Rankings 12/8
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I don't think I agree that someone should drop in the rankings if they have not lost yet..... Oh well they are Dec. rankings. Don't mean a whole lot anyway.
Yeah, if anything it should be #1 Clark, #2 Garrett, #3 Brewer
I think Clark and Garrett and Sorenson and Retherford are the two match ups I am most looking forward to seeing this year. I have always been amazed at how easily Gilman used to beat Garrett and it seems that Clark handles Gilman (from reports I have heard thru this site). It will be cool to see how that translates in the match between Clark and Garrett.
Have you seen Nashon's shoulders? They look like they injected him with the same stuff that makes turkey breasts bigger except it made his shoulders bigger.I think Nashon is going to have a very sore shoulder after he faces Clark
Garrett looks very strong, and he'll be a very tough out for Clark.
Garrett's beatdown of Brewer makes it look like a three man race between Clark, Brewer, and Garrett for the NC 33 title this year.
Weird to see Iowa have 4 weight classes unranked and still be within spitting distance of a #1 team ranking. Grothus (God, I hope) and a climbing Sam Brooks will put them right in the hunt. Hope to see Stoll work his way up too. Anything out of Coop and Rhodes/Paddock is gravy.
Clark may very well be the best 133 in the country, but to rank him number 1 at this point doesn't seem correct. Unless Garrett has lost a match this year that I am not aware of. I could see them ranking Garrett 1 and Clark 2 and then Brewer, but since Brewer beat Clark the last time they wrestled, I can also see the logic of keeping him ahead of Clark.
It is going to be a 3 way dog fight for the title at 133, or so it seems at this point in the year.
How important does the Garrett win over Brewer make it for Clark to beat Garrett for NCAA seeding purposes? Much more bonus potential and much less risk of an upset before the finals if those two are seeded two and three while Clark picks up the one seed. Huge for Clark and for team race implications.
Being the returning 2nd place winner when Garrett got 5th at a different weight last year. It's no big deal.
I think the only opportunity would be at national duals. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Clark needs to hope Garrett loses somewhere before the National tournament or Iowa, by chance, wrestles the Big Red in the NWCA National Duals. Equally, Clark has a difficult schedule in front of him with the Midlands and difficult weight class within the Big 10.
I guess the fact that he's the undefeated returning runner-up at this weight and Garrett isn't. Is that not enough "merit" for you?
He placed 5th at a lower weight where Clark's teammate owns him, a teammate that Clark wouldn't let have the spot when they were the same weight.
Clark is undefeated, is the returning runner-up at this weight, and the guy that was ahead of him lost. I guess Garrett's new "big shoulders" really impressed the "rankers".
Yeah, this stuff is really hard.
Garrett beat Brewer last week in Vegas 14-9. Garrett is already 18-0 this season, while Clark is 7-0. The victory was significant enough that the so-called "experts" believe Garrett is the No. 1 ranked guy. Frankly, I could care less, because I believe Clark can compete with anyone in the weight class. Let's see how they (Clark and Brewer) do amongst the field at the Midlands,
And truthfully, it's not that hard to figure it out.
Some of those same "experts" though Gulibon was too. How's that working out again?
Guilbon was ranked #1 at the beginning of the season by Flo despite finishing 5th at a lower weight class (just like NG).
Anything correlated with Flo, first and foremost, is extremely East Coast biased. Just ask Willie Saylor. Like I said in a prior post, Nahshon Garretts performance at the Cliff Keen was more than IMPRESSIVE. He put it on the defending champ. Follow the Intermat rankings. Much more accurate. And if you want some Iowa love--go the OPEN MAT rankings. Sorenson #1, Brooks #6 and Stoll #12.
CP on flo radio today said PSU has 7 AA. I think 125,149,157,197 our sure things. 174 probably happens but not as sure as the others. 133,141,184 all get round of 12. 165 is 2-2.
I think Iowa 125,133,149,174,184,197 AA. 141 AA if BS is in form. 285 could happen and 157 after watching Pack match isn't out of the question. I'm such an Iowa homer.
I think Iowa 125,133,149,174,184,197 AA. 141 AA if BS is in form. 285 could happen and 157 after watching Pack match isn't out of the question. I'm such an Iowa homer.
It's going to be an exciting season but I do feel it will come down to a two team race. Just look at the expected point comparison at nationals.
PSU 125 wash with IA 125
PSU 157 wash with IA 133
PSU 149 wash with IA 149
PSU 174 wash with IA 174
PSU 197 wash with IA 197
PSU 184 wash with IA Hwt
PSU 165 wash with IA 157
PSU Hwt wash with IA 165
Not a huge point gap either way on any of these in my opinion, remember bonus not placement with some of these. I think the big wild cards will be is Conway a Rd12 or can he make a run to AA status, think Courts last year probably will have a similar seed. Can Guilbon get his act together by March and become an AA or will he fade in March? Will Iowa get an healthy Grothus at 141 this year? What kind of run will Brooks make? Bonus points early and wrestling Saturday night or bad draw and fighting to AA. That's why I feel his regular season is so important so he could possibly get a two or three seed and meet Dean in the Finals. Can't wait for Midlands to get a few answers.
PSU 125 wash with IA 125
PSU 157 wash with IA 133
PSU 149 wash with IA 149
PSU 174 wash with IA 174
PSU 197 wash with IA 197
PSU 184 wash with IA Hwt
PSU 165 wash with IA 157
PSU Hwt wash with IA 165
Not a huge point gap either way on any of these in my opinion, remember bonus not placement with some of these. I think the big wild cards will be is Conway a Rd12 or can he make a run to AA status, think Courts last year probably will have a similar seed. Can Guilbon get his act together by March and become an AA or will he fade in March? Will Iowa get an healthy Grothus at 141 this year? What kind of run will Brooks make? Bonus points early and wrestling Saturday night or bad draw and fighting to AA. That's why I feel his regular season is so important so he could possibly get a two or three seed and meet Dean in the Finals. Can't wait for Midlands to get a few answers.
Very nice work!! I applaud the thoughts. It's such a long season, that an injury here or there, or something out of the ordinary taking place, may be the telling story. I still revert back to bonus points. And I do concur, that Midlands will provide a better picture of what to expect the rest of the year.
East Coast bias is a danger for all Texas-based companies. Anyone who doubts your claim just needs to look at the recent rights deals Flo has announced with East Coast power elite institutions Oklahoma State and South Dakota State.
I think it is a bit silly to rank guys based mostly on last years results. Take Gulibon for example. That being said, it is true that Clark got 2nd last year and Garrett got 5th. However, Clark lost to how many different people last year 5? 6? I am thinking Richards, Gulibon, Was Dejulius in there? All of which he avenged. Then there was Schopp, Dardanes and Brewer. If he is on the other side of the bracket, he may have ben a 5th or lower placer.
If it was some johhny come lately unheralded guy like Barlow McGee upsetting a finalist from the previous year, I could see not ranking him number 1. But it isn't. It is Nashon Garret and he is a proven entity. The ranking makes total sense to me.
I am not saying Clark won't beat him, (especially from the way Gilman handled him) but I am saying that ranking Garrett first has merit and it is what I would have done, if I were doing the ranking.
If it was some johhny come lately unheralded guy like Barlow McGee upsetting a finalist from the previous year, I could see not ranking him number 1. But it isn't. It is Nashon Garret and he is a proven entity. The ranking makes total sense to me.
I am not saying Clark won't beat him, (especially from the way Gilman handled him) but I am saying that ranking Garrett first has merit and it is what I would have done, if I were doing the ranking.
The Garrett-Brewer match was a heck of a lot closer than seems to be acknowledged by some posters here. Brewer gave up two desperation take downs at the end. Also came close to putting Garrent on his back a second time on a scramble that went out of bounds. I think putting Garrett number 1 is defensible, although it's not the judgment I would make. I am not of the view, however, that Garrett's performance, as impressive as it was, constituted a domination of Brewer. I'll take Brewer in any rematch.
And if my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle.........................Yes, Garrett is a proven entity and a fine wrestler. I haven't looked at a single set of rankings, only those I've seen commented about on here, that's how important they are, especially in December. You rise up the rankings and beat the guy put in front of you every time, MOST of the time it takes care of itself, but even then............................
Please do not mistake the fact that I agree with ranking Garrett first with a belief that he will beat Clark. Rankings have to go by some set of criteria and I can agree with and understand the criteria. That is what rankings are.
I hope to see the match between Clark and him. I can very easily see Clark winning that match. That would simplify the ranking process considerably.
I was hoping Clark would maybe get stronger but the way he wrestled that last match with SDS has me somewhat concered.
Maybe he just was not ready that nite. I just have concern about how strong that Brewer is cutting that weight. Like if they would meet in the finals they weigh in in the morning right, Brewer could weigh over 140 some...I still have faith in Clark can do the job.
Maybe he just was not ready that nite. I just have concern about how strong that Brewer is cutting that weight. Like if they would meet in the finals they weigh in in the morning right, Brewer could weigh over 140 some...I still have faith in Clark can do the job.
I could see where Zane would concern you since he beat Clark last year and then he kind of fell off the radar. He must have been hurt or something. We really do not know where he stands. If I remember correctly he took Ramos into overtime at the NCAA's the year before.
As for the others, I do not see anyone progressing as much as Clark. I think he will separate himself from the other two.
I'm glad that none of those kids get to work with the best light weight coach in the country, and have guys like Ramos, McD (when healthy) and Gilman to train with.
Looking at intermat's HS rankings, I don't see Lee ranked anywhere. I remember hearing about an injury. Has he been dropped due to inactivity?
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