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Republican Congresswoman provides the definition of a woman. (It's worse than you think)

1. I wasn’t trying to provide a dictionary answer.

2. My one and only point is there is no need to make this complicated. It’s not.
talk about taking your ball and going home!
You read hundreds of stupid posts a day on here but you can't spend 30 seconds actually getting educated on the topic because you know it will hurt your position. You're literally covering your ears so that you don't hear things that upset your world view. No wonder you're "right leaning."
 
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Covering you ears again.


Sex is determined through an examination of the sexually dimorphic features of skeletal size and shape. Differences between male and female skeletons arise from the interplay between genetics, hormonal variation, culture and environment. For individuals who have completed skeletal maturity, sex determination of skeletal remains is considered to be reliable. It is important to note, however, that skeletal features are not polarised in terms of sexual dimorphism – the skeletons can’t always be placed into two neat categories. Instead, the traits relevant for sex determination exist on a spectrum from very feminine to intermediate to very masculine. As a consequence, five categories of sex determination are generally used in anthropological analysis as follows:
  • Female
  • Probable Female
  • Intermediate
  • Probable Male
  • Male
 
MTG is a fugging idiot, for sure, but it absolutely astounds me we’re at a place in society where some adults don’t feel comfortable offering a simple definition of what a woman is.

Unbelievable.

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talk about taking your ball and going home!
You read hundreds of stupid posts a day on here but you can't spend 30 seconds actually getting educated on the topic because you know it will hurt your position. You're literally covering your ears so that you don't hear things that upset your world view. No wonder you're "right leaning."
No.

I’ve clearly stated I understand nuance when it comes to defining a woman if gender is included in the definition of the term. The biology, however, is settled science.

And I didn’t read through the tweets for the same reason I immediately deposit literature from Jehovah’s witnesses in the trash.

But, yes, we get it, Belem. Us mere mortals will never reach the zenith of knowledge and prodigious insight you and Team Libturd ascended to eons ago. We appreciate your sincere efforts, though, in trying to elevate us so we, too, can one day see the light. 😆

Carry on.
 
No.

I’ve clearly stated I understand nuance when it comes to defining a woman if gender is included in the definition of the term. The biology, however, is settled science.

And I didn’t read through the tweets for the same reason I immediately deposit literature from Jehovah’s witnesses in the trash.

But, yes, we get it, Belem. Us mere mortals will never reach the zenith of knowledge and prodigious insight you and Team Libturd ascended to eons ago. We appreciate your sincere efforts, though, in trying to elevate us so we, too, can one day see the light. 😆

Carry on.

It's amazing that I went to college 2000 to 2004 and in all my experiences with all of my PH.D. holding professors from those with degrees in the sciences, to engineering to business, none of them ever had any difficulty identifying a singe particular student as male or female.

And they didn't even have to inspect our genitals.

But now less than 20 years later we have people claiming that one can not clearly define what a woman or a man is even when it comes to sex and not gender. (Which I think that separating them is a bit of a crock, it's a recent invention that has no tradition in our English language.)
 
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No.

I’ve clearly stated I understand nuance when it comes to defining a woman if gender is included in the definition of the term. The biology, however, is settled science.

And I didn’t read through the tweets for the same reason I immediately deposit literature from Jehovah’s witnesses in the trash.

But, yes, we get it, Belem. Us mere mortals will never reach the zenith of knowledge and prodigious insight you and Team Libturd ascended to eons ago. We appreciate your sincere efforts, though, in trying to elevate us so we, too, can one day see the light. 😆

Carry on.
So....you believe biologists aren't qualified to speak on biology? You know the 'settled science' and they don't? That's amazing. They wasted all that time in school when they could have just done what you did - inherited a set of prejudices and accepted them as fact.
You sure you're not a trumper? You sure talk like one.
 
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It's amazing that I went to college 2000 to 2004 and in all my experiences with all of my PH.D. holding professors from those with degrees in the sciences, to engineering to business, none of them ever had any difficulty identifying a singe particular student as male or female.

And they didn't even have to inspect our genitals.

But now less than 20 years later we have people claiming that one can not clearly define what a woman or a man is even when it comes to sex and not gender. (Which I think that separating them is a bit of a crock, it's a recent invention that has no tradition in our English language.)
You now speak for all your professors? You know that none of them ever had any trouble identifying the sex and gender of their students? Wow, that's impressive. Both in their ability to know everyone's sex and gender without discussing it with them or any testing, but that that they all trusted you with this knowledge.
 
So....you believe biologists aren't qualified to speak on biology? You know the 'settled science' and they don't? That's amazing. They wasted all that time in school when they could have just done what you did - inherited a set of prejudices and accepted them as fact.
You sure you're not a trumper? You sure talk like one.
Belem, it is possible you might be more anal retentive and a bigger dumbass than the worst MAGAt. Congratulations. That’s quite an accomplishment.

Good day to you, ma’am/sir.
 
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Belem, it is possible you might be more anal retentive and a bigger dumbass than the worst MAGAt. Congratulations. That’s quite an accomplishment.

Good day to you, ma’am/sir.
You sure you don't want to leave your ball so the rest of us can keep playing? No, just insult and run away with it? Typical MAGA behavior.
 
You now speak for all your professors? You know that none of them ever had any trouble identifying the sex and gender of their students? Wow, that's impressive. Both in their ability to know everyone's sex and gender without discussing it with them or any testing, but that that they all trusted you with this knowledge.

In every experience I had in class they used everyone's correct pro-nouns and no one corrected them on their pro-noun usage.

In fact one time we had a class separate between males and females and there was no difficulty with that what so ever. I was never shocked by having a person that I considered to be female to be part of the male side or vice versa.

But I'm sure your correct that we should just ask everyone if their sex is male or female and if their gender is male or female because we can't really tell can we? It's completely impossible. No way one could guess those things with better than a 50/50 accuracy.
 
In every experience I had in class they used everyone's correct pro-nouns and no one corrected them on their pro-noun usage.

In fact one time we had a class separate between males and females and there was no difficulty with that what so ever. I was never shocked by having a person that I considered to be female to be part of the male side or vice versa.

But I'm sure your correct that we should just ask everyone if their sex is male or female and if their gender is male or female because we can't really tell can we? It's completely impossible. No way one could guess those things with better than a 50/50 accuracy.
That all depends on which definition you're using. Which you would know if you bothered to read the tweets. But like BnG, you're afraid of anything that challenges your worldview.
 
Why are you immediately labeled a knuckle dragging magat, if you think there is an easy biological answer to what is a woman?
Because if you don't agree on everything with leftists, you are obviously a magat.

And if you don't agree on everything with conservatives, you are obviously a liberal do gooder.

That's how politics works. There is no compromise or room for moderates.
 
Why are you immediately labeled a knuckle dragging magat, if you think there is an easy biological answer to what is a woman?
Is that what I accused him of? I believe that I said he acted like a MAGA by refusing to read the attached information and instead resulted to insults and then ran away.
 
That all depends on which definition you're using. Which you would know if you bothered to read the tweets. But like BnG, you're afraid of anything that challenges your worldview.

No I think trying to obfuscate over rare instances is silly when 99.9% of people you run into you can tell if they are male or female just by looking at them.

It's a stupid obfuscation in order to legitimize the idea that someone can simply decide they are something other than what they are or even worse decide that they are something else entirely that we never even heard of prior to like 5 years ago. Like a ze, whatever the hell that is.
 
It's funny.

Repubs are science deniers for denying climate change. Dems are science deniers for denying for 99+% of the human population, there are 2 genders.

They both hate science.
Annnnnnnnd....another person who commented without reading the linked information by the actual specialist in the field.
But you tell us again how biologists hate science because it doesn't correspond with what you learned in the 3rd grade.
 
No I think trying to obfuscate over rare instances is silly when 99.9% of people you run into you can tell if they are male or female just by looking at them.

It's a stupid obfuscation in order to legitimize the idea that someone can simply decide they are something other than what they are or even worse decide that they are something else entirely that we never even heard of prior to like 5 years ago. Like a ze, whatever the hell that is.
Who is demanding strict definitions of the terms? No me. Not those on the left. It's you people. And then you get all butt hurt when the science shows that the world is not black and white - because that's not how nature works.
 
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Why are you immediately labeled a knuckle dragging magat, if you think there is an easy biological answer to what is a woman?
I mean, given my history of talking up Trump and the “Trump chumps,” Belem absolutely nailed my status as a true MAGAt because I have the audacity to believe science has settled basic human biology. He’s a such a card, that Belem. Golly gee whiz. 😊
 
I mean, given my history of talking up Trump and the “Trump chumps,” Belem absolutely nailed my status as a true MAGAt because I have the audacity to believe science has settled basic human biology. He’s a such a card, that Belem. Golly gee whiz. 😊
lol you claim you believe that yet you're afraid to read what actual biologists say on the matter.
Have you ever wondered just what is the root of your cowardice? You seem like you've done a lot of self-reflecting over the past couple years on things. Maybe this is another topic for you to consider relinquishing your religious dogma on and actually reading.
 
No.

I’ve clearly stated I understand nuance when it comes to defining a woman if gender is included in the definition of the term. The biology, however, is settled science.

And I didn’t read through the tweets for the same reason I immediately deposit literature from Jehovah’s witnesses in the trash.

But, yes, we get it, Belem. Us mere mortals will never reach the zenith of knowledge and prodigious insight you and Team Libturd ascended to eons ago. We appreciate your sincere efforts, though, in trying to elevate us so we, too, can one day see the light. 😆

Carry on.
You're distorting what people are saying. For 80-90% of the population there's no real issue with identifying what sex they are. That's now normative curves work. 80% of the people generally fall within just one or two standard deviation where they feel comfortable with the definition of female, they're attracted to the opposite sex, they fall within societies cultural norms on what those mean with no real issue. I've never had any problem identifying myself as male. I don't fall into every category of male that some people demand, but I'm a male, I'm attracted to women, I'm a Father, a Husband, my pronouns are He/His/Him and no issue at all.

Unfortunately there's a lot more complexity to it. Some people say that it's chromosomes but there are people who's chromosomes don't match their sex organs, there are people who are born with more than one sex organ, there are people who's brains are functionally female while the rest of their body looks like male or vice versa. Those people fall on the outskirts of what it means to be a male/female and it's not as clear for them.

So yes, for 80-90 % of people, I have no issue with identifying them as male or female. In the past we simply told those who fell outside the spectrum that they had to fall inline and so they lived what felt wrong and broken because society demanded it. But how do you define people who have traits outside of your narrow vision of what it means to be male/female? People just like to ignore those and pretend they don't exist or worse yet, call them some type of broken perversion/mutation.

Those are the people I'm speaking about and it's not clear. Yes, some people simply have gender dysphoria that may all be in their heads; that's why anyone dealing with this should have a good therapist to help them work through everything, but the more we learn about science, the more we learn that nothing in nature is ever as simple as we like to say it is. Things are crazy and all over the place, and the same applies to human sexuality/gender. It's just that some of us aren't comfortable with it, and so we want to deny it.

To me the harder question is how you handle those situations. When it comes to things like what we do when we find out someone falls outside those "normal" situations, how do we treat them, how do we handle academics, etc...? In that I don't know. Those were all setup with the idea of a binary that we're starting to learn isn't as clear for a small percentage of the population.

But you don't want to talk about those because you just learned about it from some tweets from actual scientists (As if it isn't valid since they tweeted it), or because it's clear to you when someone is male/female.
 
Is that what I accused him of? I believe that I said he acted like a MAGA by refusing to read the attached information and instead resulted to insults and then ran away.
I wasn’t directing that at you, sorry. I do mean it generally, and not all left/right behave in one predictable way.

specific to this topic, the general ‘feel’ I get is if you’re not open to numerous biological (not gender) identities, you’re a closed minded idiot.
 
I mean, given my history of talking up Trump and the “Trump chumps,” Belem absolutely nailed my status as a true MAGAt because I have the audacity to believe science has settled basic human biology. He’s a such a card, that Belem. Golly gee whiz. 😊
except scientists are literally telling us that they haven't. But yeah, believe what you want about science. How dare we point out facts.
 
From Belem's link:

A note on transgender, transsexual and intersex

Last time the course ran we had a lot of questions regarding transgender, transsexual and intersex individuals. This course has cited and discussed methods that enforce the assumed biological sex binary (male and female). Please note that biological sex is complicated and is not as clear cut as what has been previously described as ‘male’ and ‘female’. The forensic community has started to adapt and there is a need to review methods to be more inclusive and representative of the population. This is an ongoing process and may take years to redefine what is seen as biological sex and the research behind estimating biological sex in forensics.

Let me interpret this for you:

We realize that the actual testable, repeatable science differs from the narrative so we'll work real hard and eventually to make sure that the future "science" conforms to the narrative or we'll keep at it until it does.
 
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Furthermore, it is messy because scientists haven't nailed down anything yet. If they had it would be easy, but we're in the early days of truly starting to even try to have a firm grasp of what's going on. We've learned enough to know that our prior view of the world where gender is a settled binary isn't accurate, much of the science is showing that it exists on a much larger spectrum of some sort but we don't yet know enough on how to pinpoint it, understand what causes the differences too far, etc... There's a ton at play involving dna, brain chemistry, chromosomes, etc... We've essentially invented our first telescopes and are just starting to look at the night sky and realizing that our idea that the sun rotates around the Earth is wrong; but we don't yet know exactly how it all works together.

So yes, some people are taking unsettled science and running in both directions to extremes where they want to deny any of the changes and try to destroy those who call for us to be more open... And those who have felt oppressed for a long time are finally seeing a light and running with the unsettled science and claiming it's settled, creating all types of terminology, creating all types of demands of changes to the system, etc...

I get why it's confusing to so many people and why people are reacting in multiple ways to it. I'm just asking that we be open to where the studies take us over the next decade, to respect people who feel they're finally being seen and understand why they're being so loud about it, and trust that we will get to a point where it is more settled. I don't know that we'll ever "Nail" it down because that's not how science works, but I think over the next 10 years or so we'll learn a lot more.
 
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