ADVERTISEMENT

Religion of peace--seriously?

GOHOX69

HR Legend
Sep 26, 2009
20,706
28,296
113
I'm a liberal Democrat but check out this terrorist organization list. Can we truly say Islam isn't a violent religion?

1.Al-Shabab (Africa),
2.Al Murabitun (Africa),
3.Al-Qeada (Afghanistan),
4.Al-Qaeda (Islamic Maghreb),
5.Al-Qaeda (Indian Subcontinent),
6.Al-Qaeda (Arabian Peninsula),
7.Hamas (Palestine),
8.Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Palestine),
9.Popular Front for the Liberation of (Palestine),
10.Hezbola (Lebanon),
11.Ansar al-Sharia-Benghazi (Lebanon),
12.Asbat Al-Ansar (Lebanon),
13.ISIS (Iraq),
14.ISIS (Syria),
15.ISIS (Cauacus)
16.ISIS (Libya)
17.ISIS (Yemen)
18.ISIS (Algeria),
19.ISIS (Philippines)
20.Jund al-Sham (Afganistan),
21.Al-Mourabitoun (Lebanon),
22.Abdullah Azzam Brigades (Lebanon),
23.Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Somalia),
24.Al-Haramain Foundation (Saudi Arabia),
25.Ansar-Al-Sharia (Moroccon),
26.Moroccon Mudjadine (Morocco),
27.Salafia Jihadia (Morocco),
28.Boko Haram (Afrika),
29.Islamic movement of (Uzbekistan),
30.Islamic Jihad Union (Uzbekistan),
31.Islamic Jihad Union (Germany),
32.DRW True-Religion (Germany)
33.Fajar Nusantara Movement (Germany)
34.DIK Hildesheim (Germany)
35.Jaish-e-Mohammed (Kashmir),
36.Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar (Syria),
37.Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (Syria),
38.Jamaat al Dawa al Quran (Afghanistan),
39.Jundallah (Iran)
40.Quds Force (Iran)
41.Kata'ib Hezbollah (Iraq),
42.Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Somalia),
43.Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt),
44.Jund al-Sham (Jordan)
45.Fajar Nusantara Movement (Australia)
46.Society of the Revival of Islamic 47.Heritage (Terror funding, WorldWide offices)
48.Taliban (Afghanistan),
49.Taliban (Pakistan),
50.Tehrik-i-Taliban (Pakistan),
51.Army of Islam (Syria),
52.Islamic Movement (Israel)
53.Ansar Al Sharia (Tunisia),
54.Mujahideen Shura Council in the Environs of (Jerusalem),
55.Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (Libya),
Movement for Oneness and Jihad in (West Africa),
56.Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Palestine)
57.Tevhid-Selam (Al-Quds Army)
58.Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (Morroco),
59.Caucasus Emirate (Russia),
60.Dukhtaran-e-Millat Feminist Islamists (India),
61.Indian Mujahideen (India),
62.Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen (India)
63.Ansar al-Islam (India)
64.Students Islamic Movement of (India),
65.Harakat Mujahideen (India),
66.Hizbul Mujhaideen(India)
67.Lashkar e Islam(India)
68.Jund al-Khilafah (Algeria),
69.Turkistan Islamic Party,
70.Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt),
71.Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front (Turkey),
72.Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (Pakistan),
73.Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (Pakistan),
74.Lashkar e Toyiba(Pakistan)
75.Lashkar e Jhangvi(Pakistan)
Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (Pakistan),
76.Jamaat ul-Ahrar (Pakistan),
77.Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (Pakistan),
78.Jamaat Ul-Furquan (Pakistan),
79.Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (Syria),
80.Ansar al-Din Front (Syria),
81.Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (Syria),
82.Jamaah Anshorut Daulah (Syria),
83.Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement (Syria),
84.Liwa al-Haqq (Syria),
85.Al-Tawhid Brigade (Syria),
86.Jund al-Aqsa (Syria),
87.Al-Tawhid Brigade (Syria),
88.Yarmouk Martyrs Brigade (Syria),
89.Khalid ibn al-Walid Army (Syria),
90.Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin (Afganistan),
91.Jamaat-ul-Ahrar (Afganistan)
92.Hizb ut-Tahrir (Worldwide Caliphate),
93.Hizbul Mujahideen (Kasmir),
94.Ansar Allah (Yemen),
95.Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (USA),
96.Jamaat Mujahideen (India),
97.Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid (Indonesia),
98.Hizbut Tahrir (Indonesia),
99.Fajar Nusantara Movement (Indonesia),
100.Jemaah Islamiyah (Indonesia),
101.Jemaah Islamiyah (Philippines),
102.Jemaah Islamiyah (Singapore),
103.Jemaah Islamiyah (Thailand),
104.Jemaah Islamiyah (Malaysia),
105.Ansar Dine (Africa),
106.Osbat al-Ansar (Palestine),
107.Hizb ut-Tahrir (Group connecting 108.Islamic Caliphates across the world into one world Islamic Caliphate)
109.Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order (Iraq)
110.Al Nusra Front (Syria),
111.Al-Badr (Pakistan),
112.Islam4UK (UK),
113.Al Ghurabaa (UK),
114.Call to Submission (UK),
115.Islamic Path (UK),
116.London School of Sharia (UK),
117.Muslims Against Crusades (UK),
118.Need4Khilafah (UK),
119.The Shariah Project (UK),
120.The Islamic Dawah Association (UK),
121.The Saviour Sect (UK),
123.Jamaat Ul-Furquan (UK),
124.Minbar Ansar Deen (UK),
125.Al-Muhajiroun (UK) (Lee Rigby, London 2017 members),
126.Islamic Council of Britain (UK) (Not to be confused with Offical Muslim Council of Britain),
127.Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah (UK),
128.Al-Gama'a (Egypt),
129.Al-Islamiyya (Egypt),
130.Armed Islamic men of (Algeria),
131Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Algeria),
132.Ansaru (Algeria),
133.Ansar-Al-Sharia (Libya),
134.Al Ittihad Al Islamia (Somalia),
135.Ansar al-Sharia (Tunisia),
136.Al-Shabab (Africa),
137.al-Aqsa Foundation (Germany)
138.al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades (Palestine),
139.Abu Sayyaf (Philippines),
140.Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen),
141.Ajnad Misr (Egypt),
142Abu Nidal Organization (Palestine),
143.Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid (Indonesia)
 
viln3tt.jpg
 
Yep, this is one of a few issues I disagree with libs on.

While there may be some peaceful people who believe in Islam or practice the faith, too many are not.

Of course, Christianity and Judaism aren't peaceful either, if you go by the Old Testament at least. The difference is no Christian today is following genocide or the Mosaic Law, at least as far as stoning hookers and gays are concerned (despite there probably being some who'd like to return to that practice).

Regardless, unless you count the KKK or a few right-wing nut jobs as Christians, it's Islam that's the religion of violence today. And quite frankly, I'm sick of the libs who defend the religion like it's no different than other religions. Bullshit.
 
I'm a liberal Democrat but check out this terrorist organization list. Can we truly say Islam isn't a violent religion?

1.Al-Shabab (Africa),
2.Al Murabitun (Africa),
3.Al-Qeada (Afghanistan),
4.Al-Qaeda (Islamic Maghreb),
5.Al-Qaeda (Indian Subcontinent),
6.Al-Qaeda (Arabian Peninsula),
7.Hamas (Palestine),
8.Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Palestine),
9.Popular Front for the Liberation of (Palestine),
10.Hezbola (Lebanon),
11.Ansar al-Sharia-Benghazi (Lebanon),
12.Asbat Al-Ansar (Lebanon),
13.ISIS (Iraq),
14.ISIS (Syria),
15.ISIS (Cauacus)
16.ISIS (Libya)
17.ISIS (Yemen)
18.ISIS (Algeria),
19.ISIS (Philippines)
20.Jund al-Sham (Afganistan),
21.Al-Mourabitoun (Lebanon),
22.Abdullah Azzam Brigades (Lebanon),
23.Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Somalia),
24.Al-Haramain Foundation (Saudi Arabia),
25.Ansar-Al-Sharia (Moroccon),
26.Moroccon Mudjadine (Morocco),
27.Salafia Jihadia (Morocco),
28.Boko Haram (Afrika),
29.Islamic movement of (Uzbekistan),
30.Islamic Jihad Union (Uzbekistan),
31.Islamic Jihad Union (Germany),
32.DRW True-Religion (Germany)
33.Fajar Nusantara Movement (Germany)
34.DIK Hildesheim (Germany)
35.Jaish-e-Mohammed (Kashmir),
36.Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar (Syria),
37.Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (Syria),
38.Jamaat al Dawa al Quran (Afghanistan),
39.Jundallah (Iran)
40.Quds Force (Iran)
41.Kata'ib Hezbollah (Iraq),
42.Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Somalia),
43.Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt),
44.Jund al-Sham (Jordan)
45.Fajar Nusantara Movement (Australia)
46.Society of the Revival of Islamic 47.Heritage (Terror funding, WorldWide offices)
48.Taliban (Afghanistan),
49.Taliban (Pakistan),
50.Tehrik-i-Taliban (Pakistan),
51.Army of Islam (Syria),
52.Islamic Movement (Israel)
53.Ansar Al Sharia (Tunisia),
54.Mujahideen Shura Council in the Environs of (Jerusalem),
55.Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (Libya),
Movement for Oneness and Jihad in (West Africa),
56.Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Palestine)
57.Tevhid-Selam (Al-Quds Army)
58.Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (Morroco),
59.Caucasus Emirate (Russia),
60.Dukhtaran-e-Millat Feminist Islamists (India),
61.Indian Mujahideen (India),
62.Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen (India)
63.Ansar al-Islam (India)
64.Students Islamic Movement of (India),
65.Harakat Mujahideen (India),
66.Hizbul Mujhaideen(India)
67.Lashkar e Islam(India)
68.Jund al-Khilafah (Algeria),
69.Turkistan Islamic Party,
70.Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt),
71.Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front (Turkey),
72.Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (Pakistan),
73.Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (Pakistan),
74.Lashkar e Toyiba(Pakistan)
75.Lashkar e Jhangvi(Pakistan)
Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (Pakistan),
76.Jamaat ul-Ahrar (Pakistan),
77.Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (Pakistan),
78.Jamaat Ul-Furquan (Pakistan),
79.Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (Syria),
80.Ansar al-Din Front (Syria),
81.Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (Syria),
82.Jamaah Anshorut Daulah (Syria),
83.Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement (Syria),
84.Liwa al-Haqq (Syria),
85.Al-Tawhid Brigade (Syria),
86.Jund al-Aqsa (Syria),
87.Al-Tawhid Brigade (Syria),
88.Yarmouk Martyrs Brigade (Syria),
89.Khalid ibn al-Walid Army (Syria),
90.Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin (Afganistan),
91.Jamaat-ul-Ahrar (Afganistan)
92.Hizb ut-Tahrir (Worldwide Caliphate),
93.Hizbul Mujahideen (Kasmir),
94.Ansar Allah (Yemen),
95.Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (USA),
96.Jamaat Mujahideen (India),
97.Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid (Indonesia),
98.Hizbut Tahrir (Indonesia),
99.Fajar Nusantara Movement (Indonesia),
100.Jemaah Islamiyah (Indonesia),
101.Jemaah Islamiyah (Philippines),
102.Jemaah Islamiyah (Singapore),
103.Jemaah Islamiyah (Thailand),
104.Jemaah Islamiyah (Malaysia),
105.Ansar Dine (Africa),
106.Osbat al-Ansar (Palestine),
107.Hizb ut-Tahrir (Group connecting 108.Islamic Caliphates across the world into one world Islamic Caliphate)
109.Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order (Iraq)
110.Al Nusra Front (Syria),
111.Al-Badr (Pakistan),
112.Islam4UK (UK),
113.Al Ghurabaa (UK),
114.Call to Submission (UK),
115.Islamic Path (UK),
116.London School of Sharia (UK),
117.Muslims Against Crusades (UK),
118.Need4Khilafah (UK),
119.The Shariah Project (UK),
120.The Islamic Dawah Association (UK),
121.The Saviour Sect (UK),
123.Jamaat Ul-Furquan (UK),
124.Minbar Ansar Deen (UK),
125.Al-Muhajiroun (UK) (Lee Rigby, London 2017 members),
126.Islamic Council of Britain (UK) (Not to be confused with Offical Muslim Council of Britain),
127.Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah (UK),
128.Al-Gama'a (Egypt),
129.Al-Islamiyya (Egypt),
130.Armed Islamic men of (Algeria),
131Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Algeria),
132.Ansaru (Algeria),
133.Ansar-Al-Sharia (Libya),
134.Al Ittihad Al Islamia (Somalia),
135.Ansar al-Sharia (Tunisia),
136.Al-Shabab (Africa),
137.al-Aqsa Foundation (Germany)
138.al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades (Palestine),
139.Abu Sayyaf (Philippines),
140.Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen),
141.Ajnad Misr (Egypt),
142Abu Nidal Organization (Palestine),
143.Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid (Indonesia)

The religion that worships Satan, what would you expect. Allah is the greatest deceiver according to the Koran.
 
Yep, this is one of a few issues I disagree with libs on.

While there may be some peaceful people who believe in Islam or practice the faith, too many are not.

Of course, Christianity and Judaism aren't peaceful either, if you go by the Old Testament at least. The difference is no Christian today is following genocide or the Mosaic Law, at least as far as stoning hookers and gays are concerned (despite there probably being some who'd like to return to that practice).

Regardless, unless you count the KKK or a few right-wing nut jobs as Christians, it's Islam that's the religion of violence today. And quite frankly, I'm sick of the libs who defend the religion like it's no different than other religions. Bullshit.
There may be SOME? There are about 1.8 BILLION Muslims in the world. If they were all violent we’d be in real trouble. Try not to get tied up in the right wing hysteria- you’re more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist in this country than a Muslim one.
 
There may be SOME? There are about 1.8 BILLION Muslims in the world. If they were all violent we’d be in real trouble. Try not to get tied up in the right wing hysteria- you’re more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist in this country than a Muslim one.
I mean considering 1.1% of the US population is Muslim I’d say your stat there is rather skewed.
 
There may be SOME? There are about 1.8 BILLION Muslims in the world. If they were all violent we’d be in real trouble. Try not to get tied up in the right wing hysteria- you’re more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist in this country than a Muslim one.

I respectfully disagree.

You know how many of them sumbitches were out in the streets celebrating 9/11 after it happened? A lot.

You know how many of them we've killed in two decades? A lot.

You know how many more need to be killed? A lot.

This is one issue the Bible hits the nail on the head on. The sons of Ishmael will always be a thorn in the side of the world.
 
There may be SOME? There are about 1.8 BILLION Muslims in the world. If they were all violent we’d be in real trouble. Try not to get tied up in the right wing hysteria- you’re more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist in this country than a Muslim one.
Riiiight!
 
No world religion promises earthly peace and the
absence of physical war. Some world religions do
promote an inner spiritual peace for its members.
 
I respectfully disagree.

You know how many of them sumbitches were out in the streets celebrating 9/11 after it happened? A lot.

You know how many of them we've killed in two decades? A lot.

You know how many more need to be killed? A lot.

This is one issue the Bible hits the nail on the head on. The sons of Ishmael will always be a thorn in the side of the world.
Wait, are you one of those folks that believes trump when he says there were people celebrating in New Jersey?
If so, we can’t be besties.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rudolph
In this thread one group of religious zealots points the finger at another group of religious zealots.

Meanwhile the rest of us try to avoid getting killed by religious zealots of any variety.

I would say I'm ambivalent towards religion, although I do firmly believe in God.

Islam is a terrible religion and the greatest existential threat to world peace.
 
Wait, are you one of those folks that believes trump when he says there were people celebrating in New Jersey?
If so, we can’t be besties.

Lol. Nah, brah. But I do believe Trump when he says Frederick Douglass is doing terrific things.

I'm talking about the Middle East. I'm guessing most Muslims on the east coast where scared shitless to leave their homes.
 
There are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. Even if there are 1 million people in each of the 143 groups listed, that still under 8 percent. The only Bullshit I see is your ability to understand world religions.

Most Muslims believe in Sharia law and jihadi, if you're talking about the fundamentalists. People may identify with a religion but that doesn't mean they are serious or practice it. True adherents to Islam are not peaceful.

My understanding is just fine.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bulldogs1974
Yep, this is one of a few issues I disagree with libs on.

While there may be some peaceful people who believe in Islam or practice the faith, too many are not.

Of course, Christianity and Judaism aren't peaceful either, if you go by the Old Testament at least. The difference is no Christian today is following genocide or the Mosaic Law, at least as far as stoning hookers and gays are concerned (despite there probably being some who'd like to return to that practice).

Regardless, unless you count the KKK or a few right-wing nut jobs as Christians, it's Islam that's the religion of violence today. And quite frankly, I'm sick of the libs who defend the religion like it's no different than other religions. Bullshit.
There may be SOME? There are about 1.8 BILLION Muslims in the world. If they were all violent we’d be in real trouble. Try not to get tied up in the right wing hysteria- you’re more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist in this country than a Muslim one.

Well...their prophet was a war lord and much of the teachings in the Koran is of violence towards outsiders.

However we should expect violence to be embedded in most religions as religion is a man made construct and man is inherently riddled w violence.
 
Most Muslims believe in Sharia law and jihadi, if you're talking about the fundamentalists. People may identify with a religion but that doesn't mean they are serious or practice it. True adherents to Islam are not peaceful.

My understanding is just fine.

I respectfully submit that you are talking out your ass, and apparently have never met a Muslim in your life. Yes, the Koran is a terrible and violent book, as is the Bible. And yes, today there are more Muslims in the world using their terrible holy book to justify violence than any other religion.

But the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, normal people. And they are “true adherents” whether you want to dismiss that fact or not.
 
I respectfully submit that you are talking out your ass, and apparently have never met a Muslim in your life. Yes, the Koran is a terrible and violent book, as is the Bible. And yes, today there are more Muslims in the world using their terrible holy book to justify violence than any other religion.

But the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, normal people. And they are “true adherents” whether you want to dismiss that fact or not.
People who believe like he does have never been anywhere where Muslims are the majority. 99.9% of Muslims have the same value system as the rest of the world.
 
There are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. Even if there are 1 million people in each of the 143 groups listed, that still under 8 percent. The only Bullshit I see is your ability to understand world religions.

8 percent would be 144 million radicals under your scenario. That is a big problem. I'd wager its more in the 10-25 percent range. I may even be low.
 
What exactly do you want to do about it?

Most of the gang members in this country are black and Mexican. We’re working on Mexicans - should we move to blacks next?

Terrorists are the enemy. A focus on a religion that a billion people peacefully support is just a distraction.

What was the point of this thread?
 
I respectfully disagree.

You know how many of them sumbitches were out in the streets celebrating 9/11 after it happened? A lot.

You know how many of them we've killed in two decades? A lot.

You know how many more need to be killed? A lot.

This is one issue the Bible hits the nail on the head on. The sons of Ishmael will always be a thorn in the side of the world.

Not that I'm defending what they did but I also have an understanding the violence begets violence.

You see Americans being blown up on TV and they see this. They don't show those pictures on American TV.

images


All I'm saying is there are some darn good reasons that people in the middle east don't exactly see us as the good guys or "innocent victims".

The war on terrorism will never end because we keep creating more terrorists.

Listen I'll be honest, if those were my three kids, taking a visit to America and strapping a bomb on myself wouldn't seem like such a terrible idea. I would hope I would avoid that temptation, but you don't exactly think straight when your kids are murdered by a drone with an American flag on the wing.
 
Last edited:
Not that I'm defending what they did but I also have an understanding the violence begets violence.

You see Americans being blown up on TV and they see this. They don't show those pictures on American TV.

images


All I'm saying is there are some darn good reasons that people in the middle east don't exactly see us as the good guys or "innocent victims".
And they have demagogue leaders telling them incessantly that their enemy is "the other" and lumping people with widely disparate beliefs and values into one group. That sounds familiar.
 
What exactly do you want to do about it?

Most of the gang members in this country are black and Mexican. We’re working on Mexicans - should we move to blacks next?

Terrorists are the enemy. A focus on a religion that a billion people peacefully support is just a distraction.

What was the point of this thread?

So when investigating serial killers investigators shouldn’t focus in on white males regardless if white males have been shown to be overwhelmingly white males?
 
And they have demagogue leaders telling them incessantly that their enemy is "the other" and lumping people with widely disparate beliefs and values into one group. That sounds familiar.

True, but as a dad I look at those pictures and I see some damn good motivation to kill Americans. If it were me, I would certainly consider it.

And if those were my three kids, I'm not joking it could very easily drive both my wife and I to visiting America and strapping some bombs on ourselves. The only thing that might stop me is knowing that the people I would be blowing up probably were not directly involved in it. But that sort of thought doesn't exactly cross one's mind when you are emotional.
 
Most Muslims believe in Sharia law and jihadi, if you're talking about the fundamentalists. People may identify with a religion but that doesn't mean they are serious or practice it. True adherents to Islam are not peaceful.

My understanding is just fine.

I respectfully submit that you are talking out your ass, and apparently have never met a Muslim in your life. Yes, the Koran is a terrible and violent book, as is the Bible. And yes, today there are more Muslims in the world using their terrible holy book to justify violence than any other religion.

But the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, normal people. And they are “true adherents” whether you want to dismiss that fact or not.

Still doesn’t mean religion is a silly man made
construct used to control people and accumulate wealth and authority over others.
 
While there may be some peaceful people who believe in Islam or practice the faith, too many are not.
While superficially it would be easy to agree with you when looking at that list, when I take a deeper look, I disagree. How FREAKING EASY would it be for Muslims in the U.S. to drive vehicles through crowds, get a semi-automatic weapon and start picking off people at an outdoor concert, etc... It just doesn't happen all that often.
 
ADVERTISEMENT