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Poll: Choose an SS payout age option

Which of the below three SS options would you choose if you were say 61?

  • Age 62

    Votes: 23 51.1%
  • Age 67

    Votes: 13 28.9%
  • Age 72

    Votes: 9 20.0%

  • Total voters
    45

Mister_Man

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Mar 26, 2024
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Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
 
Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
Do you have access to health insurance if you retire before 65?
 
Well, my choice was to take full SS at 66.5 so that was my vote. The house will be paid in less than a year,,,$400K in our 401K...and we both draw a pension.

Waiting until 70 would have been a higher payout but I would forgo three+ years of income that could be earning $$. Of course, Trump has killed the markets but, hell, he might kill SS before I turn 70 soooo... 🤷‍♂️
 
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Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
I made myself a spreadsheet to decide this very thing. I discovered if I waited I would have to live to be 77 before I made more money than beginning to collect at 62. My mom died at 76 so I chose the 62 option.
 
Coincidentally, 2034 is when the trust fund is anticipated to be exhausted.

How do you factor potential for benefit cut when there are no IOUs left to redeem with Treasury and the money taken from Peter to pay Paul is only ~80% of what was promised?

Current law restricts SS outlays to the associated payroll tax.

Could change the law and just MMT the payments.

"We can guarantee cash payments from here on out, what we cannot guarantee is the purchasing power of that cash." -Alan Greenspan during remarks on Social Security, Feb 16, 2005
 
Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
My rough math on your numbers came up with these figures:

If you start at 62 you will have collected $94,284 by 65. If you begin collecting at 65 the extra $1260 per month would take 74.88 months to make up the $94,284 or 6.24 years so you would be approximately 71 years 3 months old. At 70 you would have made $251,424 with the 62 option. Waiting until 70 would net you an extra $2,261 per month so it would take 111.2 months to break even with the 62 option or 9.27 years making you 79+.

Doing the same with the 65 option you would have collected $232,740 from 65 to 70. The additional $1,001 you would receive monthly by starting at 70 would take 231.12 months or 19.26 years to make up the difference which means you would be 89+ before you came out ahead by waiting.
 
My rough math on your numbers came up with these figures:

If you start at 62 you will have collected $94,284 by 65. If you begin collecting at 65 the extra $1260 per month would take 74.88 months to make up the $94,284 or 6.24 years so you would be approximately 71 years 3 months old. At 70 you would have made $251,424 with the 62 option. Waiting until 70 would net you an extra $2,261 per month so it would take 111.2 months to break even with the 62 option or 9.27 years making you 79+.

Doing the same with the 65 option you would have collected $232,740 from 65 to 70. The additional $1,001 you would receive monthly by starting at 70 would take 231.12 months or 19.26 years to make up the difference which means you would be 89+ before you came out ahead by waiting.
Also your math doesn’t factor in whether a person actually needs the SS payments, and could just invest them as received. In that case, the math probably doesn’t catch up before you’re dead.
 
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Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
I made a mistake in my original math because I was figuring 65 as the full retirement benefit when it was 67. The corrected numbers are:

If you start at 62 you will have collected $157,140 by 67. If you begin collecting at 67 the extra $1260 per month would take 124.71 months to make up the $157,140 or 10.39 years so you would be approximately 77 years 5 months old. At 70 you would have made $251,424 with the 62 option. Waiting until 70 would net you an extra $2,261 per month so it would take 111.2 months to break even with the 62 option or 9.27 years making you 79+.

Doing the same with the 67 option you would have collected $139,644 from 67 to 70. The additional $1,001 you would receive monthly by starting at 70 would take 139.5 months or 11.63 years to make up the difference which means you would be 81 1/2 before you came out ahead by waiting.
 
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Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
How healthy are you?
 
I made a mistake in my original math because I was figuring 65 as the full retirement benefit when it was 67. The corrected numbers are:

If you start at 62 you will have collected $157,140 by 67. If you begin collecting at 67 the extra $1260 per month would take 124.71 months to make up the $157,140 or 10.39 years so you would be approximately 77 years 5 months old. At 70 you would have made $251,424 with the 62 option. Waiting until 70 would net you an extra $2,261 per month so it would take 111.2 months to break even with the 62 option or 9.27 years making you 79+.

Doing the same with the 67 option you would have collected $139,644 from 67 to 70. The additional $1,001 you would receive monthly by starting at 70 would take 139.5 months or 11.63 years to make up the difference which means you would be 81 1/2 before you came out ahead by waiting.
Your calculation should also take into account ROI on drawing early. If OP just invested the money at a 6% return it would take 12 years to break even. That would put him at 79.

I'm taking SS at 62 if his monthly budget allows him to do so.
 
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Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month

How long do you expect to live, and what do you need monthly for expenses?

In terms of "total payout":
(using full years here, so your fall start might be off 1 yr)
If you take the Age 62, by 2030 you've received $157,140 in benefits
2031 you'd have received $188,568 by then vs $46,548 if you start to draw that year at 67

2034 you'd have received $282,852 for 62 retirement vs $186,192 for 67 retirement vs $58,560 retiring in that year.

2040:
62: retirement totals $471,420
67: retirement totals $465,480
70: retirement totals $409,920

So, 2041 is the crossover where delaying retirement, you have more overall accumulated income for 67 vs 62

2045 is where delaying until 70 you have $702,720 vs $698,220 for 67 retirement vs $628,560 for 62 early retirement
You do get substantially higher income by delaying, but to "make that up", you need to live past 77 or 81 for delayed SS in terms of "total payouts".

In terms of monthly costs:
The longer you think you might live, the more you might want to delay for a better guarantee you won't run out of $$
Latest I'd read, you can comfortably pull up to 4%/yr from retirement savings, so $500k nest egg would limit draws to about $20k/yr from that (5% is $25k). Some investment places claim higher %s.

Of course, this is all ignoring inflation adjustments, but those would all "cancel out" with how this is calculated - actual numbers would vary, but dates/timeframe would not. You can basically add $20-25k/yr to your SS annual benefit to determine if that's enough to live off of. Note that Medicare/Medigap insurance might run you $500-700 or more per month. So, $6000+ per year could go to healthcare bills.

If you can comfortably live off $51-56k/yr and have no/low cash outflows, then 2026 is an option. You'd bank quite a lot more by 67 at $66-71k/yr available.

Note that (I think) you HAVE TO sign up for Medicare at 65 or you lose out. And be cautious w/ the insurance option plans, because once you go on those, you may not be able to revert to regular Medicare and any pre-existing conditions might not be covered OR your premium will be a lot higher.

There's a reason those companies are pushing those Advantage plans so much, and it's not due to them necessarily being "better for the customers"...


If I were looking to "enjoy my retirement day", I'd probably opt for 62 or 67.
If I expected to live to at least 80 and wanted to maximize inheritance for kids, etc, might consider delaying and getting that extra income after 81 that could be accrued and inherited.
 
Be aware of the difference spousal benefits could make. My wife's benefit would increase if I wait until full retirement age.
 
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Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
What really matters is if you are working at age 61 and you really like your job. My full retirement age was 65 but at that time I had a really good paying job that I liked and my wife had retired at 62 with about 3+ years before being on Medicare.

So I kept working because my employer had great insurance at a pretty low cost.
 
Give some thought to working beyond full retirement age. You can replace some of your lower income years if you are making enough presently.
 
Assumptions: The House is paid off. Also have say a 401k with a current value of 500k.

Age 62 (Early)October 2026Early Retirement Age (Minimum Benefit)$2,619 / month
Age 67 (Full)September 2031Full Retirement Age (Full Benefit)$3,879 / month
Age 70 (Delayed)September 2034Delayed Retirement Age (Maximum Benefit)$4,880 / month
Kids you like ( that you want to leave something )?
If yes - I’d still be working doing something i liked until 70 and take the SS in Jan of full retirement year.
 
What really matters is if you are working at age 61 and you really like your job. My full retirement age was 65 but at that time I had a really good paying job that I liked and my wife had retired at 62 with about 3+ years before being on Medicare.

So I kept working because my employer had great insurance at a pretty low cost.
 
Never made sense to me to try to maximize total SS payout,.. I'll apply for SS when I quit working.
This. If I wanted to maximize SS I'd have worked to 70. I retired but haven't applied yet. If I waited a year I'd get an extra whopping $80/mo! In actuality, I spaced applying, so I'm waiting the extra year.
 
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Be aware of the difference spousal benefits could make. My wife's benefit would increase if I wait until full retirement age.

Survivor benefits as well. Lots of factors when deciding when to take social security.
 
Yes, until Trump undoes Obamacare.
I guess it would depend on you and your needs. Tb at doesn’t seem to be enough for me when I retire but it might be for you. 500k doesn’t seem like a lot.

FWIW my wife and I are going through this now. For us it’s not so much 401k money but IPERS. My wife is retiring at 62. No question. If I stay until 65, vs 62, it will be about 3500 a month difference total SS and IPERS. That’s a lot. I’ll probably stay working.

Again, fwiw, if I worked until 70 I’d retire with about 20k a month total pension SS but that’s not happening.
 
What are you even going to do with the extra money at 67 or 70? You could be dead, or unable to enjoy it due to health issues.
Or, they might change the SS rules. Take it as soon as you can, when you can actually enjoy it more.
 
Survivor benefits as well. Lots of factors when deciding when to take social security.
This was my deciding factor. Wife is 5 years younger than me and has mostly worked part time the entire 36 years we've been married. As of right now I'll wait until 67 just to increase her survivor benefit. It's only currently a little over 4 years away and I WFH making very good $$, just feel it's the best decision for us. I will start drawing a company pension benefit at 65 just because it's a fixed/defined amount, and I can choose for as long as either of us lives for only $300-400/mo lower benefit.
 
Coincidentally, 2034 is when the trust fund is anticipated to be exhausted.

How do you factor potential for benefit cut when there are no IOUs left to redeem with Treasury and the money taken from Peter to pay Paul is only ~80% of what was promised?

Current law restricts SS outlays to the associated payroll tax.

Could change the law and just MMT the payments.

"We can guarantee cash payments from here on out, what we cannot guarantee is the purchasing power of that cash." -Alan Greenspan during remarks on Social Security, Feb 16, 2005
Oh no! This has never been a concern before. Social Security is doomed!

  • In 1982, Social Security was near insolvency and would have struggled to pay full benefits by 1983.
  • Bipartisan reform under Reagan and Congress (Greenspan Commission) in 1983:
    • Raised the retirement age from 65 to 67 (gradually phased in).
    • Increased payroll taxes.
    • Began taxing Social Security benefits for higher-income recipients.
    • Built up the Social Security Trust Fund to prepare for baby boomer retirements.
 
I made a mistake in my original math because I was figuring 65 as the full retirement benefit when it was 67. The corrected numbers are:

If you start at 62 you will have collected $157,140 by 67. If you begin collecting at 67 the extra $1260 per month would take 124.71 months to make up the $157,140 or 10.39 years so you would be approximately 77 years 5 months old. At 70 you would have made $251,424 with the 62 option. Waiting until 70 would net you an extra $2,261 per month so it would take 111.2 months to break even with the 62 option or 9.27 years making you 79+.

Doing the same with the 67 option you would have collected $139,644 from 67 to 70. The additional $1,001 you would receive monthly by starting at 70 would take 139.5 months or 11.63 years to make up the difference which means you would be 81 1/2 before you came out ahead by waiting.
You're assuming you're not going to continue working? The difference is made up quickly with salary and benefits.
 
You're assuming you're not going to continue working? The difference is made up quickly with salary and benefits.
My math is purely about the amount of SS that would be collected. Everyone's situation is different. I took it at 62 while collecting IPERS and farm ground rental. neither of which counts as earned income against SS.
 
Your calculation should also take into account ROI on drawing early. If OP just invested the money at a 6% return it would take 12 years to break even. That would put him at 79.

I'm taking SS at 62 if his monthly budget allows him to do so.
...unless you need some of it to pay your monthly bills with....
 
My math is purely about the amount of SS that would be collected. Everyone's situation is different. I took it at 62 while collecting IPERS and farm ground rental. neither of which counts as earned income against SS.
I'll be 65 this year. I plan on working until at least 67. The money you're talking about making up is covered in less than a year in salary. The longer I work not only increases my SS but also my pension.

I'll get Medicare later this year but won't have to buy an advantage plan because that's all covered with my employer supplied medical insurance. That's another savings.

You're simplifying this more than is realistic.
 
You're simplifying this more than is rerealistic.
I may be. I'm certainly no expert. I was going off the information the OP provided. I hope he's not using HBOT advice to make his final decision. I was just sharing how I made my choice.
 
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