A lot of people go to work for the money and b/c they like it better than the next best option. Willie’s work just happens to be online wrestling-related, so hardly an earth-shattering point there …
Question about NIL
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Yeah I know what he is here for jack, but to make sly remarks to Iowa fans while defending the other guys directly after a disappointing March is probably not a good marketing strategy!
Oh trust me, I’m not a fan of him either. I’m sure he’ll respond to this and cry like the whiny … nvm I’ll calm down.
I really don’t mind him that much, he is better than most. He won’t respond because he cannot answer the questions honestly. This is why he plays the (it was a joke) card and skirts around making a comment about something he may know is true, but would hurt his connection to a certain school.
It’s a catch 22 for him and that’s why if he is smart he would not make stupid comments around here because he will get called out on them and then he will be backed into a corner that he will not be able to joke his way out of.
NIL is taxable as income, so to cover everything for an out of state kid you're talking $75k+ a year gross to negate a "full" scholy
You also have the obvious issue of kids wanting to keep the NIL as opposed to simply handing it over to a university that might have given them close to a full otherwise. I view NIL as incremental to the traditional scholarship offer.
Short of a Gable Stevenson or maybe a Spencer Lee your are not going to see hardly any kids generating that kind of dough.
Wrestling isn't big time Football. There will be some, but very few in this strata. You could count on one hand Nationwide how many each year, and don't assume these will all map to the top four programs on the country.
But, if you just give someone a little leeway, you might learn somethings without that someone realizing they have a “tell.” Could be more in what’s not said.
Sometimes it pays to play dum.
A related question. As I understand, athletes have to report NIL money to U compliance departments. Question is whether that in any way then becomes public information, even if only by formal 'FOIA' approach. Or does it remain top secret unless athlete volunteers it? Seems like it would at least help with transparency if it was public info.
I’m not sure it’s the University’s place to divulge that info. That should be between the athlete and their NIL agent? Maybe parents…
And if I understand, still has to be commensurate with going rate for whatever the item/activity involves.....though that is admittedly a pretty gray area. But can't offer a guy $1M if he shows his face at a 1-day kids wrestling camp in Hicksville.
May be true, but they would not have that NIL opportunity were they not an athlete at a public University, though they could still pursue similar money in a professional/private arena. Aren't professor salaries public info?
I don’t believe they are employed by university. There might be oversight necessary but I doubt there is required disclosure of student athletes’ monetary gains and income related to personal NIL.
Uh, because in a sense, we do. The good people at rivals make the space available, but collectively, we create the vibe here, for better or for worse.
HR is a digital subculture based on identity of "loyalty to a team." Digital subcultures behave in strange ways because they consist (mostly) of anonymous posters. We try to mitigate that by a small (maybe microsopic
) measure of self-policing. Social pressure is powerful, and no one wants to embarrass themselves in front of their Hawkeye brothers and sisters, or at least they shouldn't. That does not stop me, or anyone else, from saying some bonehead things here sometimes. Human nature.However, just 'cause M*, TnT, and Carl have you on speed dial doesn't mean that anyone at HR has to kiss your heinie, Willie. Like all media "stars," and I use that term very generously in your case, you're only as good as your good will and charm in the various fan bases will allow. Maybe stirring the pot in nearly every contentious discussion on HR isn't your best path. Have a nice day!
Will you though…that seems unlikely given the reputation you’ve earned since the big ten tourney.
I don’t see smalls really stirring the pot here. He’s a fan of wrestling. It seems to me like he’s attempted to play nice for the most part.Uh, because in a sense, we do. The good people at rivals make the space available, but collectively, we create the vibe here, for better or for worse.
HR is a digital subculture based on identity of "loyalty to a team." Digital subcultures behave in strange ways because they consist (mostly) of anonymous posters. We try to mitigate that by a small (maybe microsopic
However, just 'cause M*, TnT, and Carl have you on speed dial doesn't mean that anyone at HR has to kiss your heinie, Willie. Like all media "stars," and I use that term very generously in your case, you're only as good as your good will and charm in the various fan bases will allow. Maybe stirring the pot in nearly every contentious discussion on HR isn't your best path. Have a nice day!
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Agree for the most part, but when a pundit thinks that they are better than the the fans they speak to, or even the sport they cover, things can go south.
Oh, that part…. I see it as him just defending himself and trying to act a little tough in the ‘pool. I prefer that to boot licking to remain in good grace, I guess.
Very good point, Dub. But you don't have to be boot licker or a jerk to be good.
Your statement is a major account/explanation on how/why the NCAA has arrived at Name Image Likeness interim destination. NCAA colleges and universities have long held (1964) that athletes are “student athletes’”, and not employees of the university/college. And as such college athletics are exempt from antitrust laws. In the recent (2021) Supreme Court opinion NCAA vs Alston (unanimous 9-0), the legal pendulum has begun to swing in favor of the athletes.
There are currently petitions before the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) that seek to provide greater freedom for the athletes (unionization). Essentially the pleading states that athletes are skilled workers paid by scholarship. And by well-established labor law definition, the athletes are employees. We shall see.
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Well, we suffer fools, so hornswagglers and nit pickers should roam free, too, maybe?
Can't support con men (hornswagglers), Dub.
As for fools or nit pickers, I see one every day in the mirror, so I should learn to be a little more tolerant of them.
Most state foia laws have exceptions for confidential and proprietary commercial information. inasmuch as this is a private contract rather than a public contract with the university itself, Id thin that the invocation of an exception would be honored.
oh come on. i post here everyday. you're a big boy. you can take a joke. the mantra on here is that PSU wins b/c of money and recruiting. so i made a joke about it. don't get your panties in a bunch.
as far as not answering the questions - what exactly are you questions? i'm not shy.
Okay big guyI will give you another shot.
How many #1 recruits have PSU had the last 10 years compared to the rest of the top 5 teams？
How are they able to maintain all of these guys on 9.9 while having others riding pine without transferring？
How does psu use their 7.3mil slush fund and have they used it to buy in recruits?
since you cannot honestly answer the second part of that question I will ask you one more,
In your opinion has PSU maybe used funds outside of standard scholly funds to get and keep athletes?
"How many #1 recruits have PSU had the last 10 years compared to the rest of the top 5 teams?"
Idk. i haven't looked that one up. it's easily ascertainable. perhaps i will do so just for you. #1 at what? their weight or Big Board?
"How are they able to maintain all of these guys on 9.9 while having others riding pine without transferring? How does psu use their 7.3mil slush fund and have they used it to buy in recruits"
how the hell am i supposed to know that?
"In your opinion has PSU maybe used funds outside of standard scholly funds to get and keep athletes?"
No. And outside of RBY they haven't done anything with NIL, which is now legal. They will though, shortly. And i'd imagine they'll be even more loaded. IMO.
Idk. i haven't looked that one up. it's easily ascertainable. perhaps i will do so just for you. #1 at what? their weight or Big Board?
"How are they able to maintain all of these guys on 9.9 while having others riding pine without transferring? How does psu use their 7.3mil slush fund and have they used it to buy in recruits"
how the hell am i supposed to know that?
"In your opinion has PSU maybe used funds outside of standard scholly funds to get and keep athletes?"
No. And outside of RBY they haven't done anything with NIL, which is now legal. They will though, shortly. And i'd imagine they'll be even more loaded. IMO.
At their weight.
thought you were an insider like that Nemo guy.
your answer to the third question contradicts the answer to the second!
Anyway I give you credit for at least the attempt to answer, I still like you much better than Nemo.
Grip- I don't understand the victim mentality you have of "we lost, so the other guys must have cheated". I guarantee TnT have the mentality of "we lost, so we need to get better".
I'm not even saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that its time to move on.
I'm not even saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that its time to move on.
C’mon Grip, I know you can be better than this. Don’t be the “I don’t know/I’m too lazy to do my own research, so I’ll just conclude they must be cheating” guy.
A bunch here have been doing that for so many years, now, and the evidence is still nil.
Look, NLWC got funded in a big way, incrementally accumulated top-end talent, now has a major presence for Team USA, and is therefore going to continue to be a major attraction for top-end recruits not only looking at a college team but also what kind of RTC is associated with it. Until HWC can compete at that level, expect more of the same (and hope Michigan and Ohio St don’t pass you by in the meantime).
There will always be a faction of wrestlers wanting to be the best more than anything else and, therefore, willing to sacrifice scholarship $$ they could otherwise command if that’s what it takes to join what is clearly the best program with the best prospects. The train left the station years ago and is still picking up steam. Sure, $$ can help other programs build competitive RTCs, and that — in addition to coaching and marketing — will be what tips any scales.
The 9.9 is relevant only in the respect that demand for a program will dictate how easy it is for said program to spread that out and “underpay” a collection of elite recruits. Demand for PSU is super-high right now, and so guys should be willing to take less given the other, intangible “compensation” offered in the form of likely success on both the collegiate stage and the world stage.
There is certainly more evidence of that than there is of cheating. I equate the “financial cheating” allegations to the “PED cheating” allegations. They are based only on bitterness and jealousy, not on hard evidence. It’s garbage and weak-minded.
By this point in time, no one should be asking “How can PSU get so many top-end recruits?” The relevant question is now “Why would top-end recruits not flock to PSU?” There are lots of valid reasons for individuals to go elsewhere, but on a whole, it would be very strange for PSU not to have the pick of the litter. It would be a red flag for the program if it didn’t.
you are so defensive when it comes to your ps favorite. nothing was said about a specific team but seems you logically assume since you know what is happening. had to jump right in!
your favorite coach and your favorite team. don’t need you here so go kiss his aaaaaaas.
I’m a Hawk fan. One specific team is doing better than us currently. I can see things that they do differently than we do.
One would be the practice of continuously attempting to improve weak links in lineup. I know we like our guys, but that practice alone could be a big enough difference to swing a tight team race in March.
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i'm not being defensive. i'm joking. i said the same exact thing in the recruiting thread.
the point being, the same two topics come up in droves on here every year in late march. you and getaGRIP are too simple to understand.
I responded to YOUR post which DIRECTLY MENTIONED ps. Not ONCE did I talk about what ps does or does not do. SOMEONE IS “SIMPLE” here bit that appears to be you.
