Reffing

[hooper56]

Most folks agree that refereeing needs improving. There is plenty of money so why doesn't the B1G hire their own officials so they are not independent contractors and work for the B1G year round. These officials would be assigned a yearly salary and work/training schedule. They would each be evaluated like any other employee and the worst ones would lose their jobs if they don't improve. (Just like in real life) They could be evaluated by B1G officials and coaches could have input. Pay them more than any other conference so we get the best officials. It is time to do this.

 

[BubsFinn]

The other two threads about Big Ten officiating weren't enough for you?

 

[navyrules]

Originally posted by hooper56:
Most folks agree that refereeing needs improving. There is plenty of money so why doesn't the B1G hire their own officials so they are not independent contractors and work for the B1G year round. These officials would be assigned a yearly salary and work/training schedule. They would each be evaluated like any other employee and the worst ones would lose their jobs if they don't improve. (Just like in real life) They could be evaluated by B1G officials and coaches could have input. Pay them more than any other conference so we get the best officials. It is time to do this.

Won't matter who you get or what you do, people will still gripe about officials.

 

[DanL53]

My thought is the Big Ten is already getting exactly what they want.

 

[soybean]

It doesn't help when the TV announcers give the refs a shout out for doing a wonderful jobs at the end of a game that was called very poorly IMHO. And Gus Johnson seems to be the worst in this regard. Ted Valentine is often pointed to by the announcers as being supberb when in fact he ruined the game.

 

[ABYPFCS]

Originally posted by navyrules:

Won't matter who you get or what you do, people will still gripe about officials.

This is pretty much it. Basketball is the most difficult sport to officiate and every game has complaints from both sides about the calls.

 

[hooper56]

Originally posted by BubsFinn:
The other two threads about Big Ten officiating weren't enough for you?

I liked those as well. thank you for reading this thread and I am glad I posted something that was of an obvious interest to you.

 

[El Simbolo]

B1G basketball has gone so far toward physical play it hard to come back to normal. The refs last night were cheered on TV for allowing physical contact so that the game had some flow and wasn't stopped by fouls all the time. Well, to get it back to actual enjoyable basketball with movement on offense and REAL flow the refs have to call the fouls, and until players and coaches adjust there will be some ugly games full of fouls. But they'll eventually adjust rather than having their players fouls out all the time. The short ugly adjustment period is the price we have to pay to get a more watchable game - if the conference were to be committed I'd be willing to pay that price but I think the league is scared of the adjustment period.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Originally posted by El Simbolo:
B1G basketball has gone so far toward physical play it's hard to come back to normal. (yuuuuuuuuup) The refs last night were cheered on TV for allowing physical contact so that the game had some flow and wasn't stopped by fouls all the time. Well, to get it back to actual enjoyable basketball with movement on offense and REAL flow the refs have to call the fouls, and until players and coaches adjust there will be some ugly games full of fouls. But they'll eventually adjust rather than having their players fouls out all the time. The short ugly adjustment period is the price we have to pay to get a more watchable game - if the conference were to be committed I'd be willing to pay that price but I think the league is scared of the adjustment period.

The biggest issue is the fact that the game is so much faster nowadays from a competitive standpoint. More and more teams are able to get athletes that can run and run and run, and to counter the inability to guard these faster athletes, coaches have had to turn to more aggressive defensive tactics (while trying to push the envelope as to what constitutes as legal contact from a defensive player).

That's also a reason why zone defenses are so much more prevalent, which in turn is one of the reasons why the 3-pt shot has taken over the game of basketball. In today's game, everyone has to shoot threes and show off their range instead of trying to actually work it inside. Why work it inside if you're just gonna get mugged, when you can make a couple extra passes and bomb threes on a team from anywhere on the court.

I understand the difficulty of officiating at this level given what refs have to deal with, but the issues for me are how they essentially concede that stuff is going to happen, rather than at least trying to enforce the rules of the game. When the officials stop trying....that's when people get pissed off. The errors in judgement are one thing, and yes we can get into another debate about reviewing plays/calls/etc, but lacking judgement period is another.

 

[soybean]

I know that I'm an old timer but I recall a time not that long ago when basketball was a no-contact sport. And it was called that way. Then the NBA began to allow "hand checking" and then an arms race began in college basketball and it gradually morphed into what we see today in the Big10.

 

[Buck.McCoy]

Originally posted by soybean:

I know that I'm an old timer but I recall a time not that long ago when basketball was a no-contact sport. And it was called that way. Then the NBA began to allow "hand checking" and then an arms race began in college basketball and it gradually morphed into what we see today in the Big10.

Thanks for the history lesson, grandpa.

 

[J_Heater]

I know Wisconsin and Michigan State fans that think the refs are always against them. So I think the refs must be doing something right because every team in the conference thinks the refs are working against them. Par for the course.

 

[twindman]

At least he saw the games back then. Have you? Shut up if you don't have any facts to talk about.

"Originally posted by soybean:

I know that I'm an old timer but I recall a time not that long ago when basketball was a no-contact sport. And it was called that way. Then the NBA began to allow "hand checking" and then an arms race began in college basketball and it gradually morphed into what we see today in the Big10.

Thanks for the history lesson, grandpa."
This post was edited on 3/6 8:55 AM by twindman

 

[illhawkdvv]

You call this person grand pa but keep in mind he's seen things you haven't. What goes around comes around. The kind of basketball that Iowa fans are screaming for right now was the rage at one time long ago. It nearly ruined the game as fan interest fell. Coaches like Bob Knight Dean Smith and John Wooden introduced defense back into the game along with half court basketball and the biggest era of college basketball was on us.

 

[downtown hawk redux]

Originally posted by Buck.McCoy:

Originally posted by soybean:

I know that I'm an old timer but I recall a time not that long ago when basketball was a no-contact sport. And it was called that way. Then the NBA began to allow "hand checking" and then an arms race began in college basketball and it gradually morphed into what we see today in the Big10.

Thanks for the history lesson, grandpa.

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it and in your case, it means remaining a dumbass forever.

 

[DanL53]

Originally posted by illhawkdvv:

You call this person grand pa but keep in mind he's seen things you haven't. What goes around comes around. The kind of basketball that Iowa fans are screaming for right now was the rage at one time long ago. It nearly ruined the game as fan interest fell. Coaches like Bob Knight Dean Smith and John Wooden introduced defense back into the game along with half court basketball and the biggest era of college basketball was on us.

Did the advent of cable television, including channels like ESPN, and lucrative television contracts have anything to do with it?

What years did Wooden coach? When were Bob Knight and Dean Smith hired?

What year did the NCAA expand to 64 teams? What year did the NCAA add the shot clock, the three point shot? Oh, and of course television timeouts?