Somebody please explain to me how Marinelli drops from 1-5(which I get) but why Dean does not drop at all?
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dean beat brucki. he lost to caffey.
warner doesn't have great wins this year and lost to bastida. Schultz's loss was to Buchanan who has a win over Brucki but lost to owen pentz.
Rocky elam lost again this weekend to Tanner Sloan.
Frankly, it's a mess.
warner doesn't have great wins this year and lost to bastida. Schultz's loss was to Buchanan who has a win over Brucki but lost to owen pentz.
Rocky elam lost again this weekend to Tanner Sloan.
Frankly, it's a mess.
For arguments sake, it's best to not try to compare movements from different weight classes, as changes can't be uniformly applied when top guys take losses.
In this instance, 165 has Wick and O'Toole as unbeaten and returning AAs. Then Griffith with 2 losses(Wick/Ramirez) and the defending champ, then Kharchla(one loss and hth win over Bull). It makes perfect sense that(for now) Bull slid into the 5 spot.
197 is a whole different situation. You have AJ, then a bunch of guys with losses to lower ranked wrestlers. Dean probably has the best combined wins so far over Brucki, Bulsak, and Norfleet.
Maybe an argument for Schultz to 2, but you would have to be able to ignore last year's NCAAs, which is tough to do.
Just saw intermat moved the HAWKS to #3 try and explain that!
Let me help. it is IOWA against everyone else and thats OK.
Let me help. it is IOWA against everyone else and thats OK.
Intermat has always been rather pro hawk. They moved to #3 in the tournament ranking because the Bull dropped to #5 and we have performed like the third best team in the country so far this season.
Lol we've blown away every team put up against us, do you truly think Michigan looks better?
Their performance against PSU was disgraceful.
Edit: forgot about NC St. They came to play. Doesn't change the fact that Michigan looks way worse than us. I suppose we'll be able to revisit this Friday.
You might want to wait until after this weekend to critique Michigan’s results against PSU. We could easily loose eight matches.
FIFY
Damn Art we were really close on that one, just one word away. Nearly total agreement.
FWIW...I think we could win OR lose 8 matches this Friday. There should be several doozies.
Don't know that I've ever seen a dual with more true tossups.
We could truly blow them out, they could blow us out, or it could be a barn burner. Absolutely insane.
it's not a subjective calculation. they do the individual rankings based on results. then they plug those rankings into the ncaa scoring system. iowa beating the brakes off illinois doesn't factor into anything.
marinelli falling to 5 is a big negative point change without any positive movement to counter balance it. and that movement is fair. of the 4 ahead of him, 2 have wins over him and the other 2 are undefeated guys with prior top 3 placements. marinelli also hasn't beaten anybody that good this year. frankly, hamiti has the better resume this year. more bonus and a better win. marinelli is ranked higher based on legacy.
as willie said, 197 is a mess and they all have losses, but dean has the best wins.
the most questionable ranking has to be micic at 4 given the shallacking he took from Matthews and ducking Lee and Rivera. but the guys below him aren't outstanding either. i get it, but i disagree.
it all comes out in the wash. these guys will hit eventually. it's really not something worth worrying about.
Yep. If you want to win the damn thing, you have to beat everybody you face. We've got several guys who can win the whole damn thing. Take care of business when it counts.
No. I don’t think as a dual team that Michigan has looked better. The ranking referenced is a tournament ranking derived from individual rankings. It appears to me that the individual rankings are fairly reflective of the performance of the hawks as well as other teams. I think we finish 1st or 2nd this year but we have absolutely earned where we are ranked this far.
If one team can win 83% of the matches, I proclaim they will win the meet.
also, intermat has hawks at #2 in dual meet ranking.
as posted by js - tournament ranking really isn't a 'ranking' but rather a function of adding up the points from the individual rankings.
Marinelli going from #1 to #5 is about a 10 to 12pt hit.
Agree on the Micic-at-#4 angle though.
I honestly don't give two shits what we're ranked, and fully understand that if we bumped down it was because of algorithmic calculations and Yada Yada Yada..
I was simply commenting on the guy thinking we look like/are the third best team right now, which I emphatically disagree with.
Tournament or dual, don't see a chance Michigan beats us in real life even if marinelli gets 5th.
#5 makes sense. I'd have it Wick-O'Toole-Griffith-Kharchla-Bull. And that's tier 1 (and I think Griffith gets bounced out to tier 2). Then there is a dropoff to tier 2. I know Hamiti has been getting a lot of love, and I'm impressed as well, but I'll withhold judgment until he actually wrestles anybody. Marinelli might be the only top 10 opponent he sees until the B1G tournament.
Rankings (the #1, 2, 3, …) are evenly spaced but the actual spacing in terms of probability of winning any H2H against another guy +/- 4 places may be minuscule in many instances. It isn’t worth sweating with so many matches left.
Hawks are top 2 without question, and individual rankings only mean something coming out of Bigs. Relax and enjoy the team you have built.
Well I’m that guy. Maybe quote me.
let me dumb it down. As individual wrestlers we have earned where we are ranked. As a result of that out TPI is where it is. It is accurate based on our results thus far.
I do not think we are the third best team. I think our results to this point would indicate As a tournament team we are third. That will change. I think that even if we have a bad night Friday that we are likely to move up to #2 and with a good night we move to #1.
I wasn't responding to your comment, I was responding to his, which is why I quoted him. If I wanted to talk to you again I would've quoted you.
Your first post indicated that you thought we were the third best team in the country. You clarified with your second post all I needed to know, which is that you don't truly think we're the third best team, but you understand why the rankings have us that way. Which I do as well.
Which is why I didn't feel the need to respond to you, you summed your thoughts up well. Thanks a lot for dumbing it down though 🙄.
That was a lot of typing to say yes. Our actual results have earned us the #3 ranking.
And you spent a lot of time typing just to be a dick.
Guess we both wasted some time then.
One wrestles for the team everyone loves to hate and the other wrestles for F*nState. There's your answer.
Don't forget the returning 3rd place winner at HWT dropping like a rock after a fluke pin.
| RANK | WRESTLER | SCHOOL | CLASS | CONFERENCE | RECORD | LAST |
|---|
| 1 | Gable Steveson | Minnesota | Junior | Big Ten | 2-0 | 1 |
| 2 | Mason Parris | Michigan | Junior | Big Ten | 0-0 | 2 |
| 3 | Cohlton Schultz | Arizona State | Freshman | Pac-12 | 8-0 | 3 |
| 4 | Greg Kerkvliet | Penn State | Freshman | Big Ten | 3-0 | 4 |
| 5 | Trent Hillger | Wisconsin | Junior | Big Ten | 4-0 | 5 |
| 6 | Tate Orndorff | Ohio State | Junior | Big Ten | 7-0 | 6 |
| 7 | Tony Cassioppi | Iowa | Junior | Big Ten | 1-1 |
Hillger was ahead of him. I do not recall specifically who the other guy was
Ah, I see now that funnyfletcher called it up. Orndorff.
What is the latest on DeSanto? Is he ready to go? Does he have another go to attack ready to go or what? Somebody here tell me, how do you counter that behind the back stuff? That has to open something else up right? What do you do? Circle to that side and double leg? What? Hard right hand clubs to get him to react? What?
Honestly right now what person do you have a problem with where they are ranked? All seem about right with how everyone has wrestled so far this year? If they would've wrestled better so far they would be ranked higher. Then Iowa's tournament rank would be higher. Iowa needs more wrestlers in the top 4.
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