In my opinion, even if you're in favor of it, humans aren't smart enough to accurately employ the death penalty,.. I've never liked it.
Republicans renew death penalty debate in Iowa
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Valid argument. I just disagree. I also realize I do so from a perspective of privilege which makes it kinda cavalier of me. Still it's the way I see it.
The problem is that wealthy, white people can hire a good lawyer and work the system to avoid the death penalty for kidnapping, raping and killing a child. A poor person or a person of color has a much steeper path to get that same outcome for the same crime.
I would agree with most of this,... Strike the "white" and "or a person of color" references and I'm 100% on board,.. Money buys a lot of opportunities...
Again, I understand that but see it as a different issue. One that desperately needs to be addressed.
Just for a little Friday whataboutism, what about same crime against a senior? Same crime against a mentally disabled person? Same crime against the, I don't know, blind person? Why do children accentuate a crime but other protected classes don't?
Do you think it is wise to enact the death penalty when we haven’t addressed issues that make the e action of that penalty problematic?
Honest question, what's cheaper to taxpayers?
I'd like to see a price comparison.
I'm a numbers guy.
I'd like to see a price comparison.
I'm a numbers guy.
I'm torn on that. I think there are far too many cases where this punishment is warranted and I'm not sure it sense to wait for measures that may never happen to put it in place.
He was charged with seven counts of murder. By taking the death penalty off the table, he agreed to plead to 48 counts. It allowed the police to find and close 41 additional murder cases and they didn’t have to go to trial.
The death penalty often plays a crucial role in guilty pleas.
How is placing someone in isolation for the rest of their life a morally superior choice to euthanizing them?
It deterred Ted Bundy. He escaped from custody twice and went on murdering sprees. He was executed and murdering was deterred.
How is isolating them in a single cell for 20 years waiting for a date of death morally superior? When you read of death penalty cases, many of them involve one person in a group turning on the others. The one who turns gets out in 15 years and the others get the death penalty. How is that morally superior? How is it morally superior to justify executing someone with the only valid reason being vengeance? A need to seek retribution?
That wasn’t my reason. My reason was that some people need to be completely removed from society and euthanasia is more humane than isolation. I also believe there is a deterrent effect for people already in prison for life.
When the Governor of Oregon commuted their death sentences, I read through every single case. More than 1/3rd were guys with life sentences who murdered a fellow prisoner, a guard, or a civilian during an escape attempt.
That’s what is part of the discussion…..Obviously you are saying death penalty shouldn’t exist. If someone raped your daughter and killed her, would you have a different thought or say all is good we caught the perpetrator. Life in prison is ok?
We use the same drugs to euthanize dogs and cats, what is the difference? Bring back the death penalty in Iowa.
I would take that challenge. Perhaps I'm callous, but after watching my mom die from cancer I'm not concerned about watching a child killer die.
Yes, rapists (and/or violence against children perpetrators) have an unimaginably awful prison experience. There's only one justifiable reason to take a human life and that's self/family preservation.
