Rotation 1-10?
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If Garza is ready and as good as advertised, he should start.
I don't know why so many are quick to leave Wagner out of the rotation. He defends, rebounds, and is freakishly athletic. He'll get plenty of ticks off the bench as a role player. Williams and Uhl will be given a chance, but if they continue to perform like they did last season then I have no doubt they'll be buried at the end of the bench.
Thought CW was moving to the wing.
Think everyone has ideas of what we need and favorite players we feel need PT. But as we keep saying, someone's going to be disappointed, at least early in the year.
I have a contrary opinion to most posters, I think Fran & staff realizes the Williams experiment at the backup pg didn't pan out, He will move to the 3 for spot minutes in my opinion.
Ellingson will indeed be the back up PG / SG as the classic combo guard. I don't know about most of you but I felt sooooo much more comfortable with Ellingson running the back up point than Williams. Williams was a TO waiting to happen.
Evidenced, although very limited data points, by Brady playing both SG and PG during the PTL. I know, it's nothing more than a pickup game but you can't tell me that the IA staff isn't feeding Larson, the other coaches, and the players themselves things that they want to focus on during summer workouts and the PT.L
Christian just doesn't have the confidence & handles based on what he's displayed so far to man the PG position.
The Key for this thread is begin the season. As the season goes on things are bound to change. For PG I think Bohannon won't be out of the line up very long 32-36 min pg. Picking the rotation is very hard this year because somebody gets left out. Wagner will get time a PF for sure. Can never tell how the freshmen will pick up the system and defense. Iowa lacked height last year at Center.
I believe that Fran will adjust his lineup(s) from game to game based on who's playing well and how we match up against our opponent. However, I also believe that JoBo, Cook, Moss, Baer, and Kreiner should be fairly steady.
I'll say it again there's just not enough minutes to play more than 10. A few solid players are going to get left out.
First pencil in Cook & Bohannen for about 30 minutes a game. There's no way Cook is coming off the floor unless he asks to or is in foul trouble. You do not get recruits like this and put them on the bench. That leaves 10 minutes at each spot for Pemsl, Nunge or Wagner for Cook and Ellingson or Dailey for JBo.
Looks like Garza and Kreiner have the inside track or first shot at splitting the 5 spot. Right there that's 3 of the 5 spots have the majority of minutes claimed.
Moss is likely getting the first shot at the two so he's probably getting 25 minutes a game. That leaves some time for Ellingson, Dailey, Williams (if he shows that he can shoot). That's 4 of the 5 spots.
Then the 3 / wing spot. Likely Baer getting the heaviest minutes either as a starter or off the bench. That leaves 10-12 minutes for Nunge, Wagner, Dailey, Uhl or Williams. Nunge could be too good to keep off the floor as the season progresses.
I have no idea how Fran is going to do this but there is no way this is going to work for 13 players. No freakimg way.
First pencil in Cook & Bohannen for about 30 minutes a game. There's no way Cook is coming off the floor unless he asks to or is in foul trouble. You do not get recruits like this and put them on the bench. That leaves 10 minutes at each spot for Pemsl, Nunge or Wagner for Cook and Ellingson or Dailey for JBo.
Looks like Garza and Kreiner have the inside track or first shot at splitting the 5 spot. Right there that's 3 of the 5 spots have the majority of minutes claimed.
Moss is likely getting the first shot at the two so he's probably getting 25 minutes a game. That leaves some time for Ellingson, Dailey, Williams (if he shows that he can shoot). That's 4 of the 5 spots.
Then the 3 / wing spot. Likely Baer getting the heaviest minutes either as a starter or off the bench. That leaves 10-12 minutes for Nunge, Wagner, Dailey, Uhl or Williams. Nunge could be too good to keep off the floor as the season progresses.
I have no idea how Fran is going to do this but there is no way this is going to work for 13 players. No freakimg way.
I agree Wagner brought positives to the team last year. This year we may see players with more size that are able to rebound as well, shoot better, and play with high energy levels. AW had games where his energy was off the charts and if he can figure out how to bring that every game then he'll get minutes.
Bssketball skills wise he's got more competion and the young kids may be ahead in terms of bb experiences and savey.
When the lights come on for real I expect the minutes will take care of themselves. We are all guessing at this point but we know there will be tough competion for limited time.
Bssketball skills wise he's got more competion and the young kids may be ahead in terms of bb experiences and savey.
When the lights come on for real I expect the minutes will take care of themselves. We are all guessing at this point but we know there will be tough competion for limited time.
I also like Wagner but he has a tough road to earn minutes. He was able to play a role as the energy, physical, athletic, defender as an undersized 5 last year. Part of that opened up when Cook went down with an injury and Dom could not play the 5 effectively. I'm not sure he will get that opportunity this year with Cook, Pemsl, Kreiner, Garza and maybe a little Nunge battling for the 4 & 5 minutes.
We know he cannot shoot the ball so that rules out the 2 and he's not a PG obviously. That leaves the 3 but Baer is going to occupy the majority of those minutes. What's left he's going to have to fend off Nunge, Dailey, Uhl and maybe Williams. Wow. IF IF IF Nunge can actually defend the 3 we know he's got serious length along with better offensive skills .... I do not know is how you can play Wagner over him then as the season progresses?
The only way this works for Wagner is if Pemsl redshirts due to injury and Nunge plays the 4 behind Cook.
Again, this is not going to work otherwise for some solid role players. Just is not and I am shocked that 2-3 players did not transfer out just for more PT reasons.
A lot of good points, but don't write off Pemsl, just because he was out with groin surgery. He's ready almost now to resume practice and Fran likes his ability to do so many different things well. As most have said, and I concur, Garza and Nunge are simply too talented to not really be in the mix. I think this team could be special as the season goes on. I seriously cannot remember depth like this since about three coaches ago.
Plenty of time to change our minds of course. But I'll play.
I've got a top eight that I'm pretty secure with.
Bohannon, Moss, Baer, Nunge, Cook, Pemsl, Kriener and Garza.
I believe we can find about seven minutes in the post and seven or so minutes at the wing when we want to go small.
Post, seven minutes. Battle between Pemsl, Wagner and Uhl. And I have no clue who wins the time.
Wing Forward, seven minutes. None at all and Baer and Nunge get everything. Or Battle between Dailey, Williams and Wagner...and I have no clue. who wins.
Guard, 20-25 minutes between each spot. Battle between Williams, Wagner and Ellingson and one, two or three of them see some time. No guess yet beyond that.
I've got a top eight that I'm pretty secure with.
Bohannon, Moss, Baer, Nunge, Cook, Pemsl, Kriener and Garza.
I believe we can find about seven minutes in the post and seven or so minutes at the wing when we want to go small.
Post, seven minutes. Battle between Pemsl, Wagner and Uhl. And I have no clue who wins the time.
Wing Forward, seven minutes. None at all and Baer and Nunge get everything. Or Battle between Dailey, Williams and Wagner...and I have no clue. who wins.
Guard, 20-25 minutes between each spot. Battle between Williams, Wagner and Ellingson and one, two or three of them see some time. No guess yet beyond that.
In my mind there are 3 big questions that will drive minute distribution...
Is Cook dominant or just really talented?
Cook showed flashes as a true freshman, but only seemed to be consistent for the last several games. Can he become a force on the boards and on defense, or is he an offensive specialist who will throw down some monster dunks and draw fouls? That will determine if he's closer to 20 or 30 minutes.
Who wins the battle between Moss/Ellingson?
Everyone pencils in Moss at the 2 and emphasizes defense as what can bring Iowa to the next level. I've been hearing Brady is now one of our better defenders.
Do the upperclassmen at the end of the rotation hold off the newcomers?
Uhl and Wagner may have their hands full competing for frontcourt minutes with Nunge and Garza. The winners after Cook, Baer, and Pemsl will be interesting to watch, as seemingly every player bring some different attributes.
Is Cook dominant or just really talented?
Cook showed flashes as a true freshman, but only seemed to be consistent for the last several games. Can he become a force on the boards and on defense, or is he an offensive specialist who will throw down some monster dunks and draw fouls? That will determine if he's closer to 20 or 30 minutes.
Who wins the battle between Moss/Ellingson?
Everyone pencils in Moss at the 2 and emphasizes defense as what can bring Iowa to the next level. I've been hearing Brady is now one of our better defenders.
Do the upperclassmen at the end of the rotation hold off the newcomers?
Uhl and Wagner may have their hands full competing for frontcourt minutes with Nunge and Garza. The winners after Cook, Baer, and Pemsl will be interesting to watch, as seemingly every player bring some different attributes.
I hope you're right about him moving the wing, I think he shines there. A 3 platoon of Williams, Uhl, Baer and Nunge sounds pretty good to me. Unfortunately, I think Fran is going to want and need Williams to back up JBO.
I hear Fran is wanting more versatility from everyone. And he's got the PT leverage to get guys to take his suggestions seriously. Makes the whole team harder to guard.
Is it even realistic to platoon 4 guys at one position and get any continuity or rhythm going? That's insane.
So many possibilities!
Starters and Regular Rotation (top 10):
Bohannon
Moss
Nunge
Cook
Garza
Williams and Ellingson back-up 1-3
Baer backs-up 2-4
Pemsl and Kreiner back-up 4-5
Specialty Line-ups
Zone Only Line-up (Maybe the biggest in the NCAA)
Williams
Baer
Nunge
Pemsl
Garza
Fastest Line-up
Bohannon
Moss
Wagner
Baer
Cook
End of Game up by 2 or 3 (dare them to foul)
Bohannon
Ellingson
Baer
Nunge
Kreiner
End of Game down by 2 or 3 (4 shooters around the arc, and no one to help double Cook)
Bohannon
Ellingson
Baer
Nunge
Cook
.................
Not much room for Wagner, Uhl, and Dailey.
Wagner will play. He is a team leader and total effort guy, just not sure where his minutes will come from.
Uhl will remain behind Baer and Nunge and won't find a regular spot in the line-up
Dailey may snag Ellingson or Williams minutes if they slip and he improves.
Starters and Regular Rotation (top 10):
Bohannon
Moss
Nunge
Cook
Garza
Williams and Ellingson back-up 1-3
Baer backs-up 2-4
Pemsl and Kreiner back-up 4-5
Specialty Line-ups
Zone Only Line-up (Maybe the biggest in the NCAA)
Williams
Baer
Nunge
Pemsl
Garza
Fastest Line-up
Bohannon
Moss
Wagner
Baer
Cook
End of Game up by 2 or 3 (dare them to foul)
Bohannon
Ellingson
Baer
Nunge
Kreiner
End of Game down by 2 or 3 (4 shooters around the arc, and no one to help double Cook)
Bohannon
Ellingson
Baer
Nunge
Cook
.................
Not much room for Wagner, Uhl, and Dailey.
Wagner will play. He is a team leader and total effort guy, just not sure where his minutes will come from.
Uhl will remain behind Baer and Nunge and won't find a regular spot in the line-up
Dailey may snag Ellingson or Williams minutes if they slip and he improves.
IMO Bohannon is the only player you can pencil in for 30 minutes per game, and that's because of the drop off at back up PG. Last year Cook averaged 24.5 minutes per game, and the front court looks more crowded this coming season. Kriener looks in line to earn more minutes, and Nunge and Garza seem to bring more potential than Wagner or Uhl. I expect Cook's minutes will be somewhere in the 24-27 range, unless the freshmen disappoint, and Kriener doesn't improve his productivity.
I'm not sure if you are talking high school rankings, or production, but Cook had a long way to go to be a complete player last season. When deciding playing time, I don't think Fran cares if his players were 5* recruits or walk-on's. They all put on the same team uniform. Cook has to earn playing time just like everyone else.
BirdistheWord
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Agree on JoBo. He will be needed to log heavy minutes. Pretty much every other position has some depth, with the "2" being the weakest. Hope Brady can be a consistent sub. 3/4/5 is full of options as discussed ad nauseam. Cook is prone to foul trouble, but we will need his offense and athleticism. His minutes should go up, but not that much (26-28 IMO). Wagner will get more minutes than folks are planning for, he is experienced, strong, hustles, sets picks, grabs rebounds and can get some garbage points. Not 20m per game but he is surely low double digit minutes.
Starting 5
1-bohannon
2-elingson
3-moss
4-cook
5-kreiner
Williams backs up1-2
Baer backs up 3-4
Nunge 3-5
Garza 4-5
Wagner 3-4
Uhl 3-4
Dailey 1-2
Pemsl 4-5
I don't think Williams or Dailey will be shorted minutes. I think Fran can really play some line ups against the team he is playing just wish our hopefully Wagner who is switching to a wing can convert
1-bohannon
2-elingson
3-moss
4-cook
5-kreiner
Williams backs up1-2
Baer backs up 3-4
Nunge 3-5
Garza 4-5
Wagner 3-4
Uhl 3-4
Dailey 1-2
Pemsl 4-5
I don't think Williams or Dailey will be shorted minutes. I think Fran can really play some line ups against the team he is playing just wish our hopefully Wagner who is switching to a wing can convert
