And the role of SCOTUS is delegitimized as a nonpartisan entity.The President of the United States gets to fill Supreme Court justices as they come open. One is currently open so it is his responsibility to appoint a replacement.
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And the role of SCOTUS is delegitimized as a nonpartisan entity.The President of the United States gets to fill Supreme Court justices as they come open. One is currently open so it is his responsibility to appoint a replacement.
that was differentAgain, did you sleep through 2016?
McConnell made it clear that in a presidential election year an open SCOTUS seat should not be filled until AFTER the election. If that’s the precedent, why not follow that now?The mental gymnastics being done by many on both sides of this is so typical of where we are as a society.
I don't really gaf if it's filled or not. Where's that option? Life will go on for us all either way.
The fact dems tried putting up garland in 2016, and up until 24 hrs ago believed he should have been nominated and it was a great travesty he wasn't, means they don't have high ground in this argument either.
I don't really gaf if it's filled or not. Where's that option? Life will go on for us all either way.
Fear mongering at its finest... the court isn't going to reverse decisions on marriage or abortion at this point. Don't be dramatic.With all due respect, you have a privilege not everyone else has in not giving AF. There are gay people sweating about whether their marriages will still be recognized. Women wondering if they’ll be able to get an abortion if they need one. People with pre-existing conditions wondering if they’ll still be able to get coverage. People with children wondering if they’ll grow up in a barely habitable hellhole once a corporate right wing court allows big businesses to pollute at will.
Many people have a stake in this pick, whether you think you do or not.
Sure makes sense. Follow it, fine by me. What was the dems screaming from the rooftops position on the issue in 2016? I'm not going to dig but what was your personal argument on it then?McConnell made it clear that in a presidential election year an open SCOTUS seat should not be filled until AFTER the election. If that’s the precedent, why not follow that now?
Fear mongering at its finest... the court isn't going to reverse decisions on marriage or abortion at this point. Don't be dramatic.
Okay? And millions think this will be the end of society just like the last big crisis. This is what we get for giving DC the power they have over our lives. Especially when we abandon basic right and wrong principles to defend our team's current positions. Enough of the hypocrisy.There are mega churches packed with people who think you’re wrong.
I admittedly didn't read this entire post the first time. Did you type this with a straight face?People with children wondering if they’ll grow up in a barely habitable hellhole once a corporate right wing court allows big businesses to pollute at will.
Very well stated sir as both sides have the proverbial "blood on their hands" in these matters. As a lifelong Democrat I will state that Bork should have been confirmed with some reservations. The all out assault upon him was wrongheaded and only served to drive the Republicans further to the right and increase the divide.Part of the problem is that the Senate has allowed itself to become more like the House, which is to say, more partisan and lacking in decorum. The Framers gave Senators 6 year terms to avoid this type of thing. It went off the rails year ago. My best guess is it probably started with the Bork hearings. Prior to that, most SCOTUS nominees were confirmed by large bipartisan majorities.
A new nomination and Senate vote would be legal, sure. I'm just not sure that the GOP should do it. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do it.
It's a tough call. Politicians always try to take advantage in the here and now, not realizing that history takes a long time. The political winds change constantly.
Maybe we need a gesture of decorum from the GOP so close to the election. I'm just not sure the democrats would reciprocate, given the radical state of that party right now.
Romney is one of a dwindling number of Republicans who are more concerned with what’s best for America than what’s best for Trump. And I know that for that reason you consider him a RINO. So go ahead and file me under RINO as well. And if Republicans forge ahead with plans to fill RBG’s seat before the election I won’t even be one in name.Of course you appreciate it. TJ doing his best Mitt Romney impersonation and it serves you well.
I admittedly didn't read this entire post the first time. Did you type this with a straight face?
I was fine with it being left open since Biden had brought it up back in, can’t recall the year. But, use precedence.Sure makes sense. Follow it, fine by me. What was the dems screaming from the rooftops position on the issue in 2016? I'm not going to dig but what was your personal argument on it then?
Her wish was to wait until after the election to replace her, you dumbshit!
She understood the legacy of the Supreme Court. An appointment by Trump at this point delegitimizes the integrity of the system. But, par for the course for Trump. It’s always been his goal ruin the country if it means personal gain for him.Yeah so Trump wouldn’t be on office. It’s no secret how she felt about him.
McConnell made it clear that in a presidential election year an open SCOTUS seat should not be filled until AFTER the election. If that’s the precedent, why not follow that now?
Won’t/can’t happen. If the Dems want to lose the house, senate and presidency, then they should by all means try it.go ahead and ram an pick thru... when Dems take control the SC gets expanded so that your 6-3 majority is now 7-6 minority. Just where it should be if Mitch didn't make shit up in 2016.
You, I believe. 99% of others on the left AND right are complete hypocrites on this issue and should stfu.I was fine with it being left open since Biden had brought it up back in, can’t recall the year. But, use precedence.
The mental gymnastics being done by many on both sides of this is so typical of where we are as a society.
I don't really gaf if it's filled or not. Where's that option? Life will go on for us all either way.
The fact dems tried putting up garland in 2016, and up until 24 hrs ago believed he should have been nominated and it was a great travesty he wasn't, means they don't have high ground in this argument either.
Nope, what I'm saying is the majority on both sides have no right to really be pissed since they're all fuxking hypocrites. Up until the day she died, dems were pissed they didn't get a chance to confirm garland in an election year. Now here we are, and they're arguing for the same thing they were opposed to not all that long ago. And the shit for brains Rs are doing the exact same thing. National politics is a fricking cesspool that represent the worst of us, not the best.They lost that argument and are now asking the GOP to handle it the same way they did last time.
You are suggesting a Dem President should never get a nominee in his final year, and a GOP president should always get a nominee to their last day.
That’s ridiculous.
In 2016 the law allowed McConnell to not proceed. The law gives the senate that power. The law is being followed in both instances. You can’t dispute that.
Face it TJ, you’ve always been politically feckless. You kind of remind me of the scene in The Outlaw Josie Wales. The ferry operator whistles the Battle Hymn of the Republic one minute and then whistles Dixie the next.
The fair question for Democrats is:
If the Dems controlled the White House and Senate, would they fill the seat before the election?
(We ALL already know they would in a skinny minute)
They lost that argument and are now asking the GOP to handle it the same way they did last time.
You are suggesting a Dem President should never get a nominee in his final year, and a GOP president should always get a nominee to their last day.
That’s ridiculous.
She's been sick for a decade. She could and should have retired when Obama was still president and he would have locked in a younger activist judge for years to come. She was so sure Hil-liar-y was going to be the next president ( and she said so in an interview ) she hung on to the end. Now there is incentive for a second DJT term, when many would not have voted for him for any other reason...Her wish was to wait until after the election to replace her, you dumbshit!
And how many of them are on the Supreme Court? Stop the fear mongering.There are mega churches packed with people who think you’re wrong.
I’ve said before that she should have retired summer of 2015. However, there’s still no excuse for voting for Trump.She's been sick for a decade. She could and should have retired when Obama was still president and he would have locked in a younger activist judge for years to come. She was so sure Hil-liar-y was going to be the next president ( and she said so in an interview ) she hung on to the end. Now there is incentive for a second DJT term, when many would not have voted for him for any other reason...
Trump is within his right to put forth a nomination. The senate is within their right to confirm. Whether they do or not is completely out of my control, and certainly not worth getting worked up over.
Exactly. And if they choose to block a nomination, it is their right. Whether I think it should be done or not is immaterial. I have no say in the matter, and it is not worth getting upset over.Missing the point here. Of course they can, nobody is debating that.
Should they?
Next time we have a dem senate and repub president, dems will could say.... nope. Just because. They're within their rights.
Exactly. And if they choose to block a nomination, it is their right. Whether I think it should be done or not is immaterial. I have no say in the matter, and it is not worth getting upset over.
I don’t believe a Trump nominee will be confirmed before Biden takes over. He may try, and McConnell may even bring it to a vote....but I don’t think it will pass.Ok, sure.
My concern is that this isn't going to be good for our country. People that study this sort of thing -- political scientists -- have noted that these sorts of issues can be prelude to collapse of democracy in the state. I really don't want that to happen.
Time to problem solve it. Which means getting people to understand what's at stake.
I’m perfectly fine with a centrist, one who believes in judicial restraint and respect for precedent.I don’t believe a Trump nominee will be confirmed before Biden takes over. He may try, and McConnell may even bring it to a vote....but I don’t think it will pass.
Since that is what I believe will happen, then I hope repubs maintain control of the Senate. This will force Biden to nominate someone who leans neither left nor right.
If Trump nominated one would you support it?I’m perfectly fine with a centrist, one who believes in judicial restraint and respect for precedent.
The law allows the seat to be filled now. Why will you switch parties?
I think it is fine for a sitting POTUS to nominate someone and the Senate to decide to vote on that nominee BEFORE the election. The POTUS and the Senate are the legitimate representatives of the people based on the most recent elections for both.
Doing this after an election would be pretty bad in my opinion. It would be legal, but not the right way to go.
The President of the United States gets to fill Supreme Court justices as they come open. One is currently open so it is his responsibility to appoint a replacement.
Fascists gonna fascist.Trump is within his right to put forth a nomination. The senate is within their right to confirm. Whether they do or not is completely out of my control, and certainly not worth getting worked up over.