Real question regarding tempo

[Fan In Black]

We know that Fran likes to push the ball up court and run. Is there a stat that shows how effective Iowa is scoring off this? To my own eyes ( which are probably frustrated and biased) it doesn't seem effective.

Perhaps there are advantages other than quick buckets.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Fran's reputation for up-tempo is kinda like Hayden Fry's reputation for exotics. I don't think Iowa is that much more up-tempo than most other BB teams.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

We know that Fran likes to push the ball up court and run. Is there a stat that shows how effective Iowa is scoring off this? To my own eyes ( which are probably frustrated and biased) it doesn't seem effective.

Perhaps there are advantages other than quick buckets.

Would W/L record indicate the effectiveness of tempo? For example, Iowa is ?-? when the tempo is 70 or above and ?-? when below 70. We could break down by conference vs non conference as well or, at the very least, when playing power conference foes vs non power conference foes.

 

[Fan In Black]

Would W/L record indicate the effectiveness of tempo? For example, Iowa is ?-? when the tempo is 70 or above and ?-? when below 70. We could break down by conference vs non conference as well or, at the very least, when playing power conference foes vs non power conference foes.

I just don't know if I can trust my perception. I see Iowa pushing the ball up the court, but I dont see a lot of scoring in transition.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I just don't know if I can trust my perception. I see Iowa pushing the ball up the court, but I dont see a lot of scoring in transition.

Interesting observation. Other than Cook and occasionally Wieskamp who goes strong to the rim? If the guards get in there it's usually a charge, turnover or swat so they don't go to the rim. Garza isn't going to be on the receiving end of any lobs so back to Cook or Wieskamp and neither are primary ball handlers.

A fast break for Iowa is getting an open 3 for someone vs. a dunk or lay up for other teams. Early on Iowa got some good looks in these open floor scramble situations but teams are getting back and finding shooters of late which has significantly impacted the offense. Fran needs to get another ball handler on the floor so Bohannon can run to an open spot and hopefully get a clean look in these scenarios--it's the only way he is getting a clean look.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

I just don't know if I can trust my perception. I see Iowa pushing the ball up the court, but I dont see a lot of scoring in transition.

Right. I don’t think there’s a site, at least I couldn’t find one, that specifically tracks fast break points or transition points. We know Iowa is very efficient on offense but I’m not sure if there’s a way to delineate between half court/fast break efficiency.

 

[RocknRollface]

I just don't know if I can trust my perception. I see Iowa pushing the ball up the court, but I dont see a lot of scoring in transition.

Tempo has more to do with taking the first available look than fast breaks.

They do try to push the ball up court but most teams are back and ready for it.

This team doesn't have the athleticism to run the break consistently.

They do generally take the first decent shot available which is what leads to high scoring games.

If Iowa is making shots it works if they're not it usually doesn't.

 

[Fan In Black]

If someone could re-watch all of the games and specifically track transition points vs. half court points that would be really cool. I would give that post a like

 

[Hawksfor3]

I just don't know if I can trust my perception. I see Iowa pushing the ball up the court, but I dont see a lot of scoring in transition.

From what I see, teams are getting back quickly on defense and I'm not sure what our transition scoring is but I'd have to guess it's not significantly high. Against Rutgers, they had 19 fast break points to our 8.

 

[hawkland14]

Tempo has more to do with taking the first available look than fast breaks.

They do try to push the ball up court but most teams are back and ready for it.

This team doesn't have the athleticism to run the break consistently.

They do generally take the first decent shot available which is what leads to high scoring games.

If Iowa is making shots it works if they're not it usually doesn't.

This is a great post. The biggest detriment to Iowa in the last few games has been our inability to make shots. Our defense has been bad all season long. It's amazing that our offensive efficiency number hasn't gone down more over the last two weeks but the late game heroics help keep that steady.

 

[iowalawhawk]

According to Hoop-Math, 25.6% of our shots come in transition (meaning the first 10 seconds of the shot clock). This ranks us 63rd in the country. Our eFG% in transition is 56.5%, which is 146th in the country. Compare this to our 52.5% eFG% when not in transition (74th in the country).

So we shoot in transition more than average, we aren't great at it, but we're better in transition than when we run our sets.

For a bigger breakdown of what we do in transition, look here.

As for whether we are a "transition team" traditionally under Fran, back in 2013-14, more than 30% of our shots came in transition, good for 7th nationally. That year seems to be an aberration.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

According to Hoop-Math, 25.6% of our shots come in transition (meaning the first 10 seconds of the shot clock). This ranks us 63rd in the country. Our eFG% in transition is 56.5%, which is 146th in the country. Compare this to our 52.5% eFG% when not in transition (74th in the country).

So we shoot in transition more than average, we aren't great at it, but we're better in transition than when we run our sets.

For a bigger breakdown of what we do in transition, look here.

As for whether we are a "transition team" traditionally under Fran, back in 2013-14, more than 30% of our shots came in transition, good for 7th nationally. That year seems to be an aberration.

Awesome! Good find.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I have wondered if it comes down to something as basic as Iowa is usually on the short end of the stick when it comes to head to head speed/quickness/athleticism.

As has been pointed out before, Fran's offense first approach seems to be counter to the players he brings in. Relatively slow players might fare better in a slow down game.

 

[Buffalo43]

What i hate is when we hit a couple of shots we try tend to kill our momentum by jacking up 3 point shots on break/secondary break scenarios

Jabo and Baer do this more than anyone

 

[Fan In Black]

According to Hoop-Math, 25.6% of our shots come in transition (meaning the first 10 seconds of the shot clock). This ranks us 63rd in the country. Our eFG% in transition is 56.5%, which is 146th in the country. Compare this to our 52.5% eFG% when not in transition (74th in the country).

So we shoot in transition more than average, we aren't great at it, but we're better in transition than when we run our sets.

For a bigger breakdown of what we do in transition, look here.

As for whether we are a "transition team" traditionally under Fran, back in 2013-14, more than 30% of our shots came in transition, good for 7th nationally. That year seems to be an aberration.

Wow. Thank you.

 

[Fan In Black]

I have wondered if it comes down to something as basic as Iowa is usually on the short end of the stick when it comes to head to head speed/quickness/athleticism.

As has been pointed out before, Fran's offense first approach seems to be counter to the players he brings in. Relatively slow players might fare better in a slow down game.

This is what I have thought for a while. Square peg round holes.

 

[El Simbolo]

If Iowa is making shots it works if they're not it usually doesn't.

THIS

 

[El Simbolo]

According to Hoop-Math, 25.6% of our shots come in transition (meaning the first 10 seconds of the shot clock). This ranks us 63rd in the country. Our eFG% in transition is 56.5%, which is 146th in the country. Compare this to our 52.5% eFG% when not in transition (74th in the country).

So we shoot in transition more than average, we aren't great at it, but we're better in transition than when we run our sets.

For a bigger breakdown of what we do in transition, look here.

As for whether we are a "transition team" traditionally under Fran, back in 2013-14, more than 30% of our shots came in transition, good for 7th nationally. That year seems to be an aberration.

We had way more run outs with Aaron White than we do now

 

[2432Hawk]

While in conf. play we do still lead the league in scoring, of late we've struggled and yes transition is a big part of getting scores before a defense can wall up i think the lack of transition has more to do with our defense. We've struggled of late letting teams shoot to high of percentage which results in fewer defensive rebounds... which has been another problem of late. What I can't seem to figure out is Garza, last year he would be a beast on the boards, but this year he's been quiet as a mouse. Cook has been solid, and to me our slide may be coinciding with Wieskamp's back as well as perhaps the freshman wall?

What we need to focus on, is getting stops... securing the defensive boards, and pushing tempo. Gotta do the 1st 2 before you can go. That has been our strength in beating Wisconsin under Fran as well. Gotta board and go, because you don't want to have to grind against the packline defense all game long.

 

[HawkLogic]

We had way more run outs with Aaron White than we do now

True, but a lot of them were runnouts after opponent made baskets. That said, Whitey was great on beating opponent big down for a basket. We don't have anyone like that on current squad.

 

[Hawksfor3]

While in conf. play we do still lead the league in scoring, of late we've struggled and yes transition is a big part of getting scores before a defense can wall up i think the lack of transition has more to do with our defense. We've struggled of late letting teams shoot to high of percentage which results in fewer defensive rebounds... which has been another problem of late. What I can't seem to figure out is Garza, last year he would be a beast on the boards, but this year he's been quiet as a mouse. Cook has been solid, and to me our slide may be coinciding with Wieskamp's back as well as perhaps the freshman wall?

What we need to focus on, is getting stops... securing the defensive boards, and pushing tempo. Gotta do the 1st 2 before you can go. That has been our strength in beating Wisconsin under Fran as well. Gotta board and go, because you don't want to have to grind against the packline defense all game long.

Good points. In the latest podcast, Tom K said that when the Hawks were playing well (early), the ball movement was really good. If our guys can keep the ball moving quickly like that, we may get more good looks for perimeter jumpers and not have to force shots. Also, teams seem to "feed" offensively from playing good defense. With us it seems to be just the opposite.