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Poll: Brady Ellingson

How much will Ellingson contribute to Iowa's scoring this season?

  • Fizzle - less than 3 ppg

    Votes: 104 42.3%

  • Marginally more - 3-5 ppg

    Votes: 99 40.2%

  • Much more - 6-9 ppg

    Votes: 37 15.0%

  • Sharpshooter - more than 9 ppg

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • Total voters
    246
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Ellingson's Iowa career stats:

2014-15 ..... 32 min ...... .500 FG% (4 of 8) ......1.9 ppg
2015-16 ..... 247 min .... .459 FG% (28 0f 61) .... 2.8 ppg

If BE is receiving more minutes this year, it will likely be because he is making a higher percentage of his 3PT shots (27.3% last year) and therefore scoring more points - hence the poll question. Will Brady fizzle out or emerge as a regular contributor this season?
 
Even if Brady doesn't make the top ten in playing time, he'll get in when we sit everyone and assuming there are games he doesn't play than his average when he does could go up just off of late game shots.
 
For the record, I believe Ellingson will make his presence felt this year with around 8-10 mpg and 6-7 ppg.
 
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I'm trying to stay positive about Ellingson. Something made Fran want him at Iowa and I hope that it starts showing up this season. I think his defense may be the difference between him playing and others not. Also think he needs to be able to bring the ball up the court to be an asset.
 
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I hope the kid does well. It'd be good for him and for the program. Hit his 3's and play position defense.
 
That was exhausting to watch..a shooter expending a ton of energy running from side to side to get an open look that was launched quickly.- With the result being a miss the vast majority of the time. A shooter like Olgesby or Ellingson would be better off getting some open looks in transition, drive and kicks, or just defensive breakdowns. Then he might be able to hit 40%-50% and not seem so ineffective.
 
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spbc7 said:
6-7 ppg would be really impressive numbers for only 8-10 mpg. Playing normal starter minutes, that would put him somewhere around 20-22 ppg.
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I see Ellingson being the designated 3PT shooter off the bench for 3-5 minutes each half .... so I'm thinking 2/3 of his shots will be behind the arc...... and if he hits 2 per game on average he gets to 6 ppg. Throw in a couple FTs every other game and .... I guess we'll find out.
 
I'm not concerned with Brady's points per game.

If he is hovering near 40% on 3, he will be an asset; anything closer to 30% means his time will be limited, and he won't be efficiently stretching the court.

I believe in that gorgeous stroke and the image of the Purdue game. Either way, a definitive answer will probably be given by the end of this year.
 
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Brady's goal should be to become Kent McCausland 2.0. You might not have a great all around game, but if you can hit nearly 50% of your threes you will get plenty of minutes. Unfortunately, Brady looked more like Ogelsby 2.0 last season. Last year, Brady his 27% of his threes, which is, umm, not good. In comparison, Nick Baer his 39% off is threes while being several inches taller, getting more steals, playing better defense, and rebounding more. So yeah, make baskets, get playing time. It's a simple formula.
 
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Agree that Brady must be a shot maker this year to cement a place in the rotation. Hoping he can find his stroke and contribute positively to the Hawks success.
 
nu2u said:
Ellingson's Iowa career stats:

2014-15 ..... 32 min ...... .500 FG% (4 of 8) ......1.9 ppg
2015-16 ..... 247 min .... .459 FG% (28 0f 61) .... 2.8 ppg

If BE is receiving more minutes this year, it will likely be because he is making a higher percentage of his 3PT shots (27.3% last year) and therefore scoring more points - hence the poll question. Will Brady fizzle out or emerge as a regular contributor this season?
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How about sharpshooter, with a 3-5 ppg average? I'm hoping that he just nails them. But with our depth, he will still only see a few minutes a game. With an occasional game where he gets a few extra minutes .
 
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bravos said:
Ellingsen is a D2 player
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Statements like this are amusing because they make the person posting it look like a buffoon. Here's why:

There are currently 351 NCAA Division I college basketball programs in the USA. Virtually all teams dress a minimum of 15 players. Therefore, the number of roster players on Division I basketball teams is 5265 (the number is almost always higher - in 2015, for example, the total number was 5503, or an average of 15.67 players per DI roster). This poster wants you to believe that Brady Ellingson doesn't belong among the more than five thousand athletes playing DI.

Perhaps this poster was referring to scholarship athletes only. The NCAA limits DI all programs to 13 scholarship players. That narrows the pool somewhat. 351 NCAA DI schools with 13 scholarship players per team yields 4563 NCAA DI scholarship players. This poster wants you to believe that Brady Ellingson isn't talented enough to play among the 4500+ DI scholarship athletes.

But let's get specific. bravos was likely referring to the Brady's position, the guard position (G), at the DI level. That narrows the field of athletes considerably. For the purpose of discussing Gs at DI programs, let's assume that DI basketball programs carry at least (5) Guards per team. 5 Gs per team is an ridiculously conservative number because while Iowa carries 5 Gs, other teams like Purdue (7 Gs), Illinois (9 Gs), Wisconsin(8 Gs) to name just a few, carry many more than that. 351 DI basketball programs with a minimum of 5 Gs per team yields a minimum of 1755 NCAA Division I Guards. bravos would like you to believe that Ellingson is not one of the 1755 best college guards in America.

If Brady Ellingson is in fact a DII level player, he would not be able to legitimately compete for a roster spot on any other DI school including, for example, the DI programs from various BB conferences listed below (with KenPom #2017 team rankings):
Stoney Brook (AE,#199), (Louisiana Monroe (SB,#218) Drake (MV,#236) Montana State (BSky,#249), Quinnipiac (MAAC,#258), Drexel (CAA,#280), Mount St. Mary (NEC,#290), Kennesaw State (ASun,#306), Eastern Illinois (OVC,#308), Prarie View A&M (SWAC#317), Utah Valley (WAC,#321), Army (Pat,#325).

According to bravos, Ellingson in not only undeserving of a scholarship at Iowa (KenPom#55), Ellingson would also not be worthy of a place on the roster of any of the 296 basketball programs ranked worse than Iowa. Of course that is exceptionally foolish and especially lamebrained but this is what you get when you have posters who ignorantly drop the "DII" comment.




 
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nu2u said:
For the record, I believe Ellingson will make his presence felt this year with around 8-10 mpg and 6-7 ppg.
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Last year, there were times when Brady Ellingson was the first guy off the bench.

I'm with nu2u..........this kid is going to come on, for the Hawks, this year.

GO HAWKS
 
He would have trouble getting on the floor at the top tier D2 programs such as Augustana that won the National Title last year and actually won at Carver. Those top tier D2 programs are actually better than those bottom dweller D1 programs. So yeah, he probably could play for Drake and Montana State and Quinnipac but I just dont think he is talented enough to play in a major D1 conference.
 
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He would have trouble getting on the floor at the top tier D2 programs such as Augustana that won the National Title last year and actually won at Carver. Those top tier D2 programs are actually better than those bottom dweller D1 programs. So yeah, he probably could play for Drake and Montana State and Quinnipac but I just dont think he is talented enough to play in a major D1 conference.
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I've personally attended about a dozen Augustana games over the past 3 years and IMO Ellingson would be a major contributor if not an instant starter at Augie (as well as any of the teams I watched them play) from game #1. He would have no trouble getting on the floor.

As a point of reference consider former Iowa player Brandon Stubbs who transferred to Augustana before the 2012-13 season. Before he backed out, Billeter said that Stubbs would play a major role for Augie right away. Augustana finished 21-9, ranked, and advanced to the 3nd round of the DII tournament that season.

To maintain your "Ellingson is a DII player" claim you would have to also believe that Fran McCaffery was completely fooled when evaluating Ellingson during the recruiting process and that his decision to offer Brady a full scholarship was a monumental error. So far, the facts don't back that up.

Ellingson has made 46.4% of his FGAs against DI opponents while at Iowa. Certainly not a phenomenal shooting stat but not terrible either. In addition, a few of his better shooting performances last year were against quality D1 competition:
3-5 all 3s, 9pts vs. Dayton
2-2, 1-1 3PT FGs, 5pts vs. Wichita State
3-5, 2-4 3PT FGs, 8pts vs. Purdue

His best scoring game so far was against Coppin State (7-8 FGs, 1-2 PT FG, 5-6 FT, 20pts) .... a DI team which is above Brady's talent level if you are to be believed.

I'm not trying to make the case that Brady Ellingson is an All-B10 player or even a Top 40 shooting guard, only that he is a legit DI player. I have already posted my belief that he is capable of contributing 6 or more ppg this year. BE needs to show he can play better defense to get major minutes but Fran will look for him to be a 3PT threat when he is on the court.
 
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When a shooter gets hot look out!! I'm hoping BE will show us all too soon he is a shooter!! J.J. Redick was a shooter and not known for his defense. He'd give up 12 points on D but would put in 18.....ahead 6 however you want to look at it. There is always a place for that 3 point shooter. It may not be every game it depends on each game. Come on BE show us you can do it.
 
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By the way Coppin State was 9-22 last year. Augustana, St Cloud, Winona, Minnesota State and many more D2 schools would beat the mighty Eagles.
 
Sure, I'd love for BE to have a great year. We need the shooters. However, as someone who's looking at the team's upside, I'd love Moss or Dailey to have better years. Look at it this way: if you had to choose, would you rather have a player who's 6'4", not particularly athletic, Ok handle, and a great shooter have a successful season on your team or a 6'6" athletic player who can also shoot pretty well, with pretty good ball skills? If you choose the former you've got your underdog shorts on too tight.
 
nu2u said:
I've personally attended about a dozen Augustana games over the past 3 years and IMO Ellingson would be a major contributor if not an instant starter at Augie (as well as any of the teams I watched them play) from game #1. He would have no trouble getting on the floor.

As a point of reference consider former Iowa player Brandon Stubbs who transferred to Augustana before the 2012-13 season. Before he backed out, Billeter said that Stubbs would play a major role for Augie right away. Augustana finished 21-9, ranked, and advanced to the 3nd round of the DII tournament that season.

To maintain your "Ellingson is a DII player" claim you would have to also believe that Fran McCaffery was completely fooled when evaluating Ellingson during the recruiting process and that his decision to offer Brady a full scholarship was a monumental error. So far, the facts don't back that up.

Ellingson has made 46.4% of his FGAs against DI opponents while at Iowa. Certainly not a phenomenal shooting stat but not terrible either. In addition, a few of his better shooting performances last year were against quality D1 competition:
3-5 all 3s, 9pts vs. Dayton
2-2, 1-1 3PT FGs, 5pts vs. Wichita State
3-5, 2-4 3PT FGs, 8pts vs. Purdue

His best scoring game so far was against Coppin State (7-8 FGs, 1-2 PT FG, 5-6 FT, 20pts) .... a DI team which is above Brady's talent level if you are to be believed.

I'm not trying to make the case that Brady Ellingson is an All-B10 player or even a Top 40 shooting guard, only that he is a legit DI player. I have already posted my belief that he is capable of contributing 6 or more ppg this year. BE needs to show he can play better defense to get major minutes but Fran will look for him to be a 3PT threat when he is on the court.
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D1 talent but not Big Ten talent.
 
Fran made it pretty clear today that playing time will be determined by how well player(s) are hitting 3's.

From someone who attended practice.....no it wasn't me.." Ellingson was absolutely on fire all practice. Is extremely smart player & looked like he belonged"...on Moss... " has talent but the game seems to move a bit fast for him..seems to be thinking too much & isn't in the right position quite a bit."...

"Dailey is small physically...learning a lot right now...don't expect him to contribute early in the year"..

Instead of calling Ellingson a D2 talent....I prefer to let it play out. It could be that Brady is the safer choice as a back up guard as of today...he certainly has been in the program longer than Moss or Dailey so maybe being a little more experience is having an impact. If he is consistent with his shot & doesn't make mistakes within the framework..Brady certainly can help...even if its a minimal amount of minutes.

I'm not ready to call Moss or Dailey D2 talent either...sometimes it takes younger guys a little longer before things click. Moss or Dailey may be more athletic than Ellingson but that isn't the only factor. We want to win now...while the younger guys work on getting better.

..I'm hoping all 3 can help us win...today & in the future.
 
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David1979 said:
D1 talent but not Big Ten talent.
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I think it might be safe to say had Baer been offered a scholarship right out of high school...some would have been saying the same thing. I also recall some posters saying Aaron White was not B1G ready.

I don't see Ellingson as All-B1G...not every roster player is. You still need solid role players & back ups.
I do think Ellingson's ability to hit open 3's is B1G level. It isn't easy when one is playing minimal minutes...but if Brady is going to see minutes...his shooting will go a long way determining how much & over who.
 
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I expect Brady to average 6-10 ppg. He hasn't shown us yet, but he shot 48% from 3 and averaged 25.4 ppg as a Senior. Those are good numbers. So far the reports have been good about Brady this year and I am very hopeful. We need him or Moss to produce.
 
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2432Hawk said:
No, both he and Kriener did not play due to ankle injuries.... both guys would have been in our top 8 rotation. Kriener was likely to start.
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I'm interested to see what Kriener can do for us but where did you read he was likely to start outside of this board?
 
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CanadaHawk said:
I'm interested to see what Kriener can do for us but where did you read he was likely to start outside of this board?
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I was wondering that as well. But wow would it be interesting with Jok and Baer and three frosh starting.
 
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I'm interested to see what Kriener can do for us but where did you read he was likely to start outside of this board?
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Bobby mentioned in pregame a bit that Kriener was working as a starter, but they've basically been rotating Jones, Uhl, an Kriener in that spot. Based on hindsight and Fran's comments about him being our leading rebounder thus far in camp. Yeah, he needs to get healthy and be our starting post.

We had some issues on defense no question, but a lot of it was over helping, and then being out of position to rebound. we gave up way too many second chance points. if you're young and not good defensive team, you better damn well be a good rebounding team if you want to win games!
 
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It's clear Fran was not happy with Uhl Friday night. Wagner played much better then Uhl in the second half. Fran is going to give Uhl and Jones the first chance as upperclassman to prove themselves I think as season goes along Wagner and Kriener get most of these minutes. On a side note. It appears whenever Cook comes off the floor, Pemsl is going in. Pemsl could play lots of minutes if cook gets in early foul trouble which is not uncommon for freshman.
 
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