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Pretty good opinion piece on long-term consequences of rushing SCOTUS nominee

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The unmasking of the Supreme Court

The notion that Republicans will “win” and capture the Supreme Court for a generation by jamming through a highly partisan justice during an election on a strictly partisan vote is preposterous. It will simply be the starting gun in a race to dismantle the Supreme Court as we know it.
Remember that the agenda for the right on the Supreme Court is to subvert overwhelmingly popular policies, such as access to legalized abortion. As soon as the Supreme Court strikes it down, Congress could pass a bill enshrining it in law, albeit after unrooting the filibuster.
As for the court itself, the uneasy balance that has existed for decades — that each president gets a pick or two and that the Senate only occasionally blocks a nomination (Robert Bork being the sole example of a judge voted down in recent memory) — rests on restraint and comity that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) destroyed in denying President Barack Obama his pick and then jamming through President Trump’s. If, as seems very possible, Democrats capture the White House and the Senate, there will be a radical remaking of the Supreme Court and its role in our system.
Let’s start with the basics. The Constitution gives the Supreme Court limited original jurisdiction. As stated in Article III: “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.” But this is a tiny portion of what the Supreme Court does. As the Federal Judicial Center reports: “Between 1789 and 1959, the Court issued written opinions in only 123 original cases. Since 1960, the Court has received fewer than 140 motions for leave to file original cases, nearly half of which were denied a hearing. The majority of cases filed have been in disputes between two or more states.”
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The Supreme Court’s jurisdiction in all other cases — the ones we commonly associate with the court — are controlled at the complete discretion of Congress. (Per the Constitution: “In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.”) The Supreme Court has huge, wide-ranging jurisdiction because Congress granted it, not because of some constitutional preordained scheme.
The next Congress could, for example, decide that the Supreme Court will have no jurisdiction concerning the constitutionality of federal statutes. Congress could create a separate court for that or simply allow circuit courts to reach their own decisions. (The notion of having different laws in different circuits is not unprecedented. The Supreme Court does not take every case in which circuit courts have disagreed.) Congress could peel off other classes of cases — e.g., the constitutionality of state laws, disputes between Congress and the executive — as well. Conservatives in the 1970s and 1980s, increasingly worried about an imperial Supreme Court, considered all sorts of measures to limit jurisdiction (e.g., taking away school busing cases).
A highly partisan Supreme Court widely viewed as politically driven could find itself with rather little to do.
That is only one change that a new Congress might enact. The Post’s Editorial Board and many others have suggested limiting the term of Supreme Court justices. Back in 2014, Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute wrote:
With a Court that is increasingly active in overturning laws passed by Congress and checking presidential authority when there is a president of the opposite party, that means nominations both to appeals courts and to the Supreme Court have become increasingly divisive and polarized, for both parties. And the policy future of the country depends as much on the actuarial tables and the luck of the draw for presidents as it does on the larger trends in politics and society. …
For more than a decade, I have strongly advocated moving toward term limits for appellate judges and Supreme Court justices. I would like to have single, 18-year terms, staggered so that each president in a term would have two vacancies to fill. Doing so would open opportunities for men and women in their 60s, given modern life expectancies, and not just those in their 40s. It would to some degree lower the temperature on confirmation battles by making the stakes a bit lower. And it would mean a Court that more accurately reflects the changes and judgments of the society.
The Supreme Court could also be expanded by two or even four justices. The number of justices is a matter of statute, subject to the will of Congress. Since the Merrick Garland stunt, former attorney general Eric Holder has supported this approach. “If, in fact, they are successful in placing a justice on the court,” Holder said recently, “we need to think about court reform. And at a minimum, as part of that reform package, I think additional justices need to be placed on the Supreme Court.”
To achieve some or all of these reforms, Democrats will probably need to do away with the Senate filibuster unless their wins in November are enormous and a few Republicans can be persuaded to strike a deal. Having destroyed even the patina of independence and of fair play, Republicans would be in a poor position to scream foul. And even if they do, I am certain a substantial majority of Democrats in the House and Senate will shrug, smile and proceed ahead. (Without the filibuster, a whole list of other measures can be passed, including a statute ensuring abortion rights and funding without the Hyde Amendment restrictions under any government health-care program, securing voting rights, admission of new states, etc.)
The mistake that Republicans make is thinking there is some permanent victory they can obtain in defiance of popular will that is increasingly hostile to their agenda. As undemocratic as our system has become, a substantial majority of voters can ultimately work their will by electing a president and congressional majority of their liking.
If McConnell is not able to jam through a confirmation before the election, all of these reforms and more will be on the table in the lame duck session. A president-elect Biden, armed with an incoming Senate majority, would be in a strong position to lay out the future of a diminished and defanged Supreme Court should Republicans jam through a nominee after a sizable election loss.
“The GOP is in the process of landing a devastating one-two punch on the credibility of the Supreme Court,” says Norman Eisen, former counsel to Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment process. By refusing to consider the nomination of Garland in 2016 and now flip-flopping to force through another nominee in an election year, Eisen argues, Republicans would have “tainted” two of the nine seats and therefore the court itself. He adds: “The Democratic leadership of the House and the Senate have made clear that any and all remedies should be on the table if this proceeds, and that is right. Adding additional seats, re-examining the scope of the court’s jurisdiction (to the extent constitutionally permitted), imposing stringent ethics requirements like the ones that apply to all other judges nationally, enhancing Court transparency and much more should be carefully evaluated if this appointment goes forward.”
The permutations and possible outcomes are endless, but two things are not up for debate. First, Democrats will need a convincing win to achieve any of these measures, not to mention the rest of their agenda. An army of Ruth Bader Ginsburg admirers marching to the polls can increase their chances of a convincing victory.
Second, let’s stop the silly moaning that “Republicans cannot be stopped” or that “the right will own the Supreme Court for decades.” Nonsense. Ultimately, the people decide — and there is every reason to believe that the people have no stomach for a Republican world in which millions lose health-care coverage, abortion is criminalized in many states, LGBTQ rights are undone, states can eviscerate voting rights and the executive branch gets a free pass to do whatever it pleases. November will become a referendum not only on all these issues, but on the Republican effort to impose minority rule of overwhelmingly White conservative states on the rest of the country.
 
None of those are consequences...they are merely idiotic reactions the spoiled little (hysterical) brats on the Left could take if they don’t get their way.
What? You don't like it when the Republicans bullshit games get thrown back in their faces? Your side changes the rules of the game, and lie about it, to suit shoving their minority agenda onto the rest of us.
 
What? You don't like it when the Republicans bullshit games get thrown back in their faces? Your side changes the rules of the game, and lie about it, to suit shoving their minority agenda onto the rest of us.

It‘s an opinion piece. I’m not concerned in the slightest.
 
What? You don't like it when the Republicans bullshit games get thrown back in their faces? Your side changes the rules of the game, and lie about it, to suit shoving their minority agenda onto the rest of us.

So it was the Republicans who changed the rule about needing 60 Senators for Federal appointments?

Or no? @Tom Paris
 
What? You don't like it when the Republicans bullshit games get thrown back in their faces? Your side changes the rules of the game, and lie about it, to suit shoving their minority agenda onto the rest of us.

Abortion was not the popular opinion when Roe v Wade was passed. That was the minority agenda sped through the courts and shoved on the rest of us.

The USA stands out in the world when it comes to abortion. The rest of the world does not allow abortion so callously as we do. We are on the wrong side of history when it comes to ritually snuffing out human life by the millions.
 
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Abortion was not the popular opinion when Roe v Wade was passed. That was the minority agenda sped through the courts and shoved on the rest of us.

The USA stands out in the world when it comes to abortion. The rest of the world does not allow abortion so callously as we do. We are on the wrong side of history when it comes to ritually snuffing out human life by the millions.
Say abortion is abolished. What would you do to support the hundreds of thousands of unwanted children to ensure they are healthy and have equal opportunity for success as other children?
 
Yep....look what happened when Ginsberg‘s nomination was rushed thru.
 
This country will be in an even better place when women lose the right to choose and ACA is overturned. Nothing like forcing 800,000 women to have children without health insurance during an once in a century pandemic, economic crisis, and a growing wealth disparity. And people are worried about fatherless homes and crime, now. Just wait.
 
?? It's a hypothetical question. Perhaps I need to spell it out for you more. If abortion becomes illegal resulting in thousands more unwanted births, what do you propose doing with the children to ensure their opportunity to be healthy and successful?

Is that clearer for you?

The discussion was about Roe v Wade not the abolition of abortion. So if you don’t understand R v W please familiarize yourself with it.
 
The discussion was about Roe v Wade not the abolition of abortion. So if you don’t understand R v W please familiarize yourself with it.
Sigh. Re-read post #13. I didn't bring up abortion.

If you don't want to answer the question just say so. I understand why you wouldn't.
 
Abortion was not the popular opinion when Roe v Wade was passed. That was the minority agenda sped through the courts and shoved on the rest of us.

The USA stands out in the world when it comes to abortion. The rest of the world does not allow abortion so callously as we do. We are on the wrong side of history when it comes to ritually snuffing out human life by the millions.
Another false statement by you. Just make crap up.

 
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Take that as a yes, Democrats changed the rules.

The Supreme Court nuclear option changed because Democrats were obstructing a Supreme Court nomination. Sound familiar? you guys going to make it three for three?
The Supreme Court nuclear option was imposed by republicans.
 
The Supreme Court nuclear option was imposed by republicans.

Yes, while using the nuclear option imposed by Democrats on Federal court appointments as justification while Democrats were obstructing a Supreme Court nominee.

Dems changed the rules, Dems were doing something they now claim to be against (filibustering), then get mad when Reps do the same exact thing(changed more rules.) You can't make this stuff up! The hypocrisy is astounding.
 
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Another false statement by you. Just make crap up.


Yep, 22%. A super minority!
 
The discussion was about Roe v Wade not the abolition of abortion. So if you don’t understand R v W please familiarize yourself with it.

Conservatives have been very clear that the ultimate goal in overturning Roe v Wade is the banning of abortion. Most of their recent legislation on the state would have the practical effect of that.
 
Yes, while using the nuclear option imposed by Democrats on Federal court appointments as justification while Democrats were obstructing a Supreme Court nominee.

Dems changed the rules, Dems were doing something they now claim to be against (filibustering), then get mad when Rebs do the same exact thing(changed more rules.) You can't make this stuff up! The hypocrisy is astounding.
Lol. Backpedaling fast. The democrats set no precedent for the SC. The republicans changed those rules.

Why won't you answer my question?
 
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Losing we can handle. It's the lying and cheating to win that we have a problem with. Clearly you don't. You like your lying conman president. He's you. You're him.


Step away and breathe. You're getting angry again. ;)
 
Conservatives have been very clear that the ultimate goal in overturning Roe v Wade is the banning of abortion. Most of their recent legislation on the state would have the practical effect of that.

I don’t know that is true. Some perhaps. Some Conservatives want the states to own the decision. I know how I feel.
 
None of those are consequences...they are merely idiotic reactions the spoiled little (hysterical) brats on the Left could take if they don’t get their way.

It's ok for Republicans to break and change the rules, but for Democrats it's being "spoiled hysterical brats". Yeah, nobody on the left gives a shit what you think anymore. This is the playing field you are making, quit crying when it bites you in the ass.
 
I stopped at literally the first sentence:

jamming through a highly partisan justice

Like, any attempt to consider truth? Does anyone want to compare the partisanship of Republican SC appointments, versus Democratic ones? Republican nominees are as likely to be moderate or liberal as they are hardcore conservative. Who's the last Democratic nominee that didn't rule the liberal line completely?

17 of the last 21 justices nominated since 1969 have been nominated by Republicans. And yet Roe still stands, Obamacare stands, we got gay marriage and employment protections for homosexuals, etc. If we were going to be living in Handmaid's Tale because of Republican SC nominees, I think we'd be there already.

The chances of a moderate, non-partisan supreme court justice being nominated by a Republican is proven much greater than the chances of one being nominated by a Democrat. The "partisan justice" rhetoric is just a lie.
 
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Yep, 22%. A super minority!
Do you purposely stay stupid. 76% believed abortions should be allowed all the time or under certain circumstances like rape or risk of death to the mother. But go ahead and read it like the majority were dead set against it.

Then you have to factor in the assholes who are against it EXCEPT when they knock a woman up. Guys like your president. Hypocrites.
 
It was an accurate description of opinion piece. I understand you don’t like it but I wasn’t seeking your approval.
Sure. Republicans can do whatever they want. If the Democrats even talk about pushing back the right wing snowflakes show up.
 
Sure. Republicans can do whatever they want. If the Democrats even talk about pushing back the right wing snowflakes show up.

Huh? The Republicans are doing whatever they want...except to the extent permissible by law. Democrats don’t like it so they cry foul and make up lies to justify it.

The democrats would do exactly the same thing the republicans are doing right now and since it‘s legal...that’s just the way the ball bounces.
 
I don’t know that is true. Some perhaps. Some Conservatives want the states to own the decision. I know how I feel.

I don't object to leaving it up to the states either, so long as they don't move to ban abortion in total. I've said before, I don't like abortion, I wish they happened at a far rarer occurrence and only as a last option.

But measures passed by various GOP state legislatures such as having strict requirements for what abortion clinics need before being able to perform abortions, the so-called heartbeat bills - where a fetus could have a heartbeat for the mother ever knew she was pregnant...all of these in total have the outcome of effectively banning abortion in those states.

I really do think that at least some conservatives believe that if they can overturn Roe v Wade, they'll be able to make abortion illegal nationwide. There's a disturbing number of people (on both sides of the debate to be fair), who honestly believe abortions never happened in the US before Roe.
 
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