,000 volts of electricity. It’s well known, police are trained, not to use it in that circumstance. Jason predictably ignited as a result of that,” said Kevin Luibrand, the lawyer representing the Jones family. “Every single day police come into contact with people having some form of mental health episode, whether it’s on the streets or at home, and there’s ways to handle it. That’s not the way to handle it.”

Cooney, however, disagreed and said the earlier parts of the video, which showed the beginning of the encounter, indicated Jones was reaching higher and higher levels of aggravation.

“The use of force continuum starts at a point which is basically responsive to the amount of force and the amount of aggression that we are perceiving. From the first second to the last frame of the video, we see that he’s agitated, he’s very quick with his movements. One thing I noticed specifically was a constant clenching and unclenching of his fingers into fists,” Cooney comments.

Cooney further said the situation is an unusual one not covered in traditional stun gun training.

“It’s fair to know that any flammable liquid in a close proximity, a Taser probably won’t be effective. In fact it could be very harmful to the individual. But as a rule, we’re talking about gasoline, we’re talking about natural gas environments, we’re talking about environments that are fairly common. I think it’s fair to say in most Taser trainings, we don’t talk about sanitizer as that obvious flammable liquid,” he explained to WTEN’s Mikhaela Singleton.

The full videos can be viewed on the at the attorney general’s website; however, the second video is extremely graphic and shows Jones on fire. Viewer discretion is advised. In light of this, WTEN has chosen only the air the video in parts, above.

Luibrand said one of the most distressing parts of the video for the Jones family is when officers can be seen running from Jason after he caught fire.

“Jason was unarmed. The police, rather than help him, ran out of the room, shut the door behind them, and let Jason burn,” Luibrand said.

“To immediately respond to jump on top of, to help roll over the individual, that’s a very individual decision and it’s not necessarily predicated by police procedure. The officers left what they thought was a very hazardous situation. They did respond at some point. They reassessed and then responded,” Cooney replied.

Greene County District Attorney Joseph Stanzione said his office was involved in the investigation into the case initially. He said is it the process for the Catskill Police Department to report incidents to the DA to be open and transparent.

As part of the investigation, the DA’s office was waiting on the status of Jones, with interest in interviewing him. When he died in December, the AG’s office got involved, per New York state law, regarding officer-involved deaths.

The release of the evidence follows NY Attorney General Letitia James’ directive that videos obtained by her office in the course of investigations conducted by the Office of Special Investigation (OSI) be released to the public in order to increase transparency. The AG’s said its choice to publicize the video is not an indication of the guilt or innocence of any party involved.

OSI looks into every incident where a police officer may have caused a person’s death.


HOLY SMOKES!
 
Well, since we don't do much preventative testing with products in this country I guess someone had to pay the price to get the "Don't tazer someone who just covered themselves in an accelerant" rule into the training.
 
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“Without hearing what was said, we can’t evaluate how effective de-escalation may have been in this case,” said police training expert and former officer John Cooney of the Troy Police Department.

I think the fact that they tased him and he burst into flames is a pretty clear indication that the de-escalation was not very effective.
 
Sonny boy goes to police station commits numerous unlawful acts get tazed and the family hires an attorney. What should they have done? What if Sonny had a weapon of some sort how many people would he have to kill prior to the police taking action.

Jones mom and dad needs their asses kicked.
 
I find it odd that shortly after he burst into flames and was extinguished that he was moving about, talking to LE and a medical person on duty, looking more or less like he did before the tasing. Any ideas how this incident actually contributed to his death?
 
I find it odd that shortly after he burst into flames and was extinguished that he was moving about, talking to LE and a medical person on duty, looking more or less like he did before the tasing. Any ideas how this incident actually contributed to his death?


Because people with serious burns end up getting life-threatening infections during their attempt at recovery.

All the skin on his upper body and head was dead at that point. It's just a matter of time.

Horrible way to die, I'll tell you that.
 
I find it odd that shortly after he burst into flames and was extinguished that he was moving about, talking to LE and a medical person on duty, looking more or less like he did before the tasing. Any ideas how this incident actually contributed to his death?
I believe he burned his lungs. It’s an awful thing that happens where very short term you can get by until you and those around you realize your lungs are gone. Common in chemical fires.
 
I wonder what his thought was regarding the sanitizer?

To make himself slippery so they couldn't grab ahold of him?

Or god forbid, did he think they wouldn't taze him if he did that?
 
Maybe they were running to get a fire extinguisher?
Mentally ill, high, or what?
Also, that's an odd pairing at the local news desk. The lady is fine, but the guy looks a little like ex NFL player Art Donovan.
 
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Sonny boy goes to police station commits numerous unlawful acts get tazed and the family hires an attorney. What should they have done? What if Sonny had a weapon of some sort how many people would he have to kill prior to the police taking action.

Jones mom and dad needs their asses kicked.

Often times I think you are crazy. I agree with you on this one.
 
I wonder what his thought was regarding the sanitizer?

To make himself slippery so they couldn't grab ahold of him?

Or god forbid, did he think they wouldn't taze him if he did that?

Im more impressed that somebody upstate wanted to clean himself
 
I believe he burned his lungs. It’s an awful thing that happens where very short term you can get by until you and those around you realize your lungs are gone. Common in chemical fires.

He was in the hospital for two months before he died. I'm going with the infections theory.
 
One more thing to think bout know before making a split second decision. I hope I would have been smart enough to take that into consideration before pulling the trigger.
 
One more thing to think bout know before making a split second decision. I hope I would have been smart enough to take that into consideration before pulling the trigger.

Just a tough situation. I don't envy anyone in that situation. I'm sure you would have given every possible discretion.
 
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One more thing to think bout know before making a split second decision. I hope I would have been smart enough to take that into consideration before pulling the trigger.
Would be tough. It sounds like he was unhinged and lord knows what he was saying. Also a big dude. I don’t fault them tasing him and not realizing he would burst in flames from the alcohol in sanitizer. I do have issue with their behavior afterwards of running and basically letting him burn out. I have a feeling you would have behaved differently and tried harder to help put him out quicker, screaming for help vs running out the door like they did.
 
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