Yeah.... the DM police dept released the body cam and it didn’t quite happen that way. The cop was extremely professional and the other guy not so much.
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I think his point was that he was deemed suspicious by the person who called police solely because of race and he was making the point that the cop should conclude the same and drop the matter. While I am sure his race was the why the police was called in the first place once there the cop has a job to do the the guy was a prick. It would seem intentionally so and that this was premeditated. How people really know the legal definition of solicitation in the heat of the moment?So hes calling the cop racist, but then he says the cop is suspicious because hes white.
Am I missing something here or isn't that racist?
I think his point was that he was deemed suspicious by the person who called police solely because of race and he was making the point that the cop should conclude the same and drop the matter. While I am sure his race was the why the police was called in the first place once there the cop has a job to do the the guy was a prick. It would seem intentionally so and that this was premeditated. How people really know the legal definition of solicitation in the heat of the moment?
Only if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that he's committed a crime. The police can not legally detain you - even to ask your name - absent that qualification. That's the law.The guy does need to ID himself when asked....
West Des Moines, West Des Moines.Yeah.... the DM police dept released the body cam and it didn’t quite happen that way. The cop was extremely professional and the other guy not so much.
If that's the case, the LEO played right along. Maybe he's getting a cut?I was suspicious when they said it was a black guy from Louisiana and he was working for the David Young campaign. Maybe they weren't paying him enough and he saw this as a bigger payday.
You seem pretty certain about this, I’m wondering what facts you have to come to this conclusion.The guy did absolutely nothing to create a reasonable suspicion that he was engaged in criminal activity.
Does the officer make any of those claims while attempting to detain him?You seem pretty certain about this, I’m wondering what facts you have to come to this conclusion.
Maybe he was just knocking on people’s doors. Maybe he was looking in windows to see if people were home. Maybe he was forceful. Maybe he was taking pictures of homes.
Was the officer the one who called in a suspicious person?Does the officer make any of those claims while attempting to detain him?You seem pretty certain about this, I’m wondering what facts you have to come to this conclusion.
Maybe he was just knocking on people’s doors. Maybe he was looking in windows to see if people were home. Maybe he was forceful. Maybe he was taking pictures of homes.
You can't detain someone because someone called in a "suspicious person". This isn't difficult. The officer HAS to have reasonable suspicion that THIS person has been involved in criminal activity. So what's the crime? Please answer that.Was the officer the one who called in a suspicious person?
1) I’m not arguing that, I was saying he was doing his job and investigating a report and the other guy was being a DBag.You can't detain someone because someone called in a "suspicious person". This isn't difficult. The officer HAS to have reasonable suspicion that THIS person has been involved in criminal activity. So what's the crime? Please answer that.Was the officer the one who called in a suspicious person?
Only racist if a white male does it.So hes calling the cop racist, but then he says the cop is suspicious because hes white.
Am I missing something here or isn't that racist?
The guy did absolutely nothing to create a reasonable suspicion that he was engaged in criminal activity. He has every right to proceed about his business.
I'd love to hear the citizen 911 calls.
911 - "Please help, there is a negro walking around near my house."
Operator - "Take deep breaths - calm down. We'll send a unit out. Lock your doors."
You can't detain someone for being a d-bag.1) I’m not arguing that, I was saying he was doing his job and investigating a report and the other guy was being a DBag.
2) If the cop really wanted to be a dick he could have arrested him for making a threat when he said he works for people who would get all over him.
That's the Supreme Court telling you that the officer was wrong.The person approached, however, need not answer any question put to him; indeed, he may decline to listen to the questions at all and may go on his way. He may not be detained even momentarily without reasonable, objective grounds for doing so; and his refusal to listen or answer does not, without more, furnish those grounds.
They wanted to piss you off they know everything is about you.I saw this a day after it was on the local news...The WDM Police released their vest cams of the incident. The guy does need to ID himself when asked....,Still, the police could have used a different tact when they approached him initially.......My question now is why didnt the WDM Police release this vest cam last week whhen the shit hit the fan...a lot of the hullabaloo would have been avoided....And in theory, these types of things are exactly why Police are going to these vest cams....
Next time you need a cop call Mr. Hill.Watching the body cam footage - it really doesn't do the WDM PD any favors. Mr. Hill was perfectly within his rights to walk away from the encounter and it's not a close call. And he was, in fact, quite polite up to that point. He specifically asks if he's broken any laws and gets no response beyond, "You're a suspicious person". That doesn't rise anywhere close to the level required for reasonable suspicion - it must be based on "specific and articulable facts". The officer has no grounds for a detention and Mr Hill doesn't have to respond to the officer in any way. He is free to go.
My question now is why didnt the WDM Police release this vest cam last week whhen the shit hit the fan..
What evidence does he have that Mr. Hill was soliciting? A phone call does not provide specific, articulable facts for reasonable suspicion. The officer would have to observe something to lead him to reasonably believe that Mr. Hill was soliciting business.Did the officer not say that there is a non-solicitation ordinance?
Is it not reasonable that the officer gather the person's name in case it has been an issue before or there after.
Why is a black guy from Louisiana campaigning door to door in West Des Moines for a middle aged white republican from Van Meter?,... this whole thing seems odd.
Handing out fliers is solicitation. If there is an ordinance against that, he could certainly be detained.So if the guy would have just said he was handing out flyers for political reasons , wouldn’t the encounter been over
It doesn’t always benefit a person to be a dick. I have seen the same situation with all races
I'm pretty sure he said he was in the video. He just didn't understand that political fliers is soliciting. The officer should have made that clear but didn't.What evidence does he have that Mr. Hill was soliciting? A phone call does not provide specific, articulable facts for reasonable suspicion. The officer would have to observe something to lead him to reasonably believe that Mr. Hill was soliciting business.
I'm not sure what the problem here is. Does the right suddenly want a country where the police can stop you for no reason at all and demand that you answer questions? You'll have to run that past the Supreme Court...you might get a sympathetic ear now.
LOL...so no black person can possibly support a middle-aged white Republican? FTR, he works for a company that was hired to pass out literature. I have no idea if he supports the candidate or not. And for the record, I found a snippet of one of the calls that was made to police...“It is very weird because it is warm and he’s wearing a coat and hat". It was 67...Hill is from Baton Rouge. That's winter weather there.Why is a black guy from Louisiana campaigning door to door in West Des Moines for a middle aged white republican from Van Meter?,... this whole thing seems odd.
Actually, he specifically said he wasn't soliciting. Distributing political fliers is most certainly NOT soliciting. Neither is religious proselytizing. Neither is political activism. These folks can knock on your door and engage you and you're free to close the door in their faces...but the SC says all of that is free speech.I'm pretty sure he said he was in the video. He just didn't understand that political fliers is soliciting. The officer should have made that clear but didn't.
I'm not sure what the problem here is. Does the right suddenly want a country where the police can stop you for no reason at all and demand that you answer questions?
Now you're just making shit up. You really think the only time a cop can question a suspect is when they personally observe the suspected action? Lol.The officer would have to observe something to lead him to reasonably believe that Mr. Hill was soliciting business.
I forgot. You guys don't understand how rule of law works. There is a legal process they must adhere to.I saw this a day after it was on the local news...The WDM Police released their vest cams of the incident. The guy does need to ID himself when asked....,Still, the police could have used a different tact when they approached him initially.......My question now is why didnt the WDM Police release this vest cam last week whhen the shit hit the fan...a lot of the hullabaloo would have been avoided....And in theory, these types of things are exactly why Police are going to these vest cams....
So if the guy would have just said he was handing out flyers for political reasons , wouldn’t the encounter been over
It doesn’t always benefit a person to be a dick. I have seen the same situation with all races
So....there are a lot of elderly racist that live in WDM is the only real conclusion you can draw from that...Lots of folks using night lights, as it were.....Their "concern" placed their police department and City in an embarrassing situation.The Police had a reason,... multiple complaints from local citizens over a period of two days...