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She is pissed at the decision. I am still pumped about this vasectomy. (Does pelvic thrust with arms crossing like degeneration X of 90s wrestling) Suck it.
My daughters and wife are pissed with the decision.
My wife and daughters favor reasonable limitations....not abolition.
My wife and daughters favor reasonable limitations....not abolition.
Mine doesnt like the decision but she also cant stand some of the crap people are posting on SM in reaction to it.
My bad....I thought this was a HROT garage sale thread...
The decision didn't abolish abortion. It said that there isn't a constitutional guarantee to the right of it. Now, it's up to the people of your state to decide whether or not to allow it, abolish it, or allow it in certain situations.
True...
Unfortunately R's are kind of married to the abolition position to appease the base.
It's going to be difficult for them to thread that needle.
No. It's up to state legislatures who are not obligated to follow the will of the majority of the people in their state.
It was completed a good while ago now and inb4 kids.
She hardly cares about anything political and she was damn near in tears the other day. In her words “it’s no one’s f*****g business.”
I made sure my vasectomy coincided with the 2017 OSU game....bag of peas on the nut sack and beer in hand. Great weekend. Exaggerated the pain I was in....wife bringing me beers....hope you did the same. It was glorious...
Not happy with it. We both believe abortions should be available for rape or incest and in the event thr baby is terminal or delivery would be terminal for the mother.
Female friends all disapprove.
Family wise. One sister, very liberal, obvious. Mother, voted repub most of her life (but not recently due to maga insanity) doesn't approve, says she had more rights than daughters now. Other sister not as political, but doubt she approves.
Family wise. One sister, very liberal, obvious. Mother, voted repub most of her life (but not recently due to maga insanity) doesn't approve, says she had more rights than daughters now. Other sister not as political, but doubt she approves.
And as was pointed out in the video, abolishing abortion is the only consistent stance for people who claim it's murder. Anything less is hypocrisy of the highest order. There's no way to thread that particular needle.
For that matter, they must pass laws that hold the mother accountable for the murder...there's no way around that without compounding their hypocrisy.
Oh. I guess I dint realize the states voted to abolish abortion or not.
There are states looking to criminalize abortions even if they're carried out in other states. And anyone who aided in it would be charged so if you drive someone, you face criminal charges.
It's probably the unborn baby's business...
She is very unhappy with it and she has a pretty strong anti-abortion stance. She is very upset about someone else potentially taking control of that choice away from her.
That seems like a really big overreach. I cant really see this being legal.
So the doctor is a murderer, the mother is a murderer, and anyone who assists is accessory to murder. Right?
Obviously that is debatable but if you do something in a state where its legal, why would the state you are from have any jurisdiction?
It’s not hard to see where this leads. Civil or criminal penalties for miscarriages, necessary abortions for ectopic pregnancies, IVF limitations, on and on. All of which are extremely personal matters.
That’s what she’s upset about. If she miscarries, she doesn’t want to have to explain herself. It’s no one else’s business.
Heath v. Alabama... any state in which an essential part of a crime has been committed can prosecute the offender. Two men kidnapped a woman in Alabama and took her to Georgia to kill her. SCOTUS held that each state could prosecute for the same crime...double jeopardy didn't apply.
Know lots of women and not a single was in favor of the decision - I've heard at least 30 of them all say it's their choice, not the government.
Except murder is a crime in both states in Heath. Different when the abortion is performed in a state that allows it.
And last time I checked, we were still free to travel between states with no papers - of course, the Court term is not finished until next week so that could change.
If it's a crime in State A and an essential part of the crime occurred in that state, Heath says that State A can prosecute regardless of what the other state chooses to do. The states are sovereign entities. That it's not a crime in the other state would be immaterial.
In Heath, kidnapping and murder were illegal in both states. That fact pattern is not present here and readily distinguishable.
Here, the "crime" is the abortion.
Any state trying to make interstate travel to a state where abortion is legal will almost certainly lose on a number of constitutional grounds, even with this Court, imho.
You might be correct but Heath was tried for murder in Alabama under Alabama law even though the murder occurred in Georgia. O'Connor wrote that the power "to undertake criminal prosecutions derive from separate and independent sources of power and authority originally belonging to [states] before admission to the Union and preserved to them by the Tenth Amendment." Alabama acted as a "separate and independent" sovereign state in prosecuting Heath and I can't see how the law in Georgia changes that.
States will certainly pass such laws regardless and it will be up to SCOTUS to decide...I wish I had your optimism as to the outcome but they have already demonstrated deference to local govts over the Constitution.
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