Romney's speech on Trump

[ICHawk-I]

Sounds terribly desperate, nothing that hasn't been already said about him. Not sure what they hope to accomplish.

Did call for tax returns and NY Times audio tape on immigration in a reverse psychology sort of way.

All they did was poke the bear, and typically when he is poked, things get ugly for the poker.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Good job by Romney.

A few distortions, a few dirty tricks. But better than I expected.

The performance was excellent. THAT Romney would have done better in 2012. But let's not forget that we saw the warts in 2012, not just a carefully prepared and practiced speech attacking an easy target.

 

[nolesincebirth]

Did he say why he decided to get involved? It just seems so calculated.

 

[Herkmeister]

• We the people have made Trump the leader.
  
• "They" the R establishment are doing anything they can to ignore WE the people.
  
• F#%K MITT!!!!!!
  
• F#%K THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ESTABLISHMENT!!!!!
• Pure spin by the controlling Republican rich bastards who have lied to us for years!!

 

[h-hawk]

I liked it too. Romney did a good job of explaining why America can't take a chance with Trump. It is worth listening to.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The only serious blow was the comment about a 35% tariff. Fact checking that, I see that was an off-the cuff comment about cars from Mexico and seemed to be offered as a threat to keep Ford from moving factories to Mexico.

Frankly, punishing companies who move plants to other countries sounds like a good idea to me.

Obviously, a 35% across-the-board tariff would be nuts. Romney didn't say that, but he certainly left that impression.

How many other Romney points were similarly distorted?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Mitt can go chase angels

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I thought his comments about voting for Rubio in Florida and for Kasich in Ohio were interesting. Not just that he gave Kasich equal billing when he is on the verge of dropping out, but that Cruz got less clear support.

As I have been up front about from the beginning (last year) I consider Cruz to be much scarier than Trump (or anyone else left in the field). So even that slight discounting of Cruz (as compared with Rubio and Kasich) was good to hear.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

We've now seen attacks on Trump by both halves of the 2012 GOP ticket. Remember, Paul Ryan kicked it off last week (or was it the week before)?

Who's next? McCain?

Will it work?

Won't most Trump supporters just dismiss them as RINOs?

 

[Chewback]

Good job by Romney.

A few distortions, a few dirty tricks. But better than I expected.

The performance was excellent. THAT Romney would have done better in 2012. But let's not forget that we saw the warts in 2012, not just a carefully prepared and practiced speech attacking an easy target.

And carefully leaked. I didn't bother watching because I felt I already knew most of it and I hate listenibg to politicians give speeches.

 

[bhawk24bob]

Every time the Republican establishment sends out somebody to attack Trump, it only makes him more popular.

This is great watching the political class get all riled up about this

 

[ICHawk-I]

I thought his comments about voting for Rubio in Florida and for Kasich in Ohio were interesting. Not just that he gave Kasich equal billing when he is on the verge of dropping out, but that Cruz got less clear support.[/B]

Dilute the delegates, don't let anyone get the required amount and then let the free-for-all begin. That will be ugly!

As much as I dislike Trump, I dislike the idea that the will of people's primary/caucus votes being overruled by the GOP even more. But, that would just prove what everyone knows about the snakes in Washington and would likely fuel Trump's support since he would no doubt point to that as exactly the reason they need an outsider.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

This is about the same as tmz attacking a boyfriend of one of the kardashian girls for not treating her right

 

[Herkmeister]

And carefully leaked. I didn't bother watching because I felt I already knew most of it and I hate listenibg to politicians give speeches.

Smart move. I can't get the taste of vomit out of my mouth.

 

[Herkmeister]

Dilute the delegates, don't let anyone get the required amount and then let the free-for-all begin. That will be ugly!

As much as I dislike Trump, I dislike the idea that the will of people's primary/caucus votes will be overruled by the GOP even more. But, that would just prove what everyone knows about the snakes in Washington and would likely fuel Trump's support since he would no doubt point to that as exactly the reason they need an outsider.

You are dead on. This is a huge SCREW YOU to the American people.

Mitt forgot to tell everyone that "he knows best". Just like liberals. I could just PUKE!!!!!

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Mitt is certainly an expert on how to win prez elections

 

[icu81222]

Did he say why he decided to get involved? It just seems so calculated.

Because he wanted to be able to look his grand kids in the eye if Trump became president and he didn't try to stop it

 

[Herkmeister]

Mitt is certainly an expert on how to win prez elections

No shit, the sumbitch proved he can make par with a mulligan.

 

[icu81222]

Every time the Republican establishment sends out somebody to attack Trump, it only makes him more popular.

This is great watching the political class get all riled up about this

I don't necessarily agree. It's documented that most current trump supporters have been for some time now. No one is going to change most of those people's minds anyway.

This will be extremely effective in keeping people who would have unwittingly backed trump from doing so now.

You could see it after Rubio started attacking Trump. Trumps numbers started to decline some and Rubio's started to improve.

 

[thewop]

Would be interesting to see Trump do something unprecedented, ignore Romney.

 

[UNIHawkfan]

I just watched it, and I found myself really wishing Mitt was running this time. I don't think we've seen the last of Mitt.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I just watched it, and I found myself really wishing Mitt was running this time. I don't think we've seen the last of Mitt.

make him hill's vp running mate then vote early and often

 

[BondHawk]

Would be interesting to see Trump do something unprecedented, ignore Romney.

Maybe he could just say he didn't hear what Mitt said, earpiece wasn't working.

 

[thewop]

The only serious blow was the comment about a 35% tariff. Fact checking that, I see that was an off-the cuff comment about cars from Mexico and seemed to be offered as a threat to keep Ford from moving factories to Mexico.

Frankly, punishing companies who move plants to other countries sounds like a good idea to me.

Obviously, a 35% across-the-board tariff would be nuts. Romney didn't say that, but he certainly left that impression.

How many other Romney points were similarly distorted?

Actually, it's the American Consumer that pushes companies to produce overseas. We American's like to save a buck, and if that means Ling Ling makes it for $20/day instead of John in Ohio making it for $240/day so our price on the shelf can be $20 instead of $30, then we "care," but not really. We don't like it, but the proof is in what we do with our wallets, not in what we say. Companies move production out of the country as a matter of survival, not as a middle finger to the American worker (that's a side effect, condoned by the American consumer).

SO...if the government steps in and makes absolutely sure we can't buy it for less than $30, then that's what we'll pay, or we'll go without. It obviously raises the market price from $20 to $30.

I'm conflicted on it, because I don't like the government raising consumer prices (which favors the rich, btw), but I do like jobs to be here instead of there.

 

[UNIHawkfan]

make him hill's vp running mate then vote early and often

Ha!

 

[bhawk24bob]

I don't necessarily agree. It's documented that most current trump supporters have been for some time now. No one is going to change most of those people's minds anyway.

This will be extremely effective in keeping people who would have unwittingly backed trump from doing so now.

You could see it after Rubio started attacking Trump. Trumps numbers started to decline some and Rubio's started to improve.

The reason that Trump is running away with this thing is that there are too many candidates opposing him. So what does the Relublican establishment do? Send out another one to oppose him. They need 1 unified voice if they want to stop Trump, not 7 or 8.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

The reason that Trump is running away with this thing is that there are too many candidates opposing him. So what does the Relublican establishment do? Send out another one to oppose him. They need 1 unified voice if they want to stop Trump, not 7 or 8.

that might have worked early on but it's too late now

 

[Herkmeister]

Actually, it's the American Consumer that pushes companies to produce overseas. We American's like to save a buck, and if that means Ling Ling makes it for $20/day instead of John in Ohio making it for $240/day so our price on the shelf can be $20 instead of $30, then we "care," but not really. We don't like it, but the proof is in what we do with our wallets, not in what we say. Companies move production out of the country as a matter of survival, not as a middle finger to the American worker (that's a side effect, condoned by the American consumer).

SO...if the government steps in and makes absolutely sure we can't buy it for less than $30, then that's what we'll pay, or we'll go without. It obviously raises the market price from $20 to $30.

I'm conflicted on it, because I don't like the government raising consumer prices (which favors the rich, btw), but I do like jobs to be here instead of there.

Well said. And there are other variables on imports that are political. Duty free countries are an example.

So...........what about the D's mandating $15 hourly wage? What about the shortage qualified workers in Michigan? What I'm saying is that our system has evolved. It's very complex. Not sure a simple solution is possible. (And I've always kinda believed the more complex the problem, the more simple the solution.)

 

[pablow]

The reason that Trump is running away with this thing is that there are too many candidates opposing him. So what does the Relublican establishment do? Send out another one to oppose him. They need 1 unified voice if they want to stop Trump, not 7 or 8.

No can do - they can't get rid of Cruz. The Republican pigs hate Cruz. That's what's so funny, it's checkmate and these assholes can't accept it. This is the Perfect Storm.

 

[Herkmeister]

No can do - they can't get rid of Cruz. The Republican pigs hate Cruz. That's what's so funny, it's checkmate and these assholes can't accept it. This is the Perfect Storm.

Checkmate is the perfect description.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

No can do - they can't get rid of Cruz. The Republican pigs hate Cruz. That's what's so funny, it's checkmate and these assholes can't accept it. This is the Perfect Storm.

yep. It was supposed to be jeb. They got rid of carson. They wrote off trump. They thought cruz was whack- had no chance. They put their eggs in the jeb basket

 

[Herkmeister]

yep. It was supposed to be jeb. They got rid of carson. They wrote off trump. They thought cruz was whack- had no chance. They put their eggs in the jeb basket

And poor Jeb just didn't have the energy to hatch them.

 

[thewop]

Well said. And there are other variables on imports that are political. Duty free countries are an example.

So...........what about the D's mandating $15 hourly wage? What about the shortage qualified workers in Michigan? What I'm saying is that our system has evolved. It's very complex. Not sure a simple solution is possible. (And I've always kinda believed the more complex the problem, the more simple the solution.)

I think the complexity is that the economy has evolved to a global economy... I don't know the answer to making the jobs come back, but I feel like it lies in America doing what we do best, and letting the other countries do what they do best. We have vast expanses of farmland to produce food for the world and technology to make it so one person can farm many hundreds of acres. We can make technological advances in renewable energy and have the means to do it unlike many others, we have technology and resource advantages over most nations...Meanwhile China has many people who are willing to sew, and their cost of living is much lower so their wages are as well. Let them make clothes, etc. We can manufacture things that can be mostly automated, but some things will always require a lot of labor, and those things will often make sense for us to import.

The $15/hr min. wage will have the same impact on prices as higher duties, and probably much more far reaching than increased import duties. The strange thing about that is when somebody makes more, but the cost of everything goes up...how much is gained? Not to mention the impact on everyone making a little more than $15/hr today... I lived in that world when I lived and worked in Europe...everything is much more expensive than it is here, and most products are lower quality than what we have available.

I can't solve bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US, but I'm pretty sure creating a whole bunch of government jobs isn't the way to do it.

 

[Herkmeister]

I think the complexity is that the economy has evolved to a global economy... I don't know the answer to making the jobs come back, but I feel like it lies in America doing what we do best, and letting the other countries do what they do best. We have vast expanses of farmland to produce food for the world and technology to make it so one person can farm many hundreds of acres. We can make technological advances in renewable energy and have the means to do it unlike many others, we have technology and resource advantages over most nations...Meanwhile China has many people who are willing to sew, and their cost of living is much lower so their wages are as well. Let them make clothes, etc. We can manufacture things that can be mostly automated, but some things will always require a lot of labor, and those things will often make sense for us to import.

The $15/hr min. wage will have the same impact on prices as higher duties, and probably much more far reaching than increased import duties. The strange thing about that is when somebody makes more, but the cost of everything goes up...how much is gained? Not to mention the impact on everyone making a little more than $15/hr today... I lived in that world when I lived and worked in Europe...everything is much more expensive in than it is here, and most products are lower quality than what we have available.

I can't solve bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US, but I'm pretty sure creating a whole bunch of government jobs isn't the way to do it.

I am in your corner. I view this as you do.

 

[Nat Algren]

Does anyone real care about Willard? His Youtube video has 3,100 views.

 

[lucas80]

Would be interesting to see Trump do something unprecedented, ignore Romney.

No such luck. At a rally yesterday Trump said that Romney had begged for Trump's support, and that if he'd told him to Mitt would have gotten down on his knees in front of him. The crowd roared their approval of this HROT level insult. That right there is 35 percent of the Republican base, and the man they want to be the leader of the free world. A vulgarian and the morons who love him.