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Russia’s misinformation machine goes into high gear to promote border fears, and cripple efforts at Ukraine aid.

win1forthe said:
They've been doing this for years, they just change the topic. In fact, they are so thorough, they have some bots that post here.
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SansAgain said:
Haha! When was the last time you left your basement?
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There’s one right there.
 
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lucas80 said:
The continued push by House Republicans to impeach Joe Biden is fueled by Russian disinformation. And, yet, somehow nobody is shocked to see US politicians acting at the service of the FSB.
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Quite honestly, how do any of us know what is disinformation vs. what is not disinformation?
 
JRHawk2003 said:
Having the ability to discern bullshit.

It's not hard

Russian.
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If someone has an existing bias, then they are easily deceived. Some people with an existing bias might even say it's not hard to determine what is disinformation vs what is not disinformation. They have probably convinced themselves that they have the ability to discern BS where others lack that ability.
 
tarheelbybirth said:
There's another one.

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You were deliberately duped.
Have you still not caught on to that fact?

Newly Declassified Document Indicates FBI Misled Congress on Reliability of Steele Dossier​


WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today released a newly declassified FBI document that indicates the Bureau misled the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018 about the Steele dossier’s Primary Sub-source and, therefore, the reliability of the Steele dossier.
“This document clearly shows that the FBI was continuing to mislead regarding the reliability of the Steele dossier. The FBI did to the Senate Intelligence Committee what the Department of Justice and FBI had previously done to the FISA Court: mischaracterize, mislead and lie. The characterizations regarding the dossier were completely out of touch with reality in terms of what the Russian sub-source actually said to the FBI.
“What does this mean? That Congress as well as the FISA Court was lied to about the reliability of the Russian sub-source. I will be asking FBI Director Wray to provide me all the details possible about how the briefing was arranged and who provided it.
“Inspector General Horowitz’s team found this briefing document. Inspector General Horowitz and his team deserve great credit for uncovering systematic fraud at Department of Justice surrounding the Carter Page FISA warrant. I’m also very appreciative of the Department of Justice’s release of the FBI document used to brief the Senate Intelligence Committee.”
The document includes talking points from the FBI’s briefing of the Senate Intelligence Committee in February 2018 and details the FBI’s assessment of the primary source of the information contained in the Steele dossier. This FBI briefing to Members of Congress occurred after the FBI had learned that the Steele dossier was unreliable in 2017. [Document]
Among the most misleading statements from the FBI:
The FBI told Congress that the Primary Sub-source “did not cite any significant concerns with the way his reporting was characterized in the dossier to the extent he could identify it.”
  • However, documents previously declassified by the Senate Judiciary Committee revealed the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that he “has no idea” where some of the language attributed to him came from or that his contacts “never mentioned” some of the information attributed to them.
  • The Primary Sub-source told the FBI he “did not know the origins” of other information that was supposedly from his contacts and he “did not recall” other information attributed to him or his contacts.
  • Further, the Primary Sub-source said that Steele used “incorrect source characterization” for one of the Primary Sub-source’s contacts.
The FBI told Congress that “At minimum, our discussions with [the Primary Sub-source] confirm that the dossier was not fabricated by Steele.”
  • However, as Inspector General Horowitz’s December 2019 report on Crossfire Hurricane revealed, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that the corroboration for the dossier was “zero” and that he takes what the sources for the dossier told him with “a grain of salt.”
  • Moreover, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that Steele presented some of the information in the dossier as fact reported by sub-sources when the information was really just Steele’s own “analytical conclusions” and “analytical judgments.”
  • The Primary Sub-source explained to the FBI that his information came from “word of mouth and hearsay” and “conversation that [he] had with friends over beers”, and that some of the information, such as allegations about Trump’s sexual activities, were statements made in “jest.
The FBI told Congress that the Primary Sub-source “maintains trusted relationships with individuals who are capable of reporting on the material he collected for Steele.”
  • However, the FBI interviews with the Primary Sub-source revealed that there were many degrees of separation between the Primary Sub-source’s contacts and the persons quoted in the reporting and that it could have been multiple layers of hearsay upon hearsay.
  • For example, the Primary Sub-source stated to the FBI his contacts did not have direct access to the persons they were reporting on. Instead, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that the information was “from someone else who may have had access.”
Today’s release is another milestone in the Senate Judiciary Committee’s ongoing investigation into Crossfire Hurricane and related FISA abuses.
This declassified document and other related material may be accessed at the following link: judiciary.senate.gov/fisa-investigation.
 
seminole97 said:
You were deliberately duped.
Have you still not caught on to that fact?

Newly Declassified Document Indicates FBI Misled Congress on Reliability of Steele Dossier​


WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today released a newly declassified FBI document that indicates the Bureau misled the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018 about the Steele dossier’s Primary Sub-source and, therefore, the reliability of the Steele dossier.
“This document clearly shows that the FBI was continuing to mislead regarding the reliability of the Steele dossier. The FBI did to the Senate Intelligence Committee what the Department of Justice and FBI had previously done to the FISA Court: mischaracterize, mislead and lie. The characterizations regarding the dossier were completely out of touch with reality in terms of what the Russian sub-source actually said to the FBI.
“What does this mean? That Congress as well as the FISA Court was lied to about the reliability of the Russian sub-source. I will be asking FBI Director Wray to provide me all the details possible about how the briefing was arranged and who provided it.
“Inspector General Horowitz’s team found this briefing document. Inspector General Horowitz and his team deserve great credit for uncovering systematic fraud at Department of Justice surrounding the Carter Page FISA warrant. I’m also very appreciative of the Department of Justice’s release of the FBI document used to brief the Senate Intelligence Committee.”
The document includes talking points from the FBI’s briefing of the Senate Intelligence Committee in February 2018 and details the FBI’s assessment of the primary source of the information contained in the Steele dossier. This FBI briefing to Members of Congress occurred after the FBI had learned that the Steele dossier was unreliable in 2017. [Document]
Among the most misleading statements from the FBI:
The FBI told Congress that the Primary Sub-source “did not cite any significant concerns with the way his reporting was characterized in the dossier to the extent he could identify it.”
  • However, documents previously declassified by the Senate Judiciary Committee revealed the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that he “has no idea” where some of the language attributed to him came from or that his contacts “never mentioned” some of the information attributed to them.
  • The Primary Sub-source told the FBI he “did not know the origins” of other information that was supposedly from his contacts and he “did not recall” other information attributed to him or his contacts.
  • Further, the Primary Sub-source said that Steele used “incorrect source characterization” for one of the Primary Sub-source’s contacts.
The FBI told Congress that “At minimum, our discussions with [the Primary Sub-source] confirm that the dossier was not fabricated by Steele.”
  • However, as Inspector General Horowitz’s December 2019 report on Crossfire Hurricane revealed, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that the corroboration for the dossier was “zero” and that he takes what the sources for the dossier told him with “a grain of salt.”
  • Moreover, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that Steele presented some of the information in the dossier as fact reported by sub-sources when the information was really just Steele’s own “analytical conclusions” and “analytical judgments.”
  • The Primary Sub-source explained to the FBI that his information came from “word of mouth and hearsay” and “conversation that [he] had with friends over beers”, and that some of the information, such as allegations about Trump’s sexual activities, were statements made in “jest.
The FBI told Congress that the Primary Sub-source “maintains trusted relationships with individuals who are capable of reporting on the material he collected for Steele.”
  • However, the FBI interviews with the Primary Sub-source revealed that there were many degrees of separation between the Primary Sub-source’s contacts and the persons quoted in the reporting and that it could have been multiple layers of hearsay upon hearsay.
  • For example, the Primary Sub-source stated to the FBI his contacts did not have direct access to the persons they were reporting on. Instead, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that the information was “from someone else who may have had access.”
Today’s release is another milestone in the Senate Judiciary Committee’s ongoing investigation into Crossfire Hurricane and related FISA abuses.
This declassified document and other related material may be accessed at the following link: judiciary.senate.gov/fisa-investigation.
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The dossier didn't agree to meet with a Russian operative in hopes of getting dirt on Clinton, dupe. The dossier didn't meet with a Russian intelligence asset and hand over proprietary polling data used to create targeted advertising while Putin was running a disinformation AD CAMPAIGN designed to aid that same campaign, That was - say it with me - the Trump campaign that did that.

I know you have to kiss Trump's ass to feel good about yourself but saying that isn't collusion is simply lying out of your own ass. I can provide the definition on request...dupe.
 
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AreWeCross said:
If someone has an existing bias, then they are easily deceived. Some people with an existing bias might even say it's not hard to determine what is disinformation vs what is not disinformation. They have probably convinced themselves that they have the ability to discern BS where others lack that ability.
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Ok propagandist. Lol
 
tarheelbybirth said:
The dossier didn't agree to meet with a Russian operative in hopes of getting dirt on Clinton
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You’re right. It was false creation of her campaign, that they tried to feed to the FBI through multiple avenues in a bid to create an investigation on Trump they could point to in order distract from her FBI investigation.


tarheelbybirth said:
The dossier didn't meet with a Russian intelligence asset and hand over proprietary polling data used to create targeted advertising while Putin was running a disinformation AD CAMPAIGN designed to aid that same campaign,
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This is my favorite meme from the 2016 election, that Putin’s FSB are actually such propaganda masters that while they need to scrub candidates from the ballot in their own country, they need to spend just 0.05 percent as much on Facebook ads as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s campaigns.

Imagine what they could make as campaign consultants with that kind of efficacy!

Behold:

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seminole97 said:
You’re right. It was false creation of her campaign, that they tried to feed to the FBI through multiple avenues in a bid to create an investigation on Trump they could point to in order distract from her FBI investigation.




This is my favorite meme from the 2016 election, that Putin’s FSB are actually such propaganda masters that while they need to scrub candidates from the ballot in their own country, they need to spend just 0.05 percent as much on Facebook ads as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s campaigns.

Imagine what they could make as campaign consultants with that kind of efficacy!

Behold:

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Oh look...the Trump apologist making more excuses. With pretty pictures, to boot. Of course, he ignores the facts with his BS but that was fully expected.
 
tarheelbybirth said:
The dossier didn't agree to meet with a Russian operative in hopes of getting dirt on Clinton, dupe. The dossier didn't meet with a Russian intelligence asset and hand over proprietary polling data used to create targeted advertising while Putin was running a disinformation AD CAMPAIGN designed to aid that same campaign, That was - say it with me - the Trump campaign that did that.

I know you have to kiss Trump's ass to feel good about yourself but saying that isn't collusion is simply lying out of your own ass. I can provide the definition on request...dupe.
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The information from the dossier came from the Russians.
 
You guys forget quite a bit of facts that came out

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ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A Russian-born analyst who provided the bulk of the information for a flawed dossier about former President Donald Trump told an FBI agent he was shocked and dismayed that the speculative information he provided was portrayed as fact, an agent testified Thursday.
 
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ihhawk said:
You guys forget quite a bit of facts that came out

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ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A Russian-born analyst who provided the bulk of the information for a flawed dossier about former President Donald Trump told an FBI agent he was shocked and dismayed that the speculative information he provided was portrayed as fact, an agent testified Thursday.
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I'm sure that's exactly what the Russian agent recently arrested is saying...I bet he's shocked, shocked I tell you

Face it, the GOP is actively working with the Russians
 
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fsu1jreed said:
I'm sure that's exactly what the Russian agent recently arrested is saying...I bet he's shocked, shocked I tell you

Face it, the GOP is actively working with the Russians
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The ole Russian boogeyman from the left.

It’s just odd that Trump didn’t allow the pipeline to finish and Biden let it finish. Putin waited for Biden to get in office to invade Ukraine.
 
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lucas80 said:
Putin 101.
apnews.com

Russian disinformation is about immigration. The real aim is to undercut Ukraine aid

Russian state media and online accounts tied to the Kremlin have begun pushing misleading and incendiary claims about U.S. immigration.
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The AP?

LOL!

www.foxnews.com

AP report on Laken Riley murder omits suspect's immigration status, focuses on dangers of women jogging alone

The Associated Press did not reference how Jose Antonio Ibarra, the suspect behind Laken Riley's murder, was an illegal immigrant and previously arrested.
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