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Ron DeSantis offers to move part of US ag department to Iowa as part of relocation policy

The only dumber thing circulating is Nikki Haley's idea to term limit federal workers. You are a top level researcher or administrator at the DoE working on nuclear weapons, or anything for that matter, sorry, you hit the five year mark. You are out. Republicans blind hatred of the federal government, except when it's handing them checks, is stunning.
Talk about institutional loss. That would be horrible for the federal government.
 
The only dumber thing circulating is Nikki Haley's idea to term limit federal workers. You are a top level researcher or administrator at the DoE working on nuclear weapons, or anything for that matter, sorry, you hit the five year mark. You are out. Republicans blind hatred of the federal government, except when it's handing them checks, is stunning.
Talk about institutional loss. That would be horrible for the federal government.
in any event, everybody knows that when federal agencies are subjected to hiring freezes, they just use contractors.
 
The ability to cooperate, share resources and knowledge, to be responsive to Congress means keeping agencies in the DC area. I wish I knew what successful Western nations place department leadership out in the sticks?
 
The ability to cooperate, share resources and knowledge, to be responsive to Congress means keeping agencies in the DC area. I wish I knew what successful Western nations place department leadership out in the sticks?

This isnt the days of horse and buggy lucas.

In today's technological age your poinis is dumb.
 
The ability to cooperate, share resources and knowledge, to be responsive to Congress means keeping agencies in the DC area. I wish I knew what successful Western nations place department leadership out in the sticks?
1. Not really .

2. Let's consider this on a somewhat fair basis. Among 'western nations,' there's probably only one other that is truly continental in size, and that's Canada. Provincial powers do pretty well there.
 
This isnt the days of horse and buggy lucas.

In today's technological age your poinis is dumb.
Except your point works the opposite way. Technology allows a centralized regulatory agency more contact with the field areas. Again, I just don’t see the benefit. You end up losing experienced staff who don’t want to move or can’t afford to move.
 
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Anyone else notice that Go Iowa Awesome has now sold their soul to the Meatball campaign? All day today I've had the constant reminder that our dumb Governor has thrown her support to the Lizard of Largo.

I guess Ron and Casey missed the memo that Kimmy is the most disliked governor in the entire country. I'm sure this huge Iowa media buy will surely move the meter for him.
 
Maybe Ron could have the Moms For Liberty gal be his Secretary of Agriculture? She’s good at animal husbandry from the sound of things.
 
1. Not really .

2. Let's consider this on a somewhat fair basis. Among 'western nations,' there's probably only one other that is truly continental in size, and that's Canada. Provincial powers do pretty well there.
1. You’re wrong.
2. Size doesn’t always matter. France and Germany are big. Brazil is big. The UK didn’t feel the need to spread out government and bureaucracy when they had a global empire.

Just admit it’s low brow pandering from a guy that’s polling 40 points behind a rapist with 90 indictments on him.
 

The Trump administration’s effort to “drain the swamp” by moving agencies from their Washington headquarters has proved to be a lesson in mismanagement.
When Sonny Perdue, then secretary of the U.S. Agriculture Department (USDA), announced in 2019 the move of two agencies to the Kansas City region, he bragged about “a rigorous site selection process” that would lead to “attracting highly-qualified staff” in the new location.


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Perdue was wrong on both counts.
A report released last week by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) details lasting problems with the troubled relocation of the Economic Research Service (ERS) and the National Institute of Food and Agriculture (NIFA).

Perdue’s “rigorous” process excluded estimated employee attrition rates from the department’s “site-selection decision-making,” GAO said, and “limited the ability of USDA leadership to ensure that it was making an appropriately informed decision on relocating.”

Instead of attracting employees as Perdue promised, the move quickly decimated the workforce, trashed employee morale, shunned employee input and slashed the number of Black employees at the agencies. Productivity temporarily also dropped sharply, but that metric and workforce size have largely recovered, at least in numbers.
Yet the Trump administration relocations, USDA press secretary Marissa Perry said Wednesday, “resulted in a significant loss of institutional knowledge, talent, and diversity on staff that will take time and intentionality to fully rebuild.”

USDA officials told GAO auditors the relocation decision, which President Biden has not reversed, “was the sole decision of the Secretary.” Perdue, now chancellor of the University System of Georgia, and its media office did not respond to questions submitted by email.

This was not the first GAO study to find weaknesses in the rigorous process Perdue professed. In April, GAO found USDA’s “economic analysis did not fully align” with stated relocation objectives regarding improved staffing, service and costs, as it “omitted critical costs and economic effects from its analysis of taxpayer savings.”
GAO is not the only watchdog to criticize the process. USDA’s inspector general said in 2019 that the department obligated money to pay a contractor for services related to the move without first getting required congressional approval.

The new GAO audit found the two agencies “experienced substantial loss of staff,” including some in key positions, “as well as their institutional knowledge and critical expertise” after the relocation. In July 2020, each had about 150 permanent full-time employees, fewer than half the number in 2016. As of June 2022, both agencies had about 300 staffers.

As a result, the agencies now have a workforce of “mostly recent hires with significantly less experience” than previous employees, the report said. By the end of fiscal 2021, about two-thirds of Economic Research Service staffers and 79 percent of National Institute of Food and Agriculture employees had two years or less with the agencies. Before relocation, more than 80 percent of the employees in both agencies had more than two years experience at their respective agencies. “The Secretary’s decision not to follow the directives” in department reorganization regulations, GAO added, “meant that USDA was more vulnerable to the workforce turnover and disruptions in productivity caused by relocating” the agencies.
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The relocations sharply cut African American employment at the agencies. Between fiscal 2018 and 2021, the percentage of Black employees was cut by more than half in both agencies, while the proportion of White staffers increased significantly.

While both agencies “partially followed” best workplace reorganization practices, GAO found “they generally did not follow leading practices for diversity management before and after the relocation.” Reflecting the Trump administration’s hostility toward diversity, equity and inclusion policies, “the agencies did not have formal diversity plans or strategies in place.”

Productivity also took a heavy hit, albeit temporarily. The number of journal articles by research service writers fell from fiscal 2018 through 2020 by more than half, from 159 to 74. The institute needed 30 days more to fund competitive grants in fiscal 2019 than it did the previous year. “This slower processing time coincided with the loss of staff,” GAO said. No payments were made to National Institute grantees by March 31, 2020, a sharp contrast to previous years, when between one-third and 100 percent of grants were paid by that point. Seven of eight budget staffers left the agency in fiscal 2019.
Although Perdue met with employees “to notify” them about the relocation, USDA did little, if anything, to fully involve employees — or Congress — during the planning process, according to GAO, adding, “USDA did not engage employees to gain their buy-in or acceptance prior to relocating — in contrast to leading practices.”

The lack of employee engagement was reflected by steep drops for the agencies in the Partnership for Public Service’s Best Places to Work in the Federal Government rankings, which are based on the Federal Employee Viewpoint Survey. The Economic Research Service’s Best Places’ score, an estimate of staff morale, fell from 67 in 2018 to 37 in 2019, and the National Institute’s slumped from 45 to 20.

Eschewing more employee involvement was a decision, not an oversight.
“According to USDA officials, USDA leadership told ERS and NIFA managers not to collect employee input as they developed the relocation,” GAO reported, “and that leadership would not consider recommendations from the agencies’ employee advisory groups on the relocation or site selection.”

During the Trump administration, the Interior Department also moved an agency headquarters west and received similarly negative reviews. In July 2019, Interior announced the Bureau of Land Management headquarters would move to Grand Junction, Colo. In March 2020, a GAO headline declared, “The agency’s reorganization efforts did not substantially address key practices for effective reforms.” Interior is reestablishing the Bureau of Land Management’s main office in D.C.

Rep. Jennifer Wexton (D-Va.), who requested the new GAO report, said it “confirms that the disastrous relocation of two USDA research agencies forced experienced federal workers out of their jobs, leading to a brain drain of expertise and crippling the ability of these agencies to fulfill their missions. The previous administration’s thinly-veiled effort to gut the agencies and politicize their essential work was — unfortunately — successful.
“I’ve made it a priority to shine a light on the detrimental consequences of this haphazard relocation process,” she added, “and to ensure an administration can never again undermine the nonpartisan work of civil servants in this way.”
Nonetheless, Republican efforts to move agencies outside of D.C. continue. Legislation proposed by Rep. Bill Johnson (R-Ohio) and Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) would facilitate federal office relocations.
They call it the SWAMP Act.
 
Efficiency for the federal government is relative. I just want the conditions that allow it to be the most responsive and most effective. Yes, it is helpful to have people in the places the policy affects but the people who write the laws are in Washington so the answer is "both".

But of course you ignored the most important part of my statement. DeSantis's move here had nothing to do wiith efficiency or effectiveness. It had everything to do with trying to buy votes and even if he were to do this he wouldn't spend 5 minutes considering effectiveness or efficiency. He would just find which person provided him the most money and how they could benefit the most and make that happen. How do I know this? Because that is how he has ran his state. So spare me this sudden interest in you trying to argue the virtues of the federal government. If it were a Democrat proposing this you would scream government intrusion and wasteful spending and in the case of unnecessarily moving them, you'd be right.

I'll leave the door open though. If he can show me how this move is beneficial to the operation of the Department of Agriculture then I can get on board with it. Of course, he would also have to explain why only Iowa and not Illinois, Wisconsin, or any of the other states with large agriculture industries.

Federal agency HQs need to be concentrated for logistical and practical purposes. Use common sense.
 
Federal agency HQs need to be concentrated for logistical and practical purposes. Use common sense.

That's certainly a separate discussion worth having.

But this is about spreading respective federal agency HQs throughout the country, rather than having them all located within the D.C. metro area.
 
That's certainly a separate discussion worth having.

But this is about spreading respective federal agency HQs throughout the country, rather than having them all located within the D.C. metro area.

O.K. So, come up with some logic.
 
That's certainly a separate discussion worth having.

But this is about spreading respective federal agency HQs throughout the country, rather than having them all located within the D.C. metro area.
Data shows that produces negative effects. Provide an argument based on something other than your butt being hurt.
 

The Trump administration’s effort to “drain the swamp” by moving agencies from their Washington headquarters has proved to be a lesson in mismanagement.
When Sonny Perdue, then secretary of the U.S. Agriculture Department (USDA), announced in 2019 the move of two agencies to the Kansas City region, he bragged about “a rigorous site selection process” that would lead to “attracting highly-qualified staff” in the new location.


Keeping up with politics is easy with The 5-Minute Fix Newsletter, in your inbox weekdays.

Perdue was wrong on both counts.
A report released last week by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) details lasting problems with the troubled relocation of the Economic Research Service (ERS) and the National Institute of Food and Agriculture (NIFA).

Perdue’s “rigorous” process excluded estimated employee attrition rates from the department’s “site-selection decision-making,” GAO said, and “limited the ability of USDA leadership to ensure that it was making an appropriately informed decision on relocating.”

Instead of attracting employees as Perdue promised, the move quickly decimated the workforce, trashed employee morale, shunned employee input and slashed the number of Black employees at the agencies. Productivity temporarily also dropped sharply, but that metric and workforce size have largely recovered, at least in numbers.
Yet the Trump administration relocations, USDA press secretary Marissa Perry said Wednesday, “resulted in a significant loss of institutional knowledge, talent, and diversity on staff that will take time and intentionality to fully rebuild.”

USDA officials told GAO auditors the relocation decision, which President Biden has not reversed, “was the sole decision of the Secretary.” Perdue, now chancellor of the University System of Georgia, and its media office did not respond to questions submitted by email.

This was not the first GAO study to find weaknesses in the rigorous process Perdue professed. In April, GAO found USDA’s “economic analysis did not fully align” with stated relocation objectives regarding improved staffing, service and costs, as it “omitted critical costs and economic effects from its analysis of taxpayer savings.”
GAO is not the only watchdog to criticize the process. USDA’s inspector general said in 2019 that the department obligated money to pay a contractor for services related to the move without first getting required congressional approval.

The new GAO audit found the two agencies “experienced substantial loss of staff,” including some in key positions, “as well as their institutional knowledge and critical expertise” after the relocation. In July 2020, each had about 150 permanent full-time employees, fewer than half the number in 2016. As of June 2022, both agencies had about 300 staffers.

As a result, the agencies now have a workforce of “mostly recent hires with significantly less experience” than previous employees, the report said. By the end of fiscal 2021, about two-thirds of Economic Research Service staffers and 79 percent of National Institute of Food and Agriculture employees had two years or less with the agencies. Before relocation, more than 80 percent of the employees in both agencies had more than two years experience at their respective agencies. “The Secretary’s decision not to follow the directives” in department reorganization regulations, GAO added, “meant that USDA was more vulnerable to the workforce turnover and disruptions in productivity caused by relocating” the agencies.
Share this articleShare
The relocations sharply cut African American employment at the agencies. Between fiscal 2018 and 2021, the percentage of Black employees was cut by more than half in both agencies, while the proportion of White staffers increased significantly.

While both agencies “partially followed” best workplace reorganization practices, GAO found “they generally did not follow leading practices for diversity management before and after the relocation.” Reflecting the Trump administration’s hostility toward diversity, equity and inclusion policies, “the agencies did not have formal diversity plans or strategies in place.”

Productivity also took a heavy hit, albeit temporarily. The number of journal articles by research service writers fell from fiscal 2018 through 2020 by more than half, from 159 to 74. The institute needed 30 days more to fund competitive grants in fiscal 2019 than it did the previous year. “This slower processing time coincided with the loss of staff,” GAO said. No payments were made to National Institute grantees by March 31, 2020, a sharp contrast to previous years, when between one-third and 100 percent of grants were paid by that point. Seven of eight budget staffers left the agency in fiscal 2019.
Although Perdue met with employees “to notify” them about the relocation, USDA did little, if anything, to fully involve employees — or Congress — during the planning process, according to GAO, adding, “USDA did not engage employees to gain their buy-in or acceptance prior to relocating — in contrast to leading practices.”

The lack of employee engagement was reflected by steep drops for the agencies in the Partnership for Public Service’s Best Places to Work in the Federal Government rankings, which are based on the Federal Employee Viewpoint Survey. The Economic Research Service’s Best Places’ score, an estimate of staff morale, fell from 67 in 2018 to 37 in 2019, and the National Institute’s slumped from 45 to 20.

Eschewing more employee involvement was a decision, not an oversight.
“According to USDA officials, USDA leadership told ERS and NIFA managers not to collect employee input as they developed the relocation,” GAO reported, “and that leadership would not consider recommendations from the agencies’ employee advisory groups on the relocation or site selection.”

During the Trump administration, the Interior Department also moved an agency headquarters west and received similarly negative reviews. In July 2019, Interior announced the Bureau of Land Management headquarters would move to Grand Junction, Colo. In March 2020, a GAO headline declared, “The agency’s reorganization efforts did not substantially address key practices for effective reforms.” Interior is reestablishing the Bureau of Land Management’s main office in D.C.

Rep. Jennifer Wexton (D-Va.), who requested the new GAO report, said it “confirms that the disastrous relocation of two USDA research agencies forced experienced federal workers out of their jobs, leading to a brain drain of expertise and crippling the ability of these agencies to fulfill their missions. The previous administration’s thinly-veiled effort to gut the agencies and politicize their essential work was — unfortunately — successful.
“I’ve made it a priority to shine a light on the detrimental consequences of this haphazard relocation process,” she added, “and to ensure an administration can never again undermine the nonpartisan work of civil servants in this way.”
Nonetheless, Republican efforts to move agencies outside of D.C. continue. Legislation proposed by Rep. Bill Johnson (R-Ohio) and Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) would facilitate federal office relocations.
They call it the SWAMP Act.
The GAO is the DEEP STATE!!
 
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