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Realism in me says we want Illannoy to beat Wisky to give ourselves a sizable cushion for the goal of winning the B1G West.

Optimism in me says we want Wisky to win to make our SOS look better in the case of the ultimate goal of a playoff push.

Think I still pull for ILL and NW this weekend to solidify the West, barring a collapse. If we win out things will take care of themselves but B1G champ game has to be the goal right now with 5 games left, win the next couple that'll change things.
 
Tough call.
I guess I'd slightly prefer illanoy winning for that increased cushion in the West.
If the Hawks win out, and win the B1G champ game, wisky losing one more game won't keep them out of the playoffs.
 
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Always a bit cautious of a team being sluggish after a bye week. Need to come out focused and jump on Maryland. Need to get to 8-0 first.
 
Illinois has the same number of losses as Wisconsin. Who knows, maybe a win over the Badgers and a few more victories for the Illini and they'll be considered a "quality win"
 
Forget appearances. I wouldn't want to "back into" a Big Ten Championship Playoff game with 2 losses. Look at our schedule - if we drop 1 vs. Nebraska and 1 more (Minny? Indiana?) that's going to tell me a lot about this team - good but not great, certainly not BCG worthy and certainly not playoff worthy. If Wisky wins out, and we go 3-2 to close out the year, just send us to the Holiday Bowl.

So I guess put my in the "Optimist" column. There's no upside to being a Realist.
 
JerryDennard said:
Forget appearances. I wouldn't want to "back into" a Big Ten Championship Playoff game with 2 losses. Look at our schedule - if we drop 1 vs. Nebraska and 1 more (Minny? Indiana?) that's going to tell me a lot about this team - good but not great, certainly not BCG worthy and certainly not playoff worthy. If Wisky wins out, and we go 3-2 to close out the year, just send us to the Holiday Bowl.

So I guess put my in the "Optimist" column. There's no upside to being a Realist.
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Agree..my fear is Illinois beating Wisconsin and we drop one (IND, MINN?) then NEBRASKA wins out..yes, beats MSU which I totally can see happening...we then go to NEBRASKA with the BIG 10 title on the line...JUST WIN BABY!
 
Wiskey winning out would probably see them back in the rankings.
A road win vs. a ranked team, does help.
 
whatsup13579er said:
National perception, like it or not, matters. Having a win over a 9-3 Wisconsin team will mean more to Iowa than a win over a 7-5 Illinois team.
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How about a road win over a 10-2 Wisconsin team? Their only two losses would be to Alabama at a neutral site and to Iowa in Madison. Thats the kind of win that will be needed to show the Rose Bowl committee that it should invite Iowa ahead of the second place B1G East team. (Assumes that Iowa and second place B1G East team both have only one loss after B1G championship game).
 
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The consensus opinion seems to be that Iowa has only one way to make the playoff: they need to win out.

I agree - I don't think a one loss Iowa team makes it to the playoff. Therefore, I don't see much point in cheering for Wisconsin.
 
I can't think logical about this having lived in Madison for a number of years....I want the Badgers to lose....at everything.
 
icantfindausernamethatisntused said:
The consensus opinion seems to be that Iowa has only one way to make the playoff: they need to win out.

I agree - I don't think a one loss Iowa team makes it to the playoff. Therefore, I don't see much point in cheering for Wisconsin.
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This.
Win = in, the schedule doesn't matter.
Lose = out, the schedule doesn't matter.
 
KuwaitHawk said:
Iowa could win out and still be team #5
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How many undefeated teams made last year's playoffs? Answer: one.

While it is highly unlikely that we go 12-0 and win the CCG, I would say it is even more unlikely that an undefeated, Big Ten champion Iowa would be left out of the playoff. JMO.
 
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If we're not gonna worry about if Iowa makes it to the playoff, then there's no reason to worry about Wisconsin, who is 1 game behind us.
 
KuwaitHawk said:
Iowa could win out and still be team #5
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Can we stop with this narrative yet?

3 times in the 15 years of the BCS were there three undefeated teams. None year featured four. Sure is possible an 13-0 Iowa gets left out? yep. Is it anything close to likely or even probable, given Delany and history? Oh heck no.
 
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I want Wisconsin and Nebraska to lose one more. I also think Illinois needs to lose one more as well. Those things happen, I think Iowa can go at least 3-2 down the stretch. If they do better, then so be it and let the chips fall where they may.
 
IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life said:
I want Wisconsin and Nebraska to lose one more. I also think Illinois needs to lose one more as well. Those things happen, I think Iowa can go at least 3-2 down the stretch. If they do better, then so be it and let the chips fall where they may.
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shocked you don't want everybody to lose so we can 0-5 and be OK
 
If your primary interest is getting Iowa to the B1G Championship, the perfect scenario over the next two weeks is:
Illinois beats Wisconsin
Northwestern beats Nebraska
Iowa beats Maryland
Penn State beats Illinois
Michigan beats Minnesota

That would give Illinois, Northwestern, and Wisconsin 2 losses, effectively a 3 game lead on them.
It would give Minnesota and Nebraska 3 losses each, a 3 game lead on each of them.
That would allow Iowa to go 2-2 in November, and it wouldn't matter who those 2 losses come against.
 
IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life said:
I want Wisconsin and Nebraska to lose one more. I also think Illinois needs to lose one more as well. Those things happen, I think Iowa can go at least 3-2 down the stretch. If they do better, then so be it and let the chips fall where they may.
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I just don't want Debbie needing a win to be bowl eligible vs Iowa
 
The realism is the Hawks need a healthy o-line and more than one person that doesn't suck in the secondary. Indiana could light Iowa up. Without the starting tackles, Iowa will lose 2-3 games. Greg Mabin better get even close to good to make this run. He's not right now. LaShun being healthy could be a detriment if Kirk thinks he's going to carry the load. Runs up the middle have been proven not to work. JB is not stopping people from loading the box either. He looks average so far, not enough of a passing threat without WRs that can get separation. Iowa has been lucky. Book it.
 
Wisconsin will win out after Illinois most likely. They'll finish in the top 25 even if they lose this weekend.
 
KuwaitHawk said:
Iowa could win out and still be team #5
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I disagree; but even if we accept that this is a possibility - would the winner of the Wisconsin/Illinois game have any effect on the outcome in this scenario?

As doubtful as it is that Iowa is left out of the playoff if they're 13-0, it's infinitely more doubtful that the outcome of a game against two teams we have already beat would be the difference between Iowa being in vs. being out of the playoff.

The only realistic way, that I see, of the Wisconsin/Illinois game impacting Iowa's season is if one of them wins out and Iowa loses two additional games. I think Wisconsin is much more likely to win out than Illinois, and therefore I would like to see Wisconsin win.
 
SansSouci said:
The realism is the Hawks need a healthy o-line and more than one person that doesn't suck in the secondary. Indiana could light Iowa up. Without the starting tackles, Iowa will lose 2-3 games. Greg Mabin better get even close to good to make this run. He's not right now. LaShun being healthy could be a detriment if Kirk thinks he's going to carry the load. Runs up the middle have been proven not to work. JB is not stopping people from loading the box either. He looks average so far, not enough of a passing threat without WRs that can get separation. Iowa has been lucky. Book it.
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Ah...sure. With all of those injuries we sure have been lucky. Yep you nailed it.
 
Packer54 said:
Ah...sure. With all of those injuries we sure have been lucky. Yep you nailed it.
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Eh, the next positive comment Sans makes about the Hawks will be his first. He's a troll, not a good one mind you, but none the less a troll.
 
SansSouci said:
The realism is the Hawks need a healthy o-line and more than one person that doesn't suck in the secondary. Indiana could light Iowa up. Without the starting tackles, Iowa will lose 2-3 games. Greg Mabin better get even close to good to make this run. He's not right now. LaShun being healthy could be a detriment if Kirk thinks he's going to carry the load. Runs up the middle have been proven not to work. JB is not stopping people from loading the box either. He looks average so far, not enough of a passing threat without WRs that can get separation. Iowa has been lucky. Book it.
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Ok, you're either a troll or just really stupid. I'm guessing both. 'Runs up the middle have been proven not work' is all I needed to read to come to my conclusion about you. Although you've given us many more examples of your trolling in the past. I'll give a chance to redeem yourself. Provide the 'proof' that it doesn't work.
 
No reason to root for Wisconsin. As I think has been stated enough, an undefeated Big Ten champion will not be left out of the final 4. The more cushion the better for Iowa to win the division and make it to the title game even if they drop a game along the way.
 
I really, really CANNOT believe we have fans dumb enough to think a 13-0 team from the B1G would be left out.
 
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